List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA Pt2: Electric Boogaloo
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Yep. We've shown we can stick to our guns with clubs. Now it is time to leave players and their managers in no doubt.
If you think I’m going to spend the next 2 weeks listening to hours and hours of ads on repeat, recycled conversations about possible trades, list analysis from experts like Matt Rendell and Cam Luke, all the while erratically shouting at the unfairness of the trade value Damian Barrett and Kane Cornes place on some of our freo players….
You’d be 100% right!
Starts tomorrow at 7am
The Late Trade with Barrett, Silvagni and Rendell promises to be absolute dog shit.
You're ruining rhe story. Still dead to me. I want to know why big Darcy and new boy Luke are fraternising with an oppo player.
Every off season during our rebuild we seem to lose best 22 players for money. This trade season hasn't begun and we have them walking out the door.
I am comfortable when players are contracted, and even then the comfort is knowing we can work a trade to our advantage or no deal.
Man I wish it was cool to wear Nike jumpers out clubbing when I was 18… wrong generation..
Would have been a ton cheaper.
Although I’ve noticed Targè now stocks mossimo
I swear the Zoomers are copying the fashion I wore in the 90s. I’m just happy skinny jeans are out.
If you think I’m going to spend the next 2 weeks listening to hours and hours of ads on repeat, recycled conversations about possible trades, list analysis from experts like Matt Rendell and Cam Luke, all the while erratically shouting at the unfairness of the trade value Damian Barrett and Kane Cornes place on some of our freo players….
You’d be 100% right!
Starts tomorrow at 7am
Jesus Christ , that looks like the 7 circles of hell
Good luck too you brave travellers
I just think that the last few weeks has proven that to win the big high stakes finals it’s the mature elite talent that’s key. Elite talent still in development (e.g. most of ours) can go some way to success during the H&A season but when the whips are cracking in finals it’s the mature 100 game plus players that are leading their teams to victory. We have seen it over and over again in this finals series.
Andy is now a bonafide elite mid, with 100 games to his name, an AA and a 4th place in the Brownlow.
We clearly have Fyfe at the elite level if he’s fit, that being the major caveat.
Caleb is fast improving but still 2 years behind andy, has only played 58 games and is likely to be better next year again but it could be 2024 before he’s at AA level. He will have 100 games played by the 2024 finals series and probably only then I think we can expect peak Serong to be contributing to a dockers finals series.
Hayden young has rapidly improved this season but still is probably only 60% of the way to his peak and has only played 35 games or so yet. In development terms he’s a year behind Caleb.
Sean Darcy will be over 100 games by next years finals series too, and I’d hope will become a very reliable player from next year onwards. He’s not quite there yet i don’t think.
Ryan and Pearce are in the sweet spot over the next 3-5 years despite Alex lack of games so far. Ryan is already on 109 games so provided he stays fit and in form he should be a very reliable part of the defence in every final we play for the next 5 years.
Watching the cats yesterday, Chris scott could relax, he trusted everyone. People like Zach Tuohy, such an underrated player. Barely ever makes an error, a set-and-forget player for Chris Scott. He’s got several of them all over the park.
Even some of our good players like Switta, still only on 46 games. There still doubt about a player like that when he hasn’t consistently done it at the top level, though injuries I know, but it doesn’t change the point.
It’s handy that Jackson has already played 52 games. We can bring him close to 100 games by the time the 2024 finals series is here and it’s another elite 100 game player on the field for us from then on hopefully.
Amiss is the wildcard, he could be anything. Probably unrealistic to expect him to be elite from 10 games into his career like Matthew Pavlich, but boy wouldn’t it help us a lot..
Man I wish it was cool to wear Nike jumpers out clubbing when I was 18… wrong generation..
Would have been a ton cheaper.
Although I’ve noticed Targè now stocks mossimo
Mossimo's a bit 90's. Do they have Tarocash and 26Red too? Cross colours? Hypercolour t-shirts?
Still can’t believe that clubs employed Silvagni and Rendell to recruit and trade players.
Total muppets.
Rendell was brilliant at the crows.
In one year he transformed there forward line by finding Lynch and Jenkins.
There was an article during week where Rendell finally admitted that made an error by picking both scharenberg and Freeman before Patty Cripps. Apparently Cripps was no good at the beep test but surely you pull the trigger with your second one.
As for SOS there were a number of errors. His biggest claim to fame would be getting Martin as PSD pick and that is saying something.
Had Rendell not opened his mouth about his "drafting approach" he may still have been regarded as one of the most successful recruiters (in terms of finding draftees that were successful) along with Stephen Wells.
I sometimes wonder if other recruiters would (maybe unconsciously) agree with him (still) about what he said, just not be moved to actually say it? I also wonder whether the statistics generally back up what he said, and whether similarly a machine learning recruiting assistance system would similarly land at the roughly the same conclusion?
Recruitment is a place fraught with modern world pitfalls and I suspect the more post-analysis of decision making that gets done, the more socioeconomic and racial bias (whether conscious or not) will be used to hang recruiters of all clubs. Of course, the draft by its nature certainly favors particular types of people and discourages the recruitment of others and is discriminatory by definition (Was it not the Geelong leadership that said they needed to favor performance over potential, and "culture" over both?) - it is only in conjunction with the improvement in player support mechanisms that will overcome such hurdles for some groups of individuals, but this may only move the recruitment to the biasing of different players and cannot remove the existence of bias.
I sometimes wonder if other recruiters would (maybe unconsciously) agree with him (still) about what he said, just not be moved to actually say it? I also wonder whether the statistics generally back up what he said, and whether similarly a machine learning recruiting assistance system would similarly land at the roughly the same conclusion?
Recruitment is a place fraught with modern world pitfalls and I suspect the more post-analysis of decision making that gets done, the more socioeconomic and racial bias (whether conscious or not) will be used to hang recruiters of all clubs. Of course, the draft by its nature certainly favors particular types of people and discourages the recruitment of others and is discriminatory by definition (Was it not the Geelong leadership that said they needed to favor performance over potential, and "culture" over both?) - it is only in conjunction with the improvement in player support mechanisms that will overcome such hurdles for some groups of individuals, but this may only move the recruitment to the biasing of different players and cannot remove the existence of bias.
Was Rendell that good?
If you throw enough darts you will always get some right.
He got Dangerfield in 2007 was it - he was a 17 year old at that point I think? Didn’t he jump a year ahead to grab an elite talent, would be like us taking Harley Reid with pick 13 this year then letting him finish school in Vic.
He was there for that (he was there from 2014-2019 I believe). I think the criticism is not related to the early successful picks but to the poorness of the latter ones and the early round "busts" (Sam Petrevski Seton, Lochie O'Brien, Paddy Dow, Liam Stocker) as well.
For all his dicking about in 2019 draft, bidding on Henry at 9, then sliding back 5 or 6 spots in the draft and getting an extra pick inside 20, he ended up with kemp and philp (who was a total bolter that would have lasted a lot longer than 20).
Two underwhelming choices.
Meanwhile sam DeKoning was left sitting there till 19 and the bloody cats got him.
I wouldn’t mind but his brother Tom was already a blue.
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Ooh I don't think so. There's clearly another path to overcome hurdles in the minds of some, quotas. I can confidently predict in the next couple of years there will be calls at high levels for racial/cultural quotas for AFL lists to increase diversity and overcome structural racism. The Hawthorn business may hasten it. Increased support mechanisms aren't enough for some, I am certain it won't be long before every club will be obliged to have a certain number of players from both ATSI and ethnic minority backgrounds on lists
Reputation was generally with picking tall key position players with some very difficult picks - see below:
- Jack Gunston (Pick 29)
- Kurt Tippett (Pick 32)
- Taylor Walker (Pick 75)
- Ben Rutten (Rookie Draft Pick 40)
- Rory Sloane (Pick 44)
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I'm deeply offended by the concept of quotas, even though my babies will benefit from it. I want my son to be drafted to the AFL because he is the best player at that pick, but if there is a quota system he will forever be considered to have been chosen above a better player for his racial identity. He is Matthew, a kind hearted cheeky, funny little man. I don't want people seeing anything else of him first.
Support systems aren't equal across Australia. That's a fact. That's why almost all the players drafted are private school boys.
Support systems aren't equal across Australia. That's a fact. That's why almost all the players drafted are private school boys.
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I agree with you but I am pretty confident it's coming regardless of what you and I think
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