Toast Welcome to Hawthorn, Finn Maginness “absolute Hawthorn nuffie” and a Hawk to 2025

[naysayer]

Finn won’t beat a quick player over 20 metres. Finn’s big advantage though is he will just run all day.

Reality: Finn is not VERY quick when compared to many in the AFL and was not close to as quick as Rioli.

Reality: at the draft combine Finn ran the 20-metre sprint at 2.95 seconds. Weddle's time by comparison was 2.93. Rioli's time was 2.89.

They are all super times and show elite acceleration, regardless of whether we notice it in their game. I think it's one of the reasons why Finn's opponents have such a hard time finding space.

I think his athleticism and application, much like with Nash is the past will earn him a spot on the list because there is a lot to work with

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Reality: at the draft combine Finn ran the 20-metre sprint at 2.95 seconds. Weddle's time by comparison was 2.93. Rioli's time was 2.89.

They are all super times and show elite acceleration, regardless of whether we notice it in their game. I think it's one of the reasons why Finn's opponents have such a hard time finding space.

I think his athleticism and application, much like with Nash is the past will earn him a spot on the list because there is a lot to work with

Funnily Finns time there was good but also seen as an improvement. Where he focused and did so during work with thespeedproject.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Funnily Finns time there was good but also seen as an improvement. Where he focused and did so during work with thespeedproject.

 

[Alite]

Reality: at the draft combine Finn ran the 20-metre sprint at 2.95 seconds. Weddle's time by comparison was 2.93. Rioli's time was 2.89.

They are all super times and show elite acceleration, regardless of whether we notice it in their game. I think it's one of the reasons why Finn's opponents have such a hard time finding space.

I think his athleticism and application, much like with Nash is the past will earn him a spot on the list because there is a lot to work with

naysayer … watch the game again…. Rioli is much faster than Finn. But fin shut down his run.

 

[naysayer]

naysayer … watch the game again…. Rioli is much faster than Finn. But fin shut down his run.

Alite, I don't need to watch the game again. You said he wasn't very quick. He is. Combined with his endurance and strength, that's what allows him to tag so effectively.

This is not a very interesting conversation except to notice that a lot of fans perceive players they don't really like as slow. They also generally perceive young players as quick. I remember someone saying in 2019 that Scrimshaw brought speed to the backline.

 

[Alite]

Reality: at the draft combine Finn ran the 20-metre sprint at 2.95 seconds. Weddle's time by comparison was 2.93. Rioli's time was 2.89.

They are all super times and show elite acceleration, regardless of whether we notice it in their game. I think it's one of the reasons why Finn's opponents have such a hard time finding space.

I think his athleticism and application, much like with Nash is the past will earn him a spot on the list because there is a lot to work with

Reality: at the draft combine Finn ran the 20-metre sprint at 2.95 seconds. Weddle's time by comparison was 2.93. Rioli's time was 2.89.

They are all super times and show elite acceleration, regardless of whether we notice it in their game. I think it's one of the reasons why Finn's opponents have such a hard time finding space.

I think his athleticism and application, much like with Nash is the past will earn him a spot on the list because there is a lot to work with

Happy to tell you that Rioli is MUCH faster than Finn. It is not even close on speed. I continue to say Fin‘s value.

 

[naysayer]

Happy to tell you that Rioli is MUCH faster than Finn. It is not even close on speed. I continue to say Fin‘s value.

And there are Olympic athletes who are MUCH faster than both. Doesn't make either of them slow. You get me?

You said he wasn't very quick and it wasn't a good call. Let's move on, we agree that he's playing well.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Has done it twice it seems

 

[Dewyyyyy]

And there are Olympic athletes who are MUCH faster than both. Doesn't make either of them slow. You get me?

You said he wasn't very quick and it wasn't a good call. Let's move on, we agree that he's playing well.

Usain Bolt runs 44km/hr. Finn and I would assume most faster players, are recorded around the 39-40 mark. (Track running).

 

[Lawsy]

Usain Bolt runs 44km/hr. Finn and I would assume most faster players, are recorded around the 39-40 mark. (Track running).

Usain Bolt's average ground speed was 37.58km/h, whilst reaching a top speed of 44.72km/h in the 60-80m stretch.
I'm not sure of the fastest recorded 'top speed' in the AFL (real, not on the tracker as it has Charlie Comben, a 200cm 95kg forward reaching 37.8km/h - Rohan, I could believe that he did reach that speed but Comben is a stretch) but it would be a struggle to think if Bolt was able to average 37.58km/h over a 20m distance, any AFL player would be able to hit 39-40km/h at any point. That is extremely quick, well the fastest ever.
FWIW, Finn seems to have great acceleration and good speed i.e not slow and I think he would have a fairly high top speed but is probably not required to use it in his tagging role. He's there to grind his opponent into the ground, nullify their influence and basically be a glove and then burn them off later in the quarter.

 

[eldorado]

I have seen nothing to suggest that Finn is "very quick"

Perhaps he showed that at draft camp; in games, his pace is certainly appropriate for the level, but not noticeable as "very quick" compared to those he shares the field with.

Perhaps it one of those mental things, that he doesn't do what should be automatic.

He thinks too much about what he should do...this applies to when he has the ball in hand as much as anything, but maybe it applies to his sprinting as well

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Usain Bolt's average ground speed was 37.58km/h, whilst reaching a top speed of 44.72km/h in the 60-80m stretch.
I'm not sure of the fastest recorded 'top speed' in the AFL (real, not on the tracker as it has Charlie Comben, a 200cm 95kg forward reaching 37.8km/h - Rohan, I could believe that he did reach that speed but Comben is a stretch) but it would be a struggle to think if Bolt was able to average 37.58km/h over a 20m distance, any AFL player would be able to hit 39-40km/h at any point. That is extremely quick, well the fastest ever.
FWIW, Finn seems to have great acceleration and good speed i.e not slow and I think he would have a fairly high top speed but is probably not required to use it in his tagging role. He's there to grind his opponent into the ground, nullify their influence and basically be a glove and then burn them off later in the quarter.

It’s harder to get a high top speed playing footy, track wise quite a few athletes would reach 40. Finn was around that mark and it is super quick.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I have seen nothing to suggest that Finn is "very quick"

Perhaps he showed that at draft camp; in games, his pace is certainly appropriate for the level, but not noticeable as "very quick" compared to those he shares the field with.

Perhaps it one of those mental things, that he doesn't do what should be automatic.

He thinks too much about what he should do...this applies to when he has the ball in hand as much as anything, but maybe it applies to his sprinting as well

You’re correct, mental. Same with Ward who I saw as a confidence turn and go player who looked slow until he started gaining confidence. It’s a lot about backing yourself in, I do it myself and it’s extremely frustrating.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I don’t know what you guys are smoking in here, but if Rioli is breaking into space at 32 kmh, Finn isn’t anywhere near 39-40 kmh while in pursuit of him, and he wasn’t catching him whenever that happened.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I don’t know what you guys are smoking in here, but if Rioli is breaking into space at 32 kmh, Finn isn’t anywhere near 39-40 kmh while in pursuit of him, and he wasn’t catching him whenever that happened.

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Don’t think you read what was said really at all.

Finn recorded the times mentioned running on tracks, which is comparable because it’s 100% certain and is purely physical. It’s comparable to other pure runners.

The conversation is in regards to translating this to football, whether with or without ball in hand. Specifically with ball as it’s more eye catching.

It’s why it’s a mental thing, rather than physical capability.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Don’t think you read what was said really at all.

Finn recorded the times mentioned running on tracks, which is comparable because it’s 100% certain and is purely physical. It’s comparable to other pure runners.

The conversation is in regards to translating this to football, whether with or without ball in hand. Specifically with ball as it’s more eye catching.

It’s why it’s a mental thing, rather than physical capability.

He might be quicker on a running track with repetition, but simply put on the park when presented with an opponent who is fleet of foot he’s left wanting.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

I don’t know what you guys are smoking in here, but if Rioli is breaking into space at 32 kmh, Finn isn’t anywhere near 39-40 kmh while in pursuit of him, and he wasn’t catching him whenever that happened.

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Don't really need to catch him. Just be there so not used as an option. Which I saw Finn do numerous times on the weekend and Rioli wasn't used.

It is a fact that Rioli did sweet fa when Finn was on him. Even being the biggest Finn hater you'd have to admit that.

 

[cryptor]

I was watching the Finn and Rioli battle at times in the first half. Rioli was trying to lose him with his agility, cutting angles through traffic and doubling back. Smart by Rioli as his agility and acceleration was better than Finn's. But Finn played it pretty well, making sure to stay on the dangerous side and not give Rioli the space to be dangerous when he did get it. Kept him to less than half his season average for kicks and metres gained (without considering that he wasn't tagging him for the entire game).

 

[2OLD 2SLOW]

He might be quicker on a running track with repetition, but simply put on the park when presented with an opponent who is fleet of foot he’s left wanting.

... left wanting.



Seriously?
Finn's done the double on Shai Bolton and Daniel Rioli, and you say he's "left wanting."
Aside from jumping in a time machine and standing Peter Matera circa 92, not sure what he can do to impress some people.

Finn is definitely quick - in the first minute of the first quarter - and most impressively, deep in the last having run plenty of k's.

The proof of his speed on the weekend (and against Bolton) is the difficulty Rioli had in getting separation, bearing in mind Rioli is the attacking player, and Finn is literally following him. So Rioli effectively gets to say ready-set-go (normally enough of an advantage for the fleet of foot to get that yard or two they need).

Finn is far from perfect, but credit where its due ...

 

[Elhawko]

The time spent reading these messages has not been quick.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

He might be quicker on a running track with repetition, but simply put on the park when presented with an opponent who is fleet of foot he’s left wanting.

Track testing is the only real testing of his pure physical capabilities. On the field he often catches his opponents who have space which means they get used less. He also smartly positions himself in the dangerous positions so if they receive it they’re rushed and toward the non dangerous areas. The point is his mental side on the park makes him look slower than he is at times. Because physically he has no issues, he excels all over. Supporters and viewers are left wondering as well as probably Sam & himself. About translating his pace in game, with and without the ball.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

The time spent reading these messages has not been quick.

And Dom hasn't even entered the convo...

 

[Dewyyyyy]

... left wanting.

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Seriously?
Finn's done the double on Shai Bolton and Daniel Rioli, and you say he's "left wanting."
Aside from jumping in a time machine and standing Peter Matera circa 92, not sure what he can do to impress some people.

Finn is definitely quick - in the first minute of the first quarter - and most impressively, deep in the last having run plenty of k's.

The proof of his speed on the weekend (and against Bolton) is the difficulty Rioli had in getting separation, bearing in mind Rioli is the attacking player, and Finn is literally following him. So Rioli effectively gets to say ready-set-go (normally enough of an advantage for the fleet of foot to get that yard or two they need).

Finn is far from perfect, but credit where its due ...

Spot on. Without the ball, if you ever watch Finn. You can see he has some serious pace, he cuts separation extremely quickly, on top of his huge tank. His athletic profile shouldn’t ever be questioned. It’s translating his pace with all in hand, which I’m sure he’ll continue to do.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

And Dom hasn't even entered the convo...

Oops, the timing isn’t good here Roger.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Oops, the timing isn’t good here Roger.

Have you had a name change?