Opinion Non-Crows AFL 6: This Is Getting Cruel

[FR0GGY]

FR0GGY , you heard the man

I’ll get my PA on it

 

[Truck25]

I think we need to allow the draft be what it is supposed to be, an equalisation measure.

Year after year, we are seeing more and more compromises to it with NGA, FS, compo picks.

No more FS, no more compo, no more NGA or whatever else you want to call it.

The worst team gets pick 1, the best team gets pick 18.

If you want to make a big change to trades like we have done this year, it should be advertised 3 years out so that teams can align for it, not dropping it a week before trade period.

But then, as we saw with the sub rule, the AFL is so reactionary it's never going to be well planned and equal for all.

I disagree, I think it needs to go down the path of every team has a local academy, for all talent in their allocated zones like the northern teams have. work out the zones so all have an equal population, father/sons have the option to join the academy team outside the zone. Then each team runs and U18 team in a national comp (AFL have plenty of $$'s to do this). then at the end of the year you still have the draft and points system, where if you want somebody else's player you pay up for it with the home team getting the discount.

 

[chrisso crow]

Equalization is broken

Was it ever working?

 

[Crowked]

I think we need to allow the draft be what it is supposed to be, an equalisation measure.

Year after year, we are seeing more and more compromises to it with NGA, FS, compo picks.

No more FS, no more compo, no more NGA or whatever else you want to call it.

The worst team gets pick 1, the best team gets pick 18.

If you want to make a big change to trades like we have done this year, it should be advertised 3 years out so that teams can align for it, not dropping it a week before trade period.

But then, as we saw with the sub rule, the AFL is so reactionary it's never going to be well planned and equal for all.

How are they going to know what Geelong need 3 years out?

 

[ContrarianCrow]

7. Scrap father/son and academies.

This would be the most self-defeating bullshit ever for us to support scrapping the F/S rule now as we're right on the cusp of having a potential top-10 F/S (Tyler Welsh in 2024). The Vic clubs have already benefited from the rule, why would we want it scrapped now when the interstate teams are catching up? Make no mistake, the majority of the hand-wringing over this is because it's an interstate club currently benefitting.

 

[jo172]

This would be the most self-defeating bullshit ever for us to support scrapping the F/S rule now as we're right on the cusp of having a potential top-10 F/S (Tyler Welsh in 2024). The Vic clubs have already benefited from the rule, why would we want it scrapped now when the interstate teams are catching up? Make no mistake, the majority of the hand-wringing over this is because it's an interstate club currently benefitting.

Perpetuating something that ostensibly hinders the system on the basis of perceived short-term benefit strikes me as something with a significant risk of backfiring.

 

[Fivel_79]

Equalization is broken

The AFL is not and has never been about true equalisation, it’s about the perception of fairness and equalisation while picking and choosing when to be “more equal” to the league have-nots while a chosen few clubs have everyone else over a barrel.

 

[Scorpus]

Easiest way to fix equalization:

• Public player salaries
• No priority draft access or discounts for any player
• No priority picks
• No free agent compensation
• No salary cap floor but retain ability to bank unused cap
• Ability to trade contracted players without consent. Players earn the right to move to their club of choice as a free agent or uncontracted player
• 3 or 4 year contracts for first round draft picks

Everyone floats these ideas all the time and they're all great ideas. AFL is badly run

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Not to mention the fact he was on the panel interviewing prospective CEOs before deciding he'd like the job for himself.

Must be a nice way to get a high powered role - get all the answers first, then take the test.

The Grant Thomas approach...

 

[George Kramer]

Easiest way to fix equalization:

• Public player salaries
• No priority draft access or discounts for any player
• No priority picks
• No free agent compensation
• No salary cap floor but retain ability to bank unused cap
• Ability to trade contracted players without consent. Players earn the right to move to their club of choice as a free agent or uncontracted player
• 3 or 4 year contracts for first round draft picks

Everyone floats these ideas all the time and they're all great ideas. AFL is badly run

How is no free agent compensation going to help teams if the weaker teams dont get compensated for losing free agents? It will just make them weaker. As will removing priority picks for shit teams.

 

[feenix67]

The draft has never been an equalisation mechanism, despite how they like to dress it up. The only real equalisation measure is the salary cap (and then only if strictly policed).

I think utilising the points system would be a far better way of running the draft. Teams get a points allocation on a sliding scale based on their position on the ladder. Picks in the draft have a points value. When that pick comes up on draft night, clubs bid for the pick (blind auction) with points. Ladder position is the tiebreaker.

No NGA, no F/S, no points trading. Trading without consent allowed.

 

[Scorpus]

How is no free agent compensation going to help teams if the weaker teams dont get compensated for losing free agents? It will just make them weaker. As will removing priority picks for s**t teams.

Weaker teams losing free agents get salary cap space. The compensation picks are being exploited and they dilute the draft.

The issue is currently weaker teams can't make use of salary cap space because they have to overpay their list to meet the cap floor

 

[daniel_4tw]

Father Son has to go. We let good teams draft good players before their pick why? For romance? Give me a break.

If a club wants the romance of drafting a past players son, there is nothing stopping them going out and trading for an early draft pick to draft them.

This whole ‘first right’, discount bullshit has to stop.

Three years in a row the best player isn’t going to the team with the number 1 draft pick. What’s the point?

 

[chazwazza]

I remember that there was a bit of a conspiracy theory suggesting that Joe pulled rank and insisted Melbourne would not select Ezra Poyas as he was Jewish and Joe would feel bad about forcing him to play on Sabbath.

a) Ezra was never in danger of playing.
b) Brad Green did ok.

Unless he was a fundamentalist I doubt that would be true, in the time of Gutnik at Melbourne there was David Schwarz and David Neitz both playing who I believe are both Jewish background.

 

[Maddogmetro]

Easiest way to fix equalization:

• Public player salaries
• No priority draft access or discounts for any player
• No priority picks
• No free agent compensation
• No salary cap floor but retain ability to bank unused cap
• Ability to trade contracted players without consent. Players earn the right to move to their club of choice as a free agent or uncontracted player
• 3 or 4 year contracts for first round draft picks

Everyone floats these ideas all the time and they're all great ideas. AFL is badly run

I would add no trade required for uncontracted players - they can just go where they want. Trading happens only for contracted players.

Edit: Upon further reading, that may have been what you meant by 'Players earn the right to move to their club of choice as a free agent or uncontracted player.'

 

[Crow till I die]

Oh FFS, Ratugolea wants to get to Port being reported..much rather Rioli and graham when they were being discussed. Ratugolea actually helps their area of weakness in defense

 

[Dirty Bird]

How is no free agent compensation going to help teams if the weaker teams dont get compensated for losing free agents? It will just make them weaker. As will removing priority picks for s**t teams.

Or take the NFL model.
No compensation picks until after the 3rd round.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Easiest way to fix equalization:

• Public player salaries
• No priority draft access or discounts for any player
• No priority picks
• No free agent compensation
• No salary cap floor but retain ability to bank unused cap
• Ability to trade contracted players without consent. Players earn the right to move to their club of choice as a free agent or uncontracted player
• 3 or 4 year contracts for first round draft picks

Everyone floats these ideas all the time and they're all great ideas. AFL is badly run

Can I add a point?

- Close whatever loop hole is allowing the paper bags over at Geelong right now.

 

[GameofSloanes]

Father Son has to go. We let good teams draft good players before their pick why? For romance? Give me a break.

If a club wants the romance of drafting a past players son, there is nothing stopping them going out and trading for an early draft pick to draft them.

This whole ‘first right’, discount bullshit has to stop.

Three years in a row the best player isn’t going to the team with the number 1 draft pick. What’s the point?

Agree with this, the number one change that needs to happen is removing priority access. If you want a father son, trade for the picks to get them.

 

[rabidcrow]

Agree with this, the number one change that needs to happen is removing priority access. If you want a father son, trade for the picks to get them.

Father son should stay. But NGA should go , priority picks should be limited to a couple of players out side the system (like mid season draft). Salaries should be public


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[Crow till I die]

 

[Dudersaurus]

Slight motivation (club) and quality (player) difference.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Is he having a crack at Port, the silly season, JHF or all three?

 

[Thetrader15]

I would add no trade required for uncontracted players - they can just go where they want. Trading happens only for contracted players.

Edit: Upon further reading, that may have been what you meant by 'Players earn the right to move to their club of choice as a free agent or uncontracted player.'

Then they are FAs after 2 years when the initial contract ends.

If we have FA compo, I think it needs to be a publicly available criteria, but based on the best offer the initial club has tabled before (say) round 18. That way we know the club wants the player and isn't manipulating the system, but they are compensated for how big they value the player, now how another club values the player.

 

[cmndstab]

Is he having a crack at Port, the silly season, JHF or all three?

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That was my thought too. Is he saying that Port didn't work hard enough to get it done, or that North were unreasonable and wouldn't let him go?