List Mgmt. Brady Rawlings | Head of Football Talent (Recruitment, LM & TPP)

[The acurate one]

Wait a minute, do you mean to say that the club that holds the 1st selection won’t immediately fall to their knees and beg a club to hand over a glut of second and third rounders in exchange?

I’m speechless.

I am without speech.

Lucky that you can still type

 

[King Corey]

Quite literally every single club in the Afl does use it KC. Every club. 2016 called, they want their trading rules back

Give me an example mate.

Other than sliding out of a draft to avoid a bid wiping out your draft hand OR trying to exploit another club's vulnerability to a bid - explain when a club would give a hoot about points rather than the actual draft position of a selection?

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

Rawling and pick 1 for three first rounders.

Add a PP and we have 4 first rounders.

This is why I need to be in charge of the club from now on.

 

[the flying ham]

Give me an example mate.

Other than sliding out of a draft to avoid a bid wiping out your draft hand OR trying to exploit another club's vulnerability to a bid - explain when a club would give a hoot about points rather than the actual draft position of a selection?

You mean aside from GRs post that shows how clubs using the value of points to trade to what they deem their players value? Or clubs with strong hands in the 2nd or 3rd round using them to climb up the draft order so clubs with NGA and FS can slide back? I mean it literally plays a hand in every single trade mate. It's how the industry works now.

 

[King Corey]

You mean aside from GRs post that shows how clubs using the value of points to trade to what they deem their players value? Or clubs with strong hands in the 2nd or 3rd round using them to climb up the draft order so clubs with NGA and FS can slide back? I mean it literally plays a hand in every single trade mate. It's how the industry works now

You've restated every use I already mentioned of them.

Ultimately points are an abstraction of a draft pick. And the position of the draft pick is the ultimate determinant of its value.

So you could 4000 points in a draft by holding every post #20 selection but unless you were using that as leverage in further transactions you'd be better off holding 2000 in points but having them in the form of 2x 1st round picks.

 

[the flying ham]

You've restated every use I already mentioned of them.

Ultimately points are an abstraction of a draft pick. And the position of the draft pick is the ultimate determinant of its value.

So you could 4000 points in a draft by holding every post #20 selection but unless you were using that as leverage in further transactions you'd be better off holding 2000 in points but having them in the form of 2x 1st round picks.

Thanks for eloquently illustrating how the industry works mate. Clubs then use those points to work with other clubs to net picks, players, future picks. I mean you are arguing that it's arbitrary when quite clearly clubs use the PVI as a marker in literally every move made.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

Ah yes, I shoulda known that my comment around CCJ wouldn’t have gotten off without a rant from you.

Both Brady and Luff were interviewed prior to the trade happening on trade radio. Both were asked about the future second round pick. Both said they didn’t see that as his value. Luff even used the Nankervis trade as a comparison.

It is why I was so confident that we wouldn’t bend over like we did, and “repeated in multiple threads across two clubs”. I do find it comical that even 12 months later you are still carrying on about my posting regarding this trade. I don’t understand why you harbour such frustration about it. You think it was a good trade, I didn’t before the trade, after the trade and I still don’t now.

Yep, the CCJ trade was a diabolical decision.

End of story.

 

[King Corey]

Thanks for eloquently illustrating how the industry works mate. Clubs then use those points to work with other clubs to net picks, players, future picks. I mean you are arguing that it's arbitrary when quite clearly clubs use the PVI as a marker in literally every move made.

Let's move on FH.

I never said the points aren't used for anything, the argument was that the premise of collecting points without a secondary plan is a mugs game.

 

[The acurate one]

Wonders to himself

( how many points is our squad worth- compared to how many quality footballers we have)

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

Wonders to himself

( how many points is our squad worth- compared to how many quality footballers we have)

I actually have no idea how we even reach the salary cap floor considering the quality of our list.

We must be overpaying a sh*tload of footballers.

 

[Devington]

Thanks for eloquently illustrating how the industry works mate. Clubs then use those points to work with other clubs to net picks, players, future picks. I mean you are arguing that it's arbitrary when quite clearly clubs use the PVI as a marker in literally every move made.

A marker, but not the only one. Boiling it down I think this is the crux of the disagreement.

 

[the flying ham]

A marker, but not the only one. Boiling it down I think this is the crux of the disagreement

Of course it's not the only one Dev, but it is how business is done

 

[The acurate one]

Yep, the CCJ trade was a diabolical decision.

End of story.

Probably will look a master stroke after we receive our PP's. al Clarko would have waltzed into AFL HQ and said, look we're all kinds of farked and have only one draft pick.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

Let's move on FH.

I never said the points aren't used for anything, the argument was that the premise of collecting points without a secondary plan is a mugs game.

No keep it going KC.

I like to repeat myself 1 million times and I think you and Ham should too.

 

[The acurate one]

No keep it going KC.

I like to repeat myself 1 million times and I think you and Ham should too.

yes you do and not once have I seen where someone has changed their mind after reading your 1,000,000 thought on say Xerri or CCJ.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

yes you do and not once have I seen where someone has changed their mind after reading your 1,000,000 thought on say Xerri or CCJ.

Have I mentioned them before have I?

I think I have more left in the tank regarding those two ; )

 

[hurricane]

I wish people would stop arguing the ‘value’ of draft picks based on their arbitrarily assigned value.

Their ‘value’ extends to F/S and Academy bids. And that’s the end of it.

You bring this up a lot, but the points are not totally arbitrary.

The values were assigned based on the total historic salaries commanded by players taken at each pick (from memory but I did chase this up at one point because I thought it was based on games played) Far from perfect but it is some indication of the value likely to be provided at each pick tied to some real world data.

So, given that anyone’s valuation of anything is arbitrary, I’d argue that these provide a better guide to relative pick worth than anything else I’ve seen.

(Just to try and get ahead of this argument being brought up ad nauseum during trade eon)

 

[bennymate]

Quick schnoz! Steal Viney's notes!!

 

[tazaa]

Positions untenable for mine.
What a disastrous tenure. Disastrous.
DarwinRoo I agree with you on this bloke. He’s a joke and a fraud and we should f*** him off ASAP.

 

[Mr north man]

Positions untenable for mine.
What a disastrous tenure. Disastrous.
DarwinRoo I agree with you on this bloke. He’s a joke and a fraud and we should f*** him off ASAP.

Tazza and DarwinRoo are right he needs to go but to after the Draft to do it.

 

[Clarke is King]

Having this bloke trying to sell our clubs mess as somewhere to be to potential trade targets makes me very nervous.

 

[koshari]

Having this bloke trying to sell our clubs mess as somewhere to be to potential trade targets makes me very nervous.

absolute minimum is he gets the OK from Viney for any deal.

 

[the flying ham]

Having this bloke trying to sell our clubs mess as somewhere to be to potential trade targets makes me very nervous.

In spite of said mess, he appears to have gotten Griffin logue and Darcy tucker over the line. Not all good, not all bad either. Viney will play a big part in who we target, viney has always been big on recruiting competitive animals.

 

[year of the roo]

Tazza and DarwinRoo are right he needs to go but to after the Draft to do it.

Sorry, why are we waiting?

 

[roos_fanatic08]

This next few weeks will determine if he is worth anything at all. If we end up with a couple of mid first rounders for JHF, then I’d be marching Rawlings out the door with him.