Review Good, Bad, Ugly v Collingwood

[BRL121]

The overturn footage wasn't convulsive either.

I was convulsive!

 

[MsTopG]

He's certainly coming across like that. When was the Murphy situation please?

Last 20 seconds of the game. Rachele did good work to win the ball, handballs,over his head and runs on to receive the ball back. Handball was on to Murphy who with his left foot would have probably found the free players in our forward line(2 or 3 alone) and they would have at least tied the game with a point or won it as long as they kicked it before the siren. Instead of giving the handball when Murphy was pleading for the ball he hacks it 25 metres straight to Moore. The handball just had to be given but he got caught up in winning it himself with a very low probability of success kick. He needs to realise that it's a team sport.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Schoenberg killed us as the sub. His disposal with "fresh legs" were rotten.

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Schoey was pathetic.

No football instinct.
No football desire.
No football skills.

Shouldn't get back into our team again until he can dominate the SANFL for a season. He is clearly not developing (learning) what's required.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Last 20 seconds of the game. Rachele did good work to win the ball, handballs,over his head and runs on to receive the ball back. Handball was on to Murphy who with his left foot would have probably found the free players in our forward line(2 or 3 alone) and they would have at least tied the game with a point or won it as long as they kicked it before the siren. Instead of giving the handball when Murphy was pleading for the ball he hacks it 25 metres straight to Moore. The handball just had to be given but he got caught up in winning it himself with a very low probability of success kick. He needs to realise that it's a team sport.

Yes.
I saw that exactly as you describe.

Hopefully he learns from this. It wasn't good.

 

[BRL121]

Yes.
I saw that exactly as you describe.

Hopefully he learns from this. It wasn't good.

And this was after he received an on-ground bake from Tex at halftime.

 

[ABAB]

Last 20 seconds of the game. Rachele did good work to win the ball, handballs,over his head and runs on to receive the ball back. Handball was on to Murphy who with his left foot would have probably found the free players in our forward line(2 or 3 alone) and they would have at least tied the game with a point or won it as long as they kicked it before the siren. Instead of giving the handball when Murphy was pleading for the ball he hacks it 25 metres straight to Moore. The handball just had to be given but he got caught up in winning it himself with a very low probability of success kick. He needs to realise that it's a team sport.

It wasn't a hack kick, Walker was free as he was running back towards goal had the ball carried over Moore but it fell short.

 

[SellarStardom]

Schoey was pathetic.

No football instinct.
No football desire.
No football skills.

Shouldn't get back into our team again until he can dominate the SANFL for a season. He is clearly not developing (learning) what's required.

Some players aren't suited to the sub role and Schoey definitely isn't. Murphy, yes, Schoey no

 

[Jeffcrowe]

‘Wasn’t influential’: Daicos tag ‘sends message’ to rest of the AFL

‘Got inside his head’: Rival move on Pies star ‘sends message’ to rest of the AFL

www.foxsports.com.au

Interesting analysis Keays v Daicos

 

[Mutineer]

‘Wasn’t influential’: Daicos tag ‘sends message’ to rest of the AFL

‘Got inside his head’: Rival move on Pies star ‘sends message’ to rest of the AFL

www.foxsports.com.au

Interesting analysis Keays v Daicos

So even the next big thing fluffs kick ins resulting in 2 goals.....Hmmmm seems nobody's perfect....

Lyon pointed to two Daicos turnovers from kick ins that led to Adelaide goals, questioning if the added attention was affecting him in some way.

“His full back kick ins have been absolutely elite. You can make of this what you will, you don’t know whether his mind’s as clear as what you want,” Lyon said on On the Couch.

“But he’s got something to deal with at the moment, so all of a sudden his kicking out of full back is a bit of an issue.

“He has another opportunity and makes another decision he hasn’t made all year.

“They’re not hanging offences, but you go: ‘OK, what’s happening here?’”

 

[dogs105]

Sorry I have not read the last few pages so not sure if this was posted

AFL admits umps got it wrong after Magpie fans, coach ‘lost their minds’ over last-term calls

AFL admits umps got it wrong after Magpie fans, coach ‘lost their minds’ over last-term calls

www.foxsports.com.au

First time we get a good run from the upms and the entire vic media it seems is up in arms about it highlighting the bad calls. I don't remember them affording us that luxury in the 2017 GF where the umps cost us the game in the first half

So they can shut the **** up now

That high contact was clearly a free.

But why does it get a media story?

 

[CrowBloke]

That high contact was clearly a free.

But why does it get a media story?

Collingwood/ Eddie-the-string-puller ...

 

[Crow till I die]

That high contact was clearly a free.

But why does it get a media story?

not disputing that it was a free - it was. But how many times do we get hammered by the umps, have obvious frees unpaid yet don't get the Praetorian guard that gets the AFL media up in arms about it. I guess as Collingwood are likely unused to being on the wrong end of them it is like a shock mechanism kicking in

 

[CrowBloke]

Their last-1/4 dominance is clear to see in the (depressing) numbers:
"... contested possessions (35-25), clearances (16-4), overall disposals (86-70), inside 50s (15-5), and on the scoreboard (3.6-1.1)".
After Jones put us up by 22 points, did they think they had it won? Did they stop?
The smashing in contested possessions and clearances (what does VB actually do?) suggests a drop in effort.

53/94 people above thought O'Brien played well. I was not one of them.
Posters have commented about his marking around the ground. While that's handy, it is NOT his primary role.

His inability to tap to, or to the advantage of our mids is a major problem.

 

[WeeBlake]

His inability to tap to, or to the advantage of our mids is a major problem.

Agree it’s a problem, but I am not sure whose fault it is.

Also this kind of thing is not uncommon.

 

[Crow till I die]

So even the next big thing fluffs kick ins resulting in 2 goals.....Hmmmm seems nobody's perfect....

Lyon pointed to two Daicos turnovers from kick ins that led to Adelaide goals, questioning if the added attention was affecting him in some way.

“His full back kick ins have been absolutely elite. You can make of this what you will, you don’t know whether his mind’s as clear as what you want,” Lyon said on On the Couch.

“But he’s got something to deal with at the moment, so all of a sudden his kicking out of full back is a bit of an issue.

“He has another opportunity and makes another decision he hasn’t made all year.

“They’re not hanging offences, but you go: ‘OK, what’s happening here?’”

I thought the bit about the crows missing a beat in not using Keays more was interesting. They were alluding to the times keays was gut running off Daicos and we ignored using his run instead f honouring it to put even more pressure on Daicos.

I have long thought Keays best role for us is as a hard runni9ng tag that can get forward and hit the scoreboard...seems to be playing out that way a bit now

 

[Interloperer]

That high contact was clearly a free.

But why does it get a media story?

The main controversy is two fold:

• Failure to stop the play for an obviously injured, bleeding and likely concussed player.
• The same umpire has been involved in two other similar grievous errors in dangerous situations this season. (those two resulted in suspensions despite no free kick being paid.)

 

[WeeBlake]

Schoey was pathetic.

No football instinct.
No football desire.
No football skills.

 

[AFC979810]

Possibly, but not while your next comment remains true:

Both the Crows and Nicks are learning together, but Nicks will need to be more astute, tougher, and bolder. He has no killer instinct and that rubs off on the Crows.
I think VB has to go, as well. The midfield (dis)organisation is dire.

It's on Nicks. Not sure how any one can be critical (or glowingly positive) of assistant coaches. We have no idea how they are managed by Nicks, what their KPI's are and how much control they have over their area.

Are we really?

Our gameplan went to pieces when the 18th side put us under pressure

Likewise once the side without a ruckman, Pendles, coming off a 5 day break blockbuster game woke up after half time and started to pile the pressure on we again went to pieces.

Finals is all about pressure, we saw what happened in the coaches box in the last quarter - reverting to Laird Sloane and Keays as our onballers.

Yep. Its modern day football. First team to 100 points wins.

For the last 5 grand finals - 9 of the 10 teams that made it were all top 5 for points scored in the AFL. The lone outlier was the 6th highest scoring team GWS in 2019.

We are currently 5th in scoring. We are explosive and can score quickly and freely when on.

The elements of structure and general gameplay are there. The finer points, in game strategy, team selection are sorely missing.

 

[CrowBloke]

Agree it’s a problem, but I am not sure whose fault it is.

Also this kind of thing is not uncommon.

I think Coaches --- Nicks, Ruck Coach (still Clark?), VB --- and player execution.

Not directed at you, but I don't care if some, or several, or ALL Clubs have the same/similar problem.
I want the Crows to get it right.

 

[CrowBloke]

It's on Nicks. Not sure how any one can be critical (or glowingly positive) of assistant coaches. We have no idea how they are managed by Nicks, what their KPI's are and how much control they have over their area.

It's clear Nicks has the final say.
He stopped VB from phoning down to the players in the last 90 seconds or so vs Hawthorn. Other posters have observed that he wanted the boys to work it out for themselves. Dawson marshalled the backline then Soligo had a brain fade, but we still got the 4 points.

 

[Mutineer]

Agree it’s a problem, but I am not sure whose fault it is.

Also this kind of thing is not uncommon.

2022 HTA % & HTW% courtesy of AFL stats...Hit Outs to advantage and Hit out wins %

Jarrod Witts - HTA - 34.3% - HTW - 49.3%
Max Gawn - HTA - 33.6% - HTW - 53%
Sean Darcy - HTA - 33.3% - HTW - 53.4%
Tim English - HTA - 31.4% - HTW - 37.9%
Oscar McInerny -HTA - 31.3% - HTW - 46%
Todd Goldstein - HTA - 31.1% - HTW - 46%
Sam Draper - HTA - 30.4% - HTW - 45.8%
Brodie Grundy - HTA - 30.2% - HTW - 45.7%
Rhys Stanley - HTA - 29.9% - HTW - 42.3%
Reilly O'Brien - HTA - 29.8% - HTW - 46.4%
Ned Reeves - HTA - 29.6% - HTW - 47.2%
Toby Nankervis - HTA - 29.5% - HTW - 48%
Tom Hickey - HTA - 28.2% - HTW - 34.1%
Darcy Cameron HTA - 27.4% - HTW - 39.5%
Mason Cox - HTA - 26.2% - HTW - 48.6%
Rowan Marshall - HTA - 25.6% - HTW - 44.6%

Edit - of interest Kieran Strachan - HTA - 27.5 % - HTW - 31.5%

 

[craig crowing]

Good
The way for most of 3 qtrs we totally dominated a top 4 team
TT and ROB contested marking .
Pedlar and Jones producing with the ability we always knew they had.
Our defence led by Doedee until floodgates opened in last qtr.
Pressure we applied to not allow them to create usual run and carry.
Bad
Goal kicking but more importantly poor choices with many selfish shots on goals when players in much better position .
Which not mentioned at Nicks or VB press conferences but hopefully addressed at review.
We all love the amazing talent of Rachelle but time to be reminded it is a team game and needs a re check on ego and application for whole game not expecting it to just happen .
We don't want our players as robots but as a previous poster stated that goal celebrations are with team mates especially those that gave you the opportunity not running at camera declaring how good am I .
Ugly
Our centre and throw in clearances or lack of them week in week out .
Keep throwing different players in there which maybe helped but it is structure that is wrong even with team has no regular ruck we couldn't get it to our advantage .
Not to mention how on throw ins especially in last qtr on wing where I was near on boundary all ROB had to do was get in front to get clearance or more likely get dumb Frampton to give a free away as all were short .
In VB press conference why not ask the midfield coach why our clearance numbers so bad .

 

[CrowBloke]

The elements of structure and general gameplay are there. The finer points, in game strategy, team selection are sorely missing.

As well as determined killer instinct.
After the Noble goal, Nicks went to water. Totally defensive. That spread through the team, all of whom would have seen Dawson go back. The message was "OK, let's shut up shop". Huge mistake. Imagine being Rankine (especially, because he has the tank) or Rachele and seeing Nicks shit the bed by putting the Old Guard in the middle (they got reamed!).

The Crows stopped doing everything that they'd been doing to get 22 points up, even after horrendous goalkicking.
It was a meek, Coach-driven fold-up.

About killer instinct. Nicks does not have it, ergo the Crows do not have it.
The only team we have really finished off (by 8+ goals) to capitalise on dominance was shell-shocked Carlton who had packed up their carpet-bags early in the last 1/4.

 

[CrowBloke]

Afterthought, on this: "O'Brien's inability to tap to, or to the advantage of our mids is a major problem".

He is an ex-BnF.
Everybody in BF knows how much of an advantage good, thoughtful ruck tapwork can be (think: Gawn).
How can O'Brien not, with the height and body he has?

 

[Banrock]

Their last-1/4 dominance is clear to see in the (depressing) numbers:
"... contested possessions (35-25), clearances (16-4), overall disposals (86-70), inside 50s (15-5), and on the scoreboard (3.6-1.1)".
After Jones put us up by 22 points, did they think they had it won? Did they stop?
The smashing in contested possessions and clearances (what does VB actually do?) suggests a drop in effort.

53/94 people above thought O'Brien played well. I was not one of them.
Posters have commented about his marking around the ground. While that's handy, it is NOT his primary role.

His inability to tap to, or to the advantage of our mids is a major problem.

I agree, with a bit over a minute to play and the ball just outside our 50 at a boundary throw in, he taps it back over his head into open space with only collingwood players there and in about 15 metres of space. He either didn't communicate to his onballers that is were he was going to hit so they could run onto it and put it inside 50 or they were expecting to have it hit towards boundary, hope for a clearance and hack kick into 50 that we could then potentially shutdown and only give us the opportunity to score and win the game.
Collingwood were able to push it forward and it gets to sidebottom to kick a point.