Media Carlton in the Media (articles, podcasts etc) - Part IV

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Aphrodite said:
Great turn out 👍





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I took both my boys (13 & 15) and they haven't been able to wipe the smiles off their faces. They got almost every single player to sign a ball and clash jersey. Fantastic initiative by the Club and full credit to every player that participated. Zac Williams was even there signing autographs. Said he was raring to come back bigger and better next year!! Thanks to all those involved in putting it on!!
 
Meh, it's becoming boring now Kane...
You're borderline obsessed with SA biased and Carlton hatred...

Fireman Cornes
"Adelaide's rebuild has leap frogged Carlton's by 3 years"

Considering
  • It was Adelaide's biggest game since their 2017 grand final.
  • Adelaide have an injury list of 1 rookie.
  • We were missing McGovern, Williams, Docherty, Owies Martin, Boyd, Cottrell and Marchbank. Who all when fit have a claim on a best 22 spot.
  • Pittonet and Saad both inured during the game and didn't stay on the field (last quarter we were down to 3 on the bench)
  • We are in a huge form slump. Also at this stage last year we had (5-6 potential AA players) this year we have 1 Charlie, the rest are no where near it.
Think Adelaide look exciting, but if you shut down their midfield and forward entries they are second rate...
The eventual retiring Tex and Sloane will leave a huge hole.


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Arr0w said:
Yeah, Kane said the same thing about the Suns, Dockers, * 2021, Saints 3 years ago

Kane the perfect puppet master for the the uneducated masses
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Like all good sides we are at the point in list management and development where we need get our needs right .. we need those rookie and diamond in the rough types to push to next level as we won't be having many high picks.. one concern is we have extra on list and really limited rookie spots.. middling sides(6-10) like us anyone can pick holes in it and be half right ..
 
Aphrodite said:
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We are soooo blessed to have Charles at the club at a time when a lot of the kids could easily have jumped off the Blues through those dismal years.

He's basically just a big kid himself - well, a big kid with freakish ability - which is why the little tackers would love him.....although it still makes me nervous when I see him on Brownlow or All Australian nights with a beer in his hand 😬
 
Arr0w said:
I enjoy people and or their content, putting their opinions out early, rather than after 1 game, 5 rounds or even 1 season
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And that's why I discounted Kane's comments straight away plus the rest of the panel got into him about shooting his shot too early anyway.

However Hodgey commented on what he's seen so far and he's right, our mids can't get the ball and our team balance is out with not enough pace. Obviously injury to guys like Williams, Boyd, Gov, Walsh and Cotters have really slowed our run (not including Cunners) and Honey not taking hold of opportunity and tbh not enough from our small forwards but it is what it is.

Have no idea why our mids as a group are a shadow of the early rounds of last year but if they can turn it around and we can maintain a better balance of big bodies and runners, I can see a quick turn around to playing better footy and better looking footy.
 
TENACIOUS said:
Meh, it's becoming boring now Kane...
You're borderline obsessed with SA biased and Carlton hatred...

Fireman Cornes
"Adelaide's rebuild has leap frogged Carlton's by 3 years"

Considering
  • It was Adelaide's biggest game since their 2017 grand final.
  • Adelaide have an injury list of 1 rookie.
  • We were missing McGovern, Williams, Docherty, Owies Martin, Boyd, Cottrell and Marchbank. Who all when fit have a claim on a best 22 spot.
  • Pittonet and Saad both inured during the game and didn't stay on the field (last quarter we were down to 3 on the bench)
  • We are in a huge form slump. Also at this stage last year we had (5-6 potential AA players) this year we have 1 Charlie, the rest are no where near it.
Think Adelaide look exciting, but if you shut down their midfield and forward entries they are second rate...
The eventual retiring Tex and Sloane will leave a huge hole.


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Blue since 72 said:
And that's why I discounted Kane's comments straight away plus the rest of the panel got into him about shooting his shot too early anyway.

However Hodgey commented on what he's seen so far and he's right, our mids can't get the ball and our team balance is out with not enough pace. Obviously injury to guys like Williams, Boyd, Gov, Walsh and Cotters have really slowed our run (not including Cunners) and Honey not taking hold of opportunity and tbh not enough from our small forwards but it is what it is.

Have no idea why our mids as a group are a shadow of the early rounds of last year but if they can turn it around and we can maintain a better balance of big bodies and runners, I can see a quick turn around to playing better footy and better looking footy.
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Some of the boys have some “niggles”. I suspect in an ideal world, a couple wouldn’t have played last week. Pre seasons or early seasons preparation compromised. Catch up is difficult.

An undersold factor is the lack of output from Pitto. He has long been undersold for his bollocking and blocking around stoppage. His pre season was massively compromised and he is still struggling to impose himself physically and to run out games. I love the prospect of TDK, but he has not come on. He is so predictable in the ruck and easily defended against as an oppo mid. Does not have Pitto’s presence around the contest. He is a highlights reel and potential. I am starting to despair of him realising that potential. (Pi55ed off that my faith is being shaken, just quietly. I wanted a change if ruck coach. If MK is not the reason he is found wanting, TDK is a $350k player, no more, he must produce more, consistently)
 
Blue since 72 said:
And that's why I discounted Kane's comments straight away plus the rest of the panel got into him about shooting his shot too early anyway.

However Hodgey commented on what he's seen so far and he's right, our mids can't get the ball and our team balance is out with not enough pace. Obviously injury to guys like Williams, Boyd, Gov, Walsh and Cotters have really slowed our run (not including Cunners) and Honey not taking hold of opportunity and tbh not enough from our small forwards but it is what it is.

Have no idea why our mids as a group are a shadow of the early rounds of last year but if they can turn it around and we can maintain a better balance of big bodies and runners, I can see a quick turn around to playing better footy and better looking footy.
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Every man and their dog should have known we have lacked 2 way speed for more than 3 years

Most footy media don't drill down at all, worse, don't know where to start unless analysts hand them the information

Even then, it's not what the general viewing public want

Hopefully it will show itself better in the coming weeks, but Voss & Co have tweaked our starting positions at the stoppages to improve our transition and turnover game, knowing clearances and scores from clearances isn't sustainable.

Think they went too hard with the adjustments and will come back to a more acceptable level

Note, the top 4 sides in clearance differentials aren't travelling well, the top 4 in contests after clearances, are sitting top 6 on the ladder

Not the bible, nor do i agree with all the content, but this weekly production is closer to the mark, than any opinion coming from most of the scribes, or podcasts

 
Arr0w said:
Every man and their dog should have known we have lacked 2 way speed for more than 3 years

Most footy media don't drill down at all, worse, don't know where to start unless analysts hand them the information

Even then, it's not what the general viewing public want

Hopefully it will show itself better in the coming weeks, but Voss & Co have tweaked our starting positions at the stoppages to improve our transition and turnover game, knowing clearances and scores from clearances isn't sustainable.

Think they went too hard with the adjustments and will come back to a more acceptable level

Note, the top 4 sides in clearance differentials aren't travelling well, the top 4 in contests after clearances, are sitting top 6 on the ladder

Not the bible, nor do i agree with all the content, but this weekly production is closer to the mark, than any opinion coming from most of the scribes, or podcasts

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Re the bolded bit, couldn't agree more and hopefully they do.
 
Coona Blues said:
Some of the boys have some “niggles”. I suspect in an ideal world, a couple wouldn’t have played last week. Pre seasons or early seasons preparation compromised. Catch up is difficult.

An undersold factor is the lack of output from Pitto. He has long been undersold for his bollocking and blocking around stoppage. His pre season was massively compromised and he is still struggling to impose himself physically and to run out games. I love the prospect of TDK, but he has not come on. He is so predictable in the ruck and easily defended against as an oppo mid. Does not have Pitto’s presence around the contest. He is a highlights reel and potential. I am starting to despair of him realising that potential. (Pi55ed off that my faith is being shaken, just quietly. I wanted a change if ruck coach. If MK is not the reason he is found wanting, TDK is a $350k player, no more, he must produce more, consistently)
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Yeah Pitto was massive early last year but like others hasn't replicated yet, most likely to your compromised pre-season comment. Agree re TDK at this point, would almost prefer he play more forward and at least take a decent defender and cause some havoc jumping at the ball coming in. This is where JSOS is probably not required (leading the way effort wise aside) with both these two in the team. would prefer a smaller runner if we can find one who is fit.
 
Arr0w said:
Every man and their dog should have known we have lacked 2 way speed for more than 3 years

Most footy media don't drill down at all, worse, don't know where to start unless analysts hand them the information

Even then, it's not what the general viewing public want

Hopefully it will show itself better in the coming weeks, but Voss & Co have tweaked our starting positions at the stoppages to improve our transition and turnover game, knowing clearances and scores from clearances isn't sustainable.

Think they went too hard with the adjustments and will come back to a more acceptable level

Note, the top 4 sides in clearance differentials aren't travelling well, the top 4 in contests after clearances, are sitting top 6 on the ladder

Not the bible, nor do i agree with all the content, but this weekly production is closer to the mark, than any opinion coming from most of the scribes, or podcasts

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There is a reason Austin recruited Hollands and Binns (who runs as hard as Hollands but is quicker off the mark)
 
The only things I've seen of Binns are highlights from around the draft, haven't read much into him or anything.

From what I saw on those he did seem quicker, but the other thing I noticed was he seemed to be a fairly crafty and clever kick. Seemed to play with a bit of x-factor. I was surprised to read writeups after watching those to see kicking was a noted weakness.

The other thing I noticed was he did seem quick. More explosive quick than top speed - which I don't recall seeing much of in the highlights so he might have elite top end speed for all I know.

If those presumptions based on his highlights are correct I could see him being a different player to Hollands in a good way. Again from what I saw there might even be potential to play more on ball/attacking midfield with Binns than Hollands. Like I say that's just from highlights though, anyone who's watched him play would likely be able to tell me if I'm way off the mark.
 
Coona Blues said:
An undersold factor is the lack of output from Pitto. He has long been undersold for his bollocking and blocking around stoppage. His pre season was massively compromised and he is still struggling to impose himself physically and to run out games. I love the prospect of TDK, but he has not come on. He is so predictable in the ruck and easily defended against as an oppo mid. Does not have Pitto’s presence around the contest. He is a highlights reel and potential. I am starting to despair of him realising that potential. (Pi55ed off that my faith is being shaken, just quietly. I wanted a change if ruck coach. If MK is not the reason he is found wanting, TDK is a $350k player, no more, he must produce more, consistently)
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I think this is a really important point. I feel the reason for our drop off as a clearance team is due to our rucks. At the moment it appears to me like the mids don't know where the ball is going from the ruck contest which is why we are ranked 15th for clearances so far this year. De Koning and Pittonet are unpredictable at the moment with their taps and our mids are suffering as a result. Pretty confident we were top 4 or higher last year.
 
Arr0w said:
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Thanks for posting and an interesting listen - these results are after 5 rounds. For Carlton rounds 2-4 ie 3/5 has seen a make up on ball brigade - will be interesting to see how they go when they are all playing in their correct positions...

leaving that aside:

The distinction between clearance and post clearance contested ball winning is interesting- but also a gimmick statement- since when does any coach define contested ball winning as limited to the clearance - contested ball is every contest - turnovers in packs for sure arent as meaningful as turnovers caused in open field - hence the importance of so called outside players to actually stick a tackle- hence the criticism made of certain players who just can't tackle but fancy themselves as outside playmakers- you don't really need me to spell out the bloke I am think of do you?

More interesting was the focus put on Carlton's transition play - ie effective kicks into the forward fifty- with Ed Curmnow being Carlton's best ( +18) differential and both Cerra and Cripps at around -15 differentials - eg Cripps kicked the ball into forward fifty 20 times for 5 marks.. however Ed has played significant time as a defensive forward and kicked quite effectively from a flank in a few games- whereas his kick from an on-ball position ( CBB especially) have been awful. I think Walsh ill improve these team numbers and I suspect given his running ability - other mids numbers will also improve because if for no other reason - there will be someone to actually give off to...

The two worrying things I have noticed in Carlton's play have been ( on top of absolute crapola HFF )

1. Lack of effectiveness in CBB and general ball up clearances ( poor ruck work especially from TDK) how much of this has been set ups?
2. Total lack of transition running capability - no surprises with injury /absence lack of continuity in the on ball brigade ( not to forget absence of Walsh)

The best thing Voss could find is another runner midfield rotation apart from Walsh - Docherty has been good - but now missing...and no - the bloke whose name I wont mention is not an option - based on his lack of effectiveness when given opportunities in that role.

I think it is all fairly easily fixed tbh but we will see.
 
JustaBattler said:
Thanks for posting and an interesting listen - these results are after 5 rounds. For Carlton rounds 2-4 ie 3/5 has seen a make up on ball brigade - will be interesting to see how they go when they are all playing in their correct positions...

leaving that aside:

The distinction between clearance and post clearance contested ball winning is interesting- but also a gimmick statement- since when does any coach define contested ball winning as limited to the clearance - contested ball is every contest - turnovers in packs for sure arent as meaningful as turnovers caused in open field - hence the importance of so called outside players to actually stick a tackle- hence the criticism made of certain players who just can't tackle but fancy themselves as outside playmakers- you don't really need me to spell out the bloke I am think of do you?
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The distinction is about pre and post clearance, the game heading more to the latter, especially with the 666 and stand rules. It's setup and structure driven

The interpretation of contested numbers elude most, as they also include loose ball gets, ground ball gets and ball indispute, areas that have nothing to do with a physical one on one contest, or tackle
JustaBattler said:
More interesting was the focus put on Carlton's transition play - ie effective kicks into the forward fifty- with Ed Curmnow being Carlton's best ( +18) differential and both Cerra and Cripps at around -15 differentials - eg Cripps kicked the ball into forward fifty 20 times for 5 marks.. however Ed has played significant time as a defensive forward and kicked quite effectively from a flank in a few games- whereas his kick from an on-ball position ( CBB especially) have been awful. I think Walsh ill improve these team numbers and I suspect given his running ability - other mids numbers will also improve because if for no other reason - there will be someone to actually give off to...
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Was always confident that Ed would fit into Voss's gamplan, and stated as much, as he works well in his limitations, much like Cotts did last year.

Those numbers will improve, as we continue to find a balance between going long or sharing the ball
JustaBattler said:
The two worrying things I have noticed in Carlton's play have been ( on top of absolute crapola HFF )

1. Lack of effectiveness in CBB and general ball up clearances ( poor ruck work especially from TDK) how much of this has been set ups?
2. Total lack of transition running capability - no surprises with injury /absence lack of continuity in the on ball brigade ( not to forget absence of Walsh)
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It will improve as our turnover numbers are healthier than last year, which is a more sustainable source
JustaBattler said:
The best thing Voss could find is another runner midfield rotation apart from Walsh - Docherty has been good - but now missing...and no - the bloke whose name I wont mention is not an option - based on his lack of effectiveness when given opportunities in that role.

I think it is all fairly easily fixed tbh but we will see.
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Yes, seen the continual discussions by many people regarding Fisher, it really is starting to esculate, in an unhealthy manner. It amuses me actually, it's like we only have one player in the side that is underperforming.

Strangely, in the North game he had more clearances than any of our players to halftime, 2nd most for the game, meaning he got first hands on the ball. And 4th highest contested numbers

My question would be, if Fisher is and has been so poor, what are our other players doing, namely our guns?

If people want every player to be a tackle machine (the game is moving further away from this as a coaching priority), then perhaps some of our bigger bodies should get more scrutiny

Just my take of course
 

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