Training 2023 Preseason + training discussion

[tonygeeks]

Freo getting more fans too the footy than WC for the 1st time ever last year has really set the cat amongst the bin chickens I think

2 years in a row would really shake things up

Get along too the footy people

 

[King Huskii]

Freo getting more fans too the footy than WC for the 1st time ever last year has really set the cat amongst the bin chickens I think

2 years in a row would really shake things up

Get along too the footy people

I always looked at it as quality supporters being Freo over quantity supporters being west coke.

 

[blue shark]

I always looked at it as quality supporters being Freo over quantity supporters being west coke.

When has a mature coach won only 2 games in a season and not been sacked?
But apparently they have nailed the last two drafts, will nail this years and have
the best WA talent available.
The West trying it’s best to keep WC relevant, at least with Ross we were a no
excuse club.
Covid, injury, Hungry Jacks, unfaithful Willie, it’s a conspiracy I tell you.

 

[Carnthedockers]

And I believe we turned down a swap of firsts the following year to pick him

I spoke to someone at the club after that first night when he got passed on, and to say they were excited he was available is an understatement.

 

[JunglistPosse]

Reports be like…..

 

[PurpleReign]

It really honestly seems like the West journos have been told to just actively look for when our players appear that they might have been hurt and just report on that

Or they run crap like this.
Bad signs? FFS.

I won’t provide the link for this.

 

[Docker82]

When has a mature coach won only 2 games in a season and not been sacked?
But apparently they have nailed the last two drafts, will nail this years and have
the best WA talent available.
The West trying it’s best to keep WC relevant, at least with Ross we were a no
excuse club.
Covid, injury, Hungry Jacks, unfaithful Willie, it’s a conspiracy I tell you.

Thing is players that haven’t played a single game look more exciting than the youth they played last season. The best of them look capable of being decent role players in a good side, the rest will be gone in 5-6 years.

Bit like us going into the 2017 season tbh, although Langdon has surprised me since. Weller, Blakely and Tucker who we all thought were decent at the time aren’t really what we thought they were.

Our best young KPP in Pearce was just coming off a serious injury. We’d just drafted Logue, Darcy, Cox and Ryan.

The situations look reasonably similar with their best young KPP coming off a long term injury imo. Their experienced players will save them embarrassment the next few years but at best they rebuild 1-2 years quicker than we did. I wouldn’t consider our rebuild done either as we’ve still clearly got some development and more than likely need to recruit a few more new players to be a real premiership contending list.

 

[Taylor]

I spoke to someone at the club after that first night when he got passed on, and to say they were excited he was available is an understatement.

Indeed. I had him as a top ten pick.

 

[Quazar]

When you read things like this, how could you not get excited?

“Brodie aims to ‘take the game on’ more as a part of a midfield that includes MVP Andrew Brayshaw, Caleb Serong and new recruit Jaeger O’Meara, with young guns Neil Erasmus and Matthew Johnson putting on selection pressure.”

That almost give me goosebumps. We are stacked in the midfield. Selection pressure all around the ground will keep the boys hungry. You can feel it when they talk. Hunger, excellence, hard work, driven. This is a special group of players.

I can’t wait for the season to start!

Flagmantle for the next 15 years confirmed

 

[Daddoo]

Flagmantle for the next 15 years confirmed

 

[tonygeeks]

Flagmantle for the next 15 years confirmed

Lol , if we won 2 in a row they would bring in some rules to hobble us

 

[Dale147]

Training notes

 

[muzzington]

Or they run crap like this.
Bad signs? FFS.

I won’t provide the link for this.

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Replace "Bad Signs" with "Good Signs" and add a little eagle logo next to the others and it makes sense.

 

[King Huskii]

Or they run crap like this.
Bad signs? FFS.

I won’t provide the link for this.

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On Monday I will do a feature on Fyfe if he is part of the match sim. From what I saw he looked good without being damaging. These match sims are designed to get run into players legs under tokin pressure and to learn the game plan.

I'm not an expert I'm just a fan who observes however I can be honest enough to say that the negativity appears to be created for click bait.

 

[Boomer93]

This is comfortably the most excited I have been for an up coming season ever.

And the bookies don't even have us making the 8...

 

[Quazar]

The Fyfe noise is just disrespect from a disgruntled media that is worried about Freo's soon-to-be-meteoric rise into the stratospheres of success. Honestly, this isn't outright hyperbole (except the style I've written it..), make no bones about it, Freo's about to make the AFL vic-centric media at large a little bit....uncomfortable, shall we say.

Even if he is on the wane, we won 15 games last year with our emerging crop of wildly talented youngsters. Fyfe played the 7 games, I'm not sure how many we won with him in, I'd have to go off and check and I can't be bothered. I'd argue we won those games as a collaborative, not because Fyfe was carrying the team on his back like before. I think Fyfe's best game was possibly the St.Kilda one where he kicked 3, but honestly I thought he was quite rusty last year after such debilitating injuries, so he did....alright. His injury at GWS was unfortunate because he was starting to find his form right before finals.

To be honest I'm more concerned about Mundy's absence through retirement, and yet you could argue he was also on the wane last year - particularly after the bye. AND yet! We won 15 games. And drew one, so we only lost 6 in the regular season.

I know Lobb is gone and the ye olde question of "hell, Oracle - pray tell, just where will Freo's goals come from?! A-golly gosh!" just keeps on playing like a broken record. Rolling eyes.

But yeah, let's panic cos the media said so. Match sims. Sook's fake.......

 

[Dockeroo]

Pleasing to hear reports of improvement by Erasmus and MJ.
I thought our midfield was fairly brutally exposed in the end last year against collingwood in that final so we need substantial improvement in that area next September when the whips are cracking. Physical power was severely lacking that night in the contest and JOM and a fit Fyfe are probably the biggest antidotes to that problem in 2023. It probably sounds harsh overall but my attitude to this team is a bit different this preseason. I’m interested in - can this guy play on a premiership team in 2023? Right now that’s the only question that matters when you are in the business of winning premierships and right now, in 2023, we are officially in the business of winning flags.
For the first time since 2015.

It’s a higher standard to judge players on than say, over at WCE where their fans are looking at the likes of Ginbey, Chesser, Bazzo, etc and thinking - is he going to be an AFL standard player? Can he win a RS nom in 2023.

We are well beyond that now (which is a great thing and where we all want to be). We played and won a final last year. We brought in one of the best players in the league u22 in LJ. Fyfe is back. Jaeger o meara has been brought in for a sustained 4-5 year shot at a flag (side note - this is the best team he was ever played with in his career. In his mind he’s done the hard yards at rebuilding clubs and it’s time to play in a decent finals side now).

The majority of the squad is a year older and a year better apart from about 4 guys in their late 20s and early 30s.
It’s not about showing promise any more for freo, it’s about delivering here and now.

It’s why in some ways it’s tricky for the likes of Erasmus and MJ this year. They won’t be gifted games here. They will only play if they are considered capable of contributing to a flag winning side in 2023. Otherwise they will spend the year at peel. By contrast if they were over at the eagles they would play every game guaranteed.

Good players, some real fan favourites on this board, are going to spend a lot of time playing in the Twos this year. It’s a good thing. A sign we are finally becoming a serious club in this league.

And I believe we turned down a swap of firsts the following year to pick him

I’m pretty sure you are not correct here. It was wrongly floated by a journalist (might even have been Ryan Daniels) that hawthorns first was on the table that night but that myth was firmly debunked a couple of days later by the Freo media team in the long form articles on the draft. I don’t remember any other club offering us a first rounder in 2022 for that pick.
I think the best offer was Hawks F2 plus pick 23 in exchange for pick 21. That would have given them MJ. We turned it down and time will tell I suppose if that was correct.

The idea we were ever going to get pick 3 (2022) as part of a trade for pick 21 (2021) is a bit of a stretch. Everyone knew hawks were going to be shit in 2022.
In any case it’s just was well we didn’t. We would have had to hand over pick 3 to Melbourne for LJ and they probably would have still wanted next years first along with it.

 

[Quazar]

Pleasing to hear reports of improvement by Erasmus and MJ.
I thought our midfield was fairly brutally exposed in the end last year against collingwood in that final so we need substantial improvement in that area next September when the whips are cracking. Physical power was severely lacking that night in the contest and JOM and a fit Fyfe are probably the biggest antidotes to that problem in 2023. It probably sounds harsh overall but my attitude to this team is a bit different this preseason. I’m interested in - can this guy play on a premiership team in 2023? Right now that’s the only question that matters when you are in the business of winning premierships and right now, in 2023, we are officially in the business of winning flags.
For the first time since 2015.

It’s a higher standard to judge players on than say, over at WCE where their fans are looking at the likes of Ginbey, Chesser, Bazzo, etc and thinking - is he going to be an AFL standard player? Can he win a RS nom in 2023.

We are well beyond that now (which is a great thing and where we all want to be). We played and won a final last year. We brought in one of the best players in the league u22 in LJ. Fyfe is back. Jaeger o meara has been brought in for a sustained 4-5 year shot at a flag (side note - this is the best team he was ever played with in his career. In his mind he’s done the hard yards at rebuilding clubs and it’s time to play in a decent finals side now).

The majority of the squad is a year older and a year better apart from about 4 guys in their late 20s and early 30s.
It’s not about showing promise any more for freo, it’s about delivering here and now.

It’s why in some ways it’s tricky for the likes of Erasmus and MJ this year. They won’t be gifted games here. They will only play if they are considered capable of contributing to a flag winning side in 2023. Otherwise they will spend the year at peel. By contrast if they were over at the eagles they would play every game guaranteed.

Good players, some real fan favourites on this board, are going to spend a lot of time playing in the Twos this year. It’s a good thing. A sign we are finally becoming a serious club in this league.


I’m pretty sure you are not correct here. It was wrongly floated by a journalist (might even have been Ryan Daniels) that hawthorns first was on the table that night but that myth was firmly debunked a couple of days later by the Freo media team in the long form articles on the draft. I don’t remember any other club offering us a first rounder in 2022 for that pick.
I think the best offer was Hawks F2 plus pick 23 in exchange for pick 21. That would have given them MJ. We turned it down and time will tell I suppose if that was correct.

The idea we were ever going to get pick 3 (2022) as part of a trade for pick 21 (2021) is a bit of a stretch. Everyone knew hawks were going to be s**t in 2022.
In any case it’s just was well we didn’t. We would have had to hand over pick 3 to Melbourne for LJ and they probably would have still wanted next years first along with it.

Not sure about your conversation with Taylor, that's a small debate between you & her, but the first part of your post is excellent. Agree, we are now in the window off the back of last year.......it's time to make it count

 

[masai tu]

Or they run crap like this.
Bad signs? FFS.

I won’t provide the link for this.

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What amazes me, is that I get better footy reporting on social media, than in the “main media”.

Who would ever thunk that social media is to be believed !!!!.

 

[Dockeroo]

How is Erasmus’s ball use by foot looking in training? For me that was what stopped him getting more game time last year - poor kicking. If he can improve that he’s got a very high ceiling.
His contested work was already good enough to play last year but he’s probably competing with Brodie for a spot in 2023 and whoever can kick the ball better is in pole position I reckon.

 

[theGav56]

How is Erasmus’s ball use by foot looking in training? For me that was what stopped him getting more game time last year - poor kicking. If he can improve that he’s got a very high ceiling.
His contested work was already good enough to play last year but he’s probably competing with Brodie for a spot in 2023 and whoever can kick the ball better is in pole position I reckon.

I think what stopped him getting more games was the team being successful with a plausible tilt at a finals campaign on the cards.

 

[Dockeroo]

I think what stopped him getting more games was the team being successful with a plausible tilt at a finals campaign on the cards.

Nah I think the coaches felt Erasmus wasn’t good enough last year towards the end of the season to play AFL. I’m certain if they had thought he’d improve the side he would have played in the finals. Probably instead of Brodie who tapered off a lot in the last few games.
To back this point up, they threw a one game Jye Amiss in the deep end for the biggest two games the club had played in 7 years, because they obviously felt he would improve the team. It was a bold and brave call that I didn’t think Jlo had in him but he was absolutely right.
Struggling to recall a novice player that came from absolute nowhere to play in games like that in recent AFL memory actually.

 

[Joao]

This is comfortably the most excited I have been for an up coming season ever.

And the bookies don't even have us making the 8...

We're an easy target to allow the Blues, Port etcs of the world in. Young team, questionable forwards, lost players. I understand.

I think we could embarrass punters in both directions. Reckon our range is 1-12 and I really can't tell which way its going.

 

[PurpleReign]

Nah I think the coaches felt Erasmus wasn’t good enough last year towards the end of the season to play AFL. I’m certain if they had thought he’d improve the side he would have played in the finals. Probably instead of Brodie who tapered off a lot in the last few games.
To back this point up, they threw a one game Jye Amiss in the deep end for the biggest two games the club had played in 7 years, because they obviously felt he would improve the team. It was a bold and brave call that I didn’t think Jlo had in him but he was absolutely right.
Struggling to recall a novice player that came from absolute nowhere to play in games like that in recent AFL memory actually.

Marlion Pickett maybe?

 

[Dockeroo]

Marlion Pickett maybe?

Yeah good shout. He was a mature body though. Jye still looked like a stick insect standing beside Darcy Moore last year.