List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Tell you what else could make a difference, Chapman out of the backline. Get. Him. Up. The. Ground.

He would provide so much more than Hughes or Henry on the wing and **** it would be nice to have some size and class in the middle

 

[wakojako]

Tell you what else could make a difference, Chapman out of the backline. Get. Him. Up. The. Ground.

He would provide so much more than Hughes or Henry on the wing and * it would be nice to have some size and class in the middle

He is very valuable down back because he sets up plays from defense (just not this year). Besides, you need a preseason to adjust to the wing. You can't just plunk someone into the wing position and expect instant gains. Anyways we are all nit picking, problem is Jlo.

 

[Docker82]

I'm still like, trying to come to terms with how weak we were in those Jackson negotiations. Like, IF he comes on like people think and IF we have another good year then best case scenario, Melbourne would have been stiffed but like, no more than we were stiffed on Langdon and Hogan. Why in the * did we cave. We should have another two 2nds this year, our own, and one back from Melbourne for the two firsts. We could actually work with that hand for this year.

Bell just bends over to whatever Melbourne demand. ******* bizarre

Bell has made his name by reaming clubs with sh*house management like Gold Coast and St Kilda.

Outside of that he could've done better in most trades. Don't think many outside of Hogan and Jackson were massive overs but we were in a situation with others where said player was out of contract or a salary dump and still paid fair value.

I've put an * next to St Kilda as Ross the Boss, SOS and Gubby Allen won't let them get reamed the way the previous mob did.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Bell has made his name by reaming clubs with sh*house management like Gold Coast and St Kilda.

Outside of that he could've done better in most trades. Don't think many outside of Hogan and Jackson were massive overs but we were in a situation with others where said player was out of contract or a salary dump and still paid fair value.

I've put an * next to St Kilda as Ross the Boss, SOS and Gubby Allen won't let them get reamed the way the previous mob did.

Off-topic but I'm not sure about Gubby Allen praise, didnt he put Collingwood in salary cap hole it was in?

I feel like off the top of my head, it's really only Melbourne he just loses the plot with, but then again, they might be the only ones we trade with consistently outside GC. Lobb trade was fine, Cerra fine in hindsight, Acres a bizarre list management position and not really a trade thing. Probably paid slight overs for Clark but he was in contract.

 

[Joao]

I choose to believe Sharp is secretly the GOAT winger and we'll get him for a 4th this year. That will help us straighten up.

 

[tonygeeks]

I'm torn between giving you the "if you don't know, I'm not going to explain it to you" answer in the similar tone you gave me - and just saying that game plan and list capability are so inherently linked that you can't discuss one without the other.

Should we draft twenty Dustin Martins? Yes. But now we have to change the game style.

You’re the mod if you think this is the place to ruminate on reinventing the game then it is I guess

 

[Dump Truck]

I'm still like, trying to come to terms with how weak we were in those Jackson negotiations. Like, IF he comes on like people think and IF we have another good year then best case scenario, Melbourne would have been stiffed but like, no more than we were stiffed on Langdon and Hogan. Why in the * did we cave. We should have another two 2nds this year, our own, and one back from Melbourne for the two firsts. We could actually work with that hand for this year.

Bell just bends over to whatever Melbourne demand. ******* bizarre

Just to be clear, I was *in elated we got Jackson. I still believe he will eventually justify (for the most part) trading him in. However, I still cannot fathom why on earth we gave up that future 2nd round pick for him. It reeked of the clubs entitlement that we would waltz into finals so the trade would work out to an equivalent of pick 8 or so.
Which makes the Logue/Acres trades a truckload more baffling in hindsight. Especially when the replacements for losing Acres were internally considered to be Hughes/Henry/Wagner and... backline depth acceptable for losing Logue. It gets even worse when you could argue the club believed Banfield for the forward-Logue (purely based on team selection this year) was acceptable. Not Corbett/Treacy/Sturt/Emmett.

 

[Swiggy]

Well id be willing to let some talent go. Erasmus maybe. Cant keep going on the path we are going. We would be able to get one of those with the picks we have already but would definetly take more to get a second.

Erasmus isn’t getting freo anywhere enough to get those 2 players in

 

[Swiggy]

I choose to believe Sharp is secretly the GOAT winger and we'll get him for a 4th this year. That will help us straighten up.

For a 4th i think he’d be better then they have now on a wing

 

[Taylor]

Erasmus isn’t getting freo anywhere enough to get those 2 players in

The only way that's happening is if WC really want both Erasmus and Tim English and don't want their first round picks this year or next.

 

[Dockernut]

The only way that's happening is if WC really want both Erasmus and Tim English and don't want their first round picks this year or next.

They will need their first for Harley Reid this year according to Schnoz.

 

[Docker82]

Off-topic but I'm not sure about Gubby Allen praise, didnt he put Collingwood in salary cap hole it was in?

I feel like off the top of my head, it's really only Melbourne he just loses the plot with, but then again, they might be the only ones we trade with consistently outside GC. Lobb trade was fine, Cerra fine in hindsight, Acres a bizarre list management position and not really a trade thing. Probably paid slight overs for Clark but he was in contract.

I seem to remember him putting a line in the sand and demanding two first rounders for McCarthy.

He isn't the best but I'm positive he tells us to get ****ed if we suggest what was the Brad Hill trade to him.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Lobb trade was fine, Cerra fine in hindsight, Acres a bizarre list management position and not really a trade thing. Probably paid slight overs for Clark but he was in contract.

I don't understand people liking the lobb trades.
From memory
We took 6, traded it for 11 and 17.
Then traded 11 and 17 for 14 and lobb
So 6, or King became Lobb and Sturt.
That is close to a disaster.
Pickett was 12 the same year

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I don't understand people liking the lobb trades.
From memory
We took 6, traded it for 11 and 17.
Then traded 11 and 17 for 14 and lobb
So 6, or King became Lobb and Sturt.
That is close to a disaster.
Pickett was 12 the same year

Haha, talking about trading him out, forgot about trading him in. Didn’t like that trade either but I think someone else said it right where if the plan had been just to get one of Hogan or Lobb then we’d be in a great position. The trade would have been vastly different if we wereNT bringing in Hogan

 

[Taylor]

I don't understand people liking the lobb trades.
From memory
We took 6, traded it for 11 and 17.
Then traded 11 and 17 for 14 and lobb
So 6, or King became Lobb and Sturt.
That is close to a disaster.
Pickett was 12 the same year

Pickett was 17, as in years old.

He was the year after. Zac Butters was pick 12.

 

[Dayts]

Swing this bloke forward again



A lot easier to find a serviceable CHB than it is to find a KF.
Lots of examples of sides picking them up for 3rd rounders. That Young from Carlton great example. Makes me jealous!

This could let the unicorn roam free, more bail out marks down the wing or roll him back.

There’s enough talent in the backline to cover him, there’s absolutely nothing up forward

 

[s_wd6]

Swing this bloke forward again



A lot easier to find a serviceable CHB than it is to find a KF.
Lots of examples of sides picking them up for 3rd rounders. That Young from Carlton great example. Makes me jealous!

This could let the unicorn roam free, more bail out marks down the wing or roll him back.

There’s enough talent in the backline to cover him, there’s absolutely nothing up forward

Will never understand why we didn’t try it last year while we had Logue there. There was one game I think vs the suns where cox swung forward for the second half and Logue stayed back. Logue got the club record for intercepts and Cox was ineffective up forward but he could also barely walk iirc. Still don’t understand why they didn’t think to try it again once Cox was fit, especially because he spent a chunk of pre season playing as a forward.

 

[groggm]

We wouldn't get a first rounder for Erasmus- he has only displayed dog shit disposal at afl level. This is coming from someone who wants to keep him and hope he can improve on that, but we would be selling him at his lowest point..

 

[freo_leo29]

Shoota is a ufa this year, I thought we signed him for three years?

Wonder if Hawks still want him, they've got a tonne of $$

 

[Taylor]

Shoota is a ufa this year, I thought we signed him for three years?

Wonder if Hawks still want him, they've got a tonne of $$

I think Lachie waved the footy in our face prior to round one when he mentioned extending last year, triggering an extension.

 

[freo_leo29]

I think Lachie waved the footy in our face prior to round one when he mentioned extending last year, triggering an extension.

How exactly do triggers work again, would have thought he has hit his trigger by now?

Can he theoretically turn down the trigger and walk? Seeing as it hasn't auto activated

 

[Taylor]

How exactly do triggers work again, would have thought he has hit his trigger by now?

Can he theoretically turn down the trigger and walk? Seeing as it hasn't auto activated

Is the assumption that it hasn't activated until the club reports it?

I believe AFL contract trigger clauses in regards to extensions are triggered by the player with the only involvement of the club in terms of selection for number of games played if that is what leads to the clause triggering.

I believe both Conca and Matera had trigger clauses in their contracts for extensions if they played a specific number of games in their time, and their non-selection could have something to do with that..

 

[Superkoops]

Pickett was 17, as in years old.

He was the year after. Zac Butters was pick 12.

Also the pieces that poster indicated aren’t even close to what transpired. I summarised on an earlier post. The splitting of 6 involved 4 picks:

6>11, 23, 30 and 49
That was to help with a number of trades incl. Lobb and Hogan but certainly not just Lobb.

The Lobb trade alone:
Picks 11 and 19 to the Giants in exchange for Lobb and picks 14, 43 and 47. Freo then packaged up picks 43, 47 and 55 to send to North Melbourne in exchange for pick 31.

Effectively 11, 19 > Lobb, 14, 31

We should have just traded 19 for Lobb and a later pick (ie 19 > Lobb, 49).

If we did that and didn’t trade for Hogan, we would have had the following picks:
6, 11, 25, 31, 49 (or something to that effect)

It was the Hogan trade that forced all the additional movement of picks. All the other pieces with picks chucked around happened first incl. Neale and Lobb. Then Hogan to Freo and Steven May to Melbourne. Thing is we also gave up pick 25 with pick 6 for Hogan and then Melbourne kept 25 and passed on 6 for May and Kolojazne (however spell his name).

Magnitude of errors that trade period.

Lobb coming across wasn’t one of them. Colyer and Conca were decent pick ups for nothing but salary cap which we had plenty of. But the negotiations led by Steve Rosich meant we lost 6, 11, 25 in the process. Hogan a disaster.

Rosich was the main man at that time:

 

[Dockeroo]

I'm still like, trying to come to terms with how weak we were in those Jackson negotiations. Like, IF he comes on like people think and IF we have another good year then best case scenario, Melbourne would have been stiffed but like, no more than we were stiffed on Langdon and Hogan. Why in the * did we cave. We should have another two 2nds this year, our own, and one back from Melbourne for the two firsts. We could actually work with that hand for this year.

Bell just bends over to whatever Melbourne demand. ******* bizarre

Just be thankful we didn’t hand over the North Melbourne second round pick for Jeremy sharp.
We ought to be death riding North this season as fans as it’s our first pick in the draft as things stand

 

[nurries]

Also the pieces that poster indicated aren’t even close to what transpired. I summarised on an earlier post. The splitting of 6 involved 4 picks:

6>11, 23, 30 and 49
That was to help with a number of trades incl. Lobb and Hogan but certainly not just Lobb.

The Lobb trade alone:
Picks 11 and 19 to the Giants in exchange for Lobb and picks 14, 43 and 47. Freo then packaged up picks 43, 47 and 55 to send to North Melbourne in exchange for pick 31.

Effectively 11, 19 > Lobb, 14, 31

We should have just traded 19 for Lobb and a later pick (ie 19 > Lobb, 49).

If we did that and didn’t trade for Hogan, we would have had the following picks:
6, 11, 25, 31, 49 (or something to that effect)

It was the Hogan trade that forced all the additional movement of picks. All the other pieces with picks chucked around happened first incl. Neale and Lobb. Then Hogan to Freo and Steven May to Melbourne. Thing is we also gave up pick 25 with pick 6 for Hogan and then Melbourne kept 25 and passed on 6 for May and Kolojazne (however spell his name).

Magnitude of errors that trade period.

Lobb coming across wasn’t one of them. Colyer and Conca were decent pick ups for nothing but salary cap which we had plenty of. But the negotiations led by Steve Rosich meant we lost 6, 11, 25 in the process. Hogan a disaster.

Rosich was the main man at that time:
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6,11,25 is probably
Ben King, Jordan Clark* and Bobby Hill

* as we got Jordan Clark for 22 we would of had access to Jessie Motlop

Can you imagine adding King, Hill and Motlop to our forward half and still access to Clark, Amiss, Johnson and Ras

Depressing