List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA Pt2: Electric Boogaloo

[Stinky Lomax]

Would be a bit weird for him to be out with the Freo boys last night if that was the case. He's joining Freo unfortunately or fortunately depending on which side of the fence you sit on.

Who was he out with?

 

[s_wd6]

Who was he out with?

 

[Taylor]

Preseason training started early

 

[Square Peg]

I think the size of Geelong's midfield thing is important but maybe a tad overblown. Sydney's hands were awful. Serong would have less fumbles putting his head over the ball in a season than Mills and Parker had in one game. Fumbling invites pressure, clean hands are still the most important thing for clearances

 

[guidodp15]

Sharp is apparently joining Freo, Jackson trade will be official early in the trade period. The only reason it won’t go through on the first two days of trade period is so trade period shows can talk about something

I don’t think trades are held back like that.
Trades get done when teams come to an agreement if anything it gets done early so other dominos fall


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[maccamk]

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Is the other guy sharpe? Hidden until he requests a trade?


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[Van_Dyke]

Home – Triple M

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that's possibly the worst article i've seen in my life. jay clark's done a spot on triple M Adelaide, looking for talking points, sees that Port has a pick in top 10 and tried to connect it to Jackson's trade with no other context. he's usually shit but that's next level

 

[guidodp15]

Is the other guy sharpe? Hidden until he requests a trade?


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Probably a random chick


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[Snuffaluphagus]

I don’t think trades are held back like that.
Trades get done when teams come to an agreement if anything it gets done early so other dominos fall


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It’s been admitted they get held back for a bit of the show. All the clubs would be aware the trade has been done all but officially.

Anywho, trade will be officially done early in trade week, both teams have incentive to get it done and there’s only so much wiggle room on the whole two firsts thing anyway

 

[dominguez]

There may be some journalists who get trade prices correct close to the deal being made (usually because they have contacts) but Whately was literally spitballing when he said that much like he was this week with Dunkley and was completely wrong.

"The media" is literally hundreds or thousands of people, no way you can cherry pick something one of them said and make a trend from that, especially when its been shown he's been wrong literally in the last week.

Some of the journos carry more weight than others, Whately has won the media award 6 or 7 years in a row. The West the next day were running with Freo trading 6 and 8 for Lachie Neale. When all the media are on the same page the fans accept that trade value and at the end of trade week it's all about the winners and losers of trade week. it takes years to judge who are the real winners and losers but that PR is important for clubs.

As soon as the media started running with the pick for Cerra and pick 8 for Lachie the trade fell over because Freo couldn't pay that price and it would be bad PR for Brissie to trade their best player for unders while halfway through a contract.

Dunkley is out of contract? If so it's a totally different kettle of fish, a deal will be done.

 

[dominguez]

Danger was a bargain, 9 + 29 + Gore (potato). We'll pay more for Jackson.


That's not vent worthy. There is a very real chance we miss the 8 given the squad depth we are losing, Lobb's goals we are losing and the likelihood we won't get a god like injury run two years in a row.

Danger was a restricted free agent from memory though?

 

[dominguez]

It was great, but I’ll continue to not understand the rules when Hawkins is involved.
Deadset can just shove his opponent out of the way in a ruck contest.
Darcy gets frees against.
Never understood the difference.

I agree and Darcy looks baffled at times when the free is paid against him.

 

[Bastyy]

Sharp is apparently joining Freo, Jackson trade will be official early in the trade period. The only reason it won’t go through on the first two days of trade period is so trade period shows can talk about something

I think he might go early given the trade shows will still be able to talk about the Rankine/Dunkley/Taranto/Hopper deals among all the other trades

 

[Dockeroo]

I think he might go early given the trade shows will still be able to talk about the Rankine/Dunkley/Taranto/Hopper deals among all the other trades

Hopefully Snuffaluphagus is correct, the earlier in trade week the Jackson deal gets done the better from our POV. We want it sorted before any other trade capital from players like Lobb or Logue appear in our draft capital ledger.
I can’t see how our F1 is not involved but if it isn’t, it will be great for us.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

Yeah but that's not what I'm saying, our two first round picks are sufficient if not overs with us half a chance to slide a bit next year.

When you have sufficient capital for a trade, you dont need to force something for an uncontracted player because that's what the other team wants.

If Melbourne want a top 10 pick so badly, they are welcome to use the ample currency of two first round picks around 13 to achieve it

OK. Fair enough.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

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2 jugs?

 

[theGav56]

I think we are at worst one midfielder off that level tbh.

First rotation:
Darcy, Brayshaw, Serong, Fyfe
Second rotation
Jackson, Brodie, Aish, ???

I certainly don’t think Atkins and Z.Guthrie are anything better than adequate tbh. Take Geelong’s first rotation out and replace them with similar level players to Atkins and Z.Guthrie and it’s a terrible midfield tbh.

Re Zac Guthrie, he doesn't play midfield. He's pretty much locked into their defence and he does just fine.

One of our list mistakes is plowing big draft capital, which will be followed by salaries, into the hbf.

None of Zuthrie, Koladjasni or Bews are better than B graders.

 

[Ge3ks]

This picture cracks me up.

 

[FreoRicci]

I think the size of Geelong's midfield thing is important but maybe a tad overblown. Sydney's hands were awful. Serong would have less fumbles putting his head over the ball in a season than Mills and Parker had in one game. Fumbling invites pressure, clean hands are still the most important thing for clearances

100%. The midfield mix was constantly putting themselves under pressure. They'd lookedto be off and away before the last link in the chain fumbled or overran the ball. Unsure why players like Heeney, Fox didn't get inside.
Watching Papley was like watching Ballas on those days he slips over everything

 

[dominguez]

We just simply shouldn't trade Lobb, Tucker or Meek. I can't see what we get out of trading contracted players unless we get over the top offers.

We all talk about the mistake of trading for Hogan (and I know you were way ahead of he curve on that). But the other big mistake that gets overlooked was trading out Neale when we didn't have too.

Tucker is fringe top 30 on our list so a fresh start makes sense.

We'll get a fair deal for Lobb and Meek or they'll stay hopefully. Suggestions of a pick in the mid 40's for Meek makes no sense.

The deal for Hogan the footballer was fair, the deal for Hogan the person was a disaster. Jesse just didn't hold up his end of the deal. Couldn't cope with the scrutiny in WA. He's been pretty good for GWS.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Meek is a gun and contracted we’re not giving him up for peanuts.

 

[Purpletown]

Do we know 100% that LJ will nominate freo? Seen some talk over twitter that he's nominating wce.

If it's on twitter it's bound to be true (10% of the time)

 

[Joao]

Some of the journos carry more weight than others, Whately has won the media award 6 or 7 years in a row. The West the next day were running with Freo trading 6 and 8 for Lachie Neale. When all the media are on the same page the fans accept that trade value and at the end of trade week it's all about the winners and losers of trade week. it takes years to judge who are the real winners and losers but that PR is important for clubs.

As soon as the media started running with the pick for Cerra and pick 8 for Lachie the trade fell over because Freo couldn't pay that price and it would be bad PR for Brissie to trade their best player for unders while halfway through a contract.

Dunkley is out of contract? If so it's a totally different kettle of fish, a deal will be done.

I mean, aside from the fact you can in no way prove what you are saying, it is asinine and I don't believe it. People at the top of professional organisations aren't stupid. They can be corrupt as **** but they aren't stupid. No way we backed out because of Whately. If we did the whole recruiting team should be sacked on the spot and laughed at.

The reason I brought up Dunkley is because you are using Whately as some yardstick as if his opinion carries weight. What his Dunkley rhetoric tells you is that he doesn't have a ****ing clue. He literally couldn't be bothered doing the base research on contract status and yet you want me to believe that clubs base their trading decisions (and hence stake their jobs and livelihoods) on that? It's beyond ridiculous.

 

[eastfreo75]

Meek is a gun and contracted we’re not giving him up for peanuts.

That’s what people don’t get.

The trade must be useful to Fremantle.

 

[freo1997]

That’s what people don’t get.

The trade must be useful to Fremantle.Ll

Second rounder please!