Autopsy Dogs get the job done for Bonty's 200th

[Norm De Guerre]

I noticed it come up immediately after the game, was as fast as a chat gpt output

Nothing would surprise. However you have to wonder who actually wants to read a game summary seconds after a errrr...game?

I didn't bother clicking on the link and reading it as I was passing by on my way to the stats page.

I just found the headline a little incongruous.

 

[jdz101]

Awful game to watch & Bont deserved far better.

I loved the artie moment. That was the flower growing in the pot of dirt that was this game.

A few bits and bobs:

• The forward line looks uncoached. Constantly interfere with each other's marking contests spoiling each other. They're aways dragging themselves and their defender into each other's space aswell. The small forwards dont know where to be during these contests so the ball just walks out of the forward line after one contest a lot of times. Artie and Weightman have the ability and endeavour but theyre always in the wrong position or flying when they should be down. The forward delivery reflects a team that isnt confident in its forward line or knows where to send the ball. These issues compound each other. The reason why geelong are so potent is hawkins knows where to go, cameron knows where to go, and they both know where the other one is going, and EVERYONE knows not to clog their space, plus where to deliver the ball to them.
• Ive never seen a team have so many tackles broken than we did in that first and second quarters today. Our defensive zone and intensity is extremely lacking unless we flood a large amount of the team back like we did in the second half. This leaves the opposition tons of time and space in our forward half to chip it around and decide how to start an attack. Hawthorn couldnt deal with this but most decent teams can.
• Alex Keath is just a walking calamity at this point. Most of his disposals were not AFL standard and he looks completely lost. There are no horses to come in and help back there. No, Ryan Gardner
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  Ryan Gardner

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  94kg

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  7.3

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  4.0

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  3.3

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  2.0

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  0.8

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  45.0

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  8.5

  2star

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  6.0

  2star

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  2.5

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  3.0

  3star

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  1.0

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  45.0

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  7.3

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  4.0

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  3.3

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  45.0

  1star

  is not it. We need another veteran defender badly.

We get by on the talent of a handful of really top-end players that are able to adapt on the fly and a decent midfield, but there are real problems at both ends of the ground and real problems with our system lacking any ability to take advantage of free-flowing play. The forward line stuff and the lack of any real defensive intensity suggests a new coaching panel is well overdue.

 

[dergert]

Anyone else get frustrated watching Naughton try and jump on JUH's head each forward entry?

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Anyone else get frustrated watching Naughton try and jump on JUH's head each forward entry?

Yes.

It honestly feels like they are more likely to spoil each other than their opponents spoil one of them. They're both still very young and the cohesion will come I'm sure.

 

[jdz101]

Anyone else get frustrated watching Naughton try and jump on JUH's head each forward entry?

Yes. I melted about this above. Its not just naughton on jam though. Its everyone on everyone.

 

[Oliver G]

There's a reasonable chance these 3 will play a combined 1,000 V/AFL games. To date they have all played 90%+ of their available games respectively...

 

[wayniac]

Must have been watching a different game on McNiel, seemed to do quite a few good things worked hard, pressured and did enough to show he has a place in the team

I thought McNeil played well. He's a smart footballer and gets to the right places. His tackling was good. Bailey Smith's tackling is woeful.

 

[BEaston]

Good to get the 4 points

Alex Keath

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5.1

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M

5.1

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1.5

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MG

206.7

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D

11.0

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K

7.3

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.6

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T

0.6

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MG

193.4

3star

D

11.4

3star

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6.2

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

165.0

3star

... yikes

 

[wayniac]

Hailed Bont as he came off. I don't think he understood, as is his modest brilliance. The rest got a thumbs up lol. I believe we are better than what we got for 2 quarters today.

Anyone know what the crowd numbers were. Seemed huge

A shade over 40,000. It came up on the scoreboard late in the game.

 

[hutchy31]

Good to get the job done, but was a poor performance.

The difference between a top four team (and flag contender) and the bulldogs is evidenced by our first half v one of the bottom two teams in the comp and Melbourne’s vs the other one.

Sorry, I’m just still sour that the team decided this was how they would honour their captain and best player on a pretty significant milestone.

 

[doggie dog]

McNeil was solid, Smith had 4 tackles from 11 attempts (36%).

Thanks for all your statical data, i can have my own biase watching the game but your statistics are invaluable to back up facts... legend.

There were so many broken tackles it was horrible to watch.

 

[grassman75]

An interesting take on a result that didn't look in doubt after Beveridge adjusted our defensive press after half time.

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But Bevo doesn't make changes....

 

[grassman75]

Good to get the job done, but was a poor performance.

The difference between a top four team (and flag contender) and the bulldogs is evidenced by our first half v one of the bottom two teams in the comp and Melbourne’s vs the other one.

Sorry, I’m just still sour that the team decided this was how they would honour their captain and best player on a pretty significant milestone.

See your point but everyone to date has played the Hawks without Lewis and they got more back this week as well. They've only been shit a couple of times. I'll take that and see what we do to Norf

 

[Libba39]

Yes.

It honestly feels like they are more likely to spoil each other than their opponents spoil one of them. They're both still very young and the cohesion will come I'm sure.

Doesn't help when Weightman is flying in as well...

 

[Martyn_30_]

It was the classic more experienced team lifts after flat first half, all the effort stats were heavily in Hawthorn's favour for a half and once they lifted they couldn't get the ball forward.

 

[ScragCity]

I'm loving seeing vintage JJ again. It's like he's back from the dead.

 

[maddog37]

Thought Caleb cleaned up many a mess tonight.

I echo the Keath doubts.

 

[hutchy31]

See your point but everyone to date has played the Hawks without Lewis and they got more back this week as well. They've only been s**t a couple of times. I'll take that and see what we do to Norf

They’ve been competitive vs north, Adelaide (in Tassie) and GWS. They’ve lost by 10 goals to Essendon, and 14 goals to both Sydney and Geelong. They’re terrible, and a lock for bottom three as well as favourites for the spoon.

A five goal win on our home deck in our captain’s 200th game is not a good look. I fear it is indicative of our position though.

 

[doggiesin08]

Good to get the 4 points

Alex Keath... yikes

The drop off has been remarkable. I thought he deserved to be in the AA squad in 2021.

 

[ossie_21]

Glad we lifted, especially in the 2nd half. Hawks missed some very gettable shots and should have got further ahead, they are definitely on the right track but their early pressure couldn’t be sustained for 4 quarters.

What worries me a lot about the way we play is the amount of run that teams can generate off half back and slingshot the ball down the other end. Again, our coaching team doesn’t appear to be doing anything to prevent it and the more clinical teams will tear us apart.

A good win for a legends 200th, with GWS win today it makes next weeks game a lot tougher. Libba back will be huge, personally at this stage I’d look at bringing him in for McLean and making Weightman sub

 

[doggiesin08]

I'm loving seeing vintage JJ again. It's like he's back from the dead.

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Imagine how salty we’d all be on here if he’d gone to Gold Coast and was playing like this on the HBF.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

I'm loving seeing vintage JJ again. It's like he's back from the dead.

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Wasn't he playing on Bruest when he kicked his 3 early goals?

If he was it was good of Bruest to get an old mans calf injury and free JJ to go on a rampage.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

Take the win.

Thought Baker was our best and Arty could be what we have needed for year if he keeps improving. Jamarra showed with a little cameo he would be a great defender but he offers to much up forward.

GWS is going be a tough assignment they come to play each week.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Glad we lifted, especially in the 2nd half. Hawks missed some very gettable shots and should have got further ahead, they are definitely on the right track but their early pressure couldn’t be sustained for 4 quarters.

What worries me a lot about the way we play is the amount of run that teams can generate off half back and slingshot the ball down the other end. Again, our coaching team doesn’t appear to be doing anything to prevent it and the more clinical teams will tear us apart.

A good win for a legends 200th, with GWS win today it makes next weeks game a lot tougher. Libba back will be huge, personally at this stage I’d look at bringing him in for McLean and making Weightman sub

Th coaching panel for all of the shit that we've given them have made the right adjustments and shut down teams who've run and gun at us over the last 5 weeks. The only time this hasn't worked is against Port when we run out of puff in the wet. We saw it again tonight when the Hawks just couldn't get through our midfield and defensive press after half time.

It's just a fact of the modern game that teams will at some point get a period of domination during a game. It's how you counter this that really important in my view. We've definitely turned this aspect of our game around since our disastrous start to the season.

 

[manutd/dogs]

Awful game to watch & Bont deserved far better.

I loved the artie moment. That was the flower growing in the pot of dirt that was this game.

A few bits and bobs:

• The forward line looks uncoached. Constantly interfere with each other's marking contests spoiling each other. They're aways dragging themselves and their defender into each other's space aswell. The small forwards dont know where to be during these contests so the ball just walks out of the forward line after one contest a lot of times. Artie and Weightman have the ability and endeavour but theyre always in the wrong position or flying when they should be down. The forward delivery reflects a team that isnt confident in its forward line or knows where to send the ball. These issues compound each other. The reason why geelong are so potent is hawkins knows where to go, cameron knows where to go, and they both know where the other one is going, and EVERYONE knows not to clog their space, plus where to deliver the ball to them.
• Ive never seen a team have so many tackles broken than we did in that first and second quarters today. Our defensive zone and intensity is extremely lacking unless we flood a large amount of the team back like we did in the second half. This leaves the opposition tons of time and space in our forward half to chip it around and decide how to start an attack. Hawthorn couldnt deal with this but most decent teams can.
• Alex Keath is just a walking calamity at this point. Most of his disposals were not AFL standard and he looks completely lost. There are no horses to come in and help back there. No, Ryan Gardner is not it. We need another veteran defender badly.

We get by on the talent of a handful of really top-end players that are able to adapt on the fly and a decent midfield, but there are real problems at both ends of the ground and real problems with our system lacking any ability to take advantage of free-flowing play. The forward line stuff and the lack of any real defensive intensity suggests a new coaching panel is well overdue.

Agree on everything you've written here except for your dissing of Gardner - he was good today and his decision making and disposal is much improved. He may still have a few things to work on, but he is an undeniably solid defender with a great spoil and excellent closing speed, and started to take interept marks last year. Not to mention his disposal has improved markedly. Infinitely better than Keath anyway, and if it wasn't for his injury he would have been in the side already. Would be surprised if he's not in this week, match-ups permitting.