News Hawthorn in the media 2023

[Strapping Young Lad]

Please don’t bring Barrett’s sliding doors rubbish here. That’s not the Hawthorn footy club in the media.

That’s a desperate article, trying to get clicks every week.

 

[Nash88]

He’s trolling the tigers. Both teams seemed to have fair talent to work with in the twos

Whether he is trolling them or not it is the truth. Our young players, so far, are showing much more than what Richmond’s are. Their spine is in big trouble and Taranto/Hopper are very one dimensional.

The tigers are on the way down and we will be moving past them next season no doubt in my mind.

 

[FB19]

Richmond's days in the sun are done for quite a while IMO. They've got many holes to fill and a lot of guys at the end or very near the end of careers.
We will win a flag way before they ever will.


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Of the team playing yesterday in 5 years time when I expect we are at the pointy end their team won’t have
Dusty
Cotchin
Riewoldt
Soldo
McIntosh
Prestia
Pickett
Broad
Rioli
Grimes
Vlaustin

Add those not playing
Short
Lynch
Nankervis

Well done for your 2* premierships. Going to be back to usual programming for the tigers for hopefully another 36 years!

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[peetoo]

I’ve always valued Kane.

More worrying is kingy I saying the same. Double mozz

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[smish]

Sammy loves his spurs.

 

[peetoo]

Ange has a touch of glasgow about him now

 

[MasterSamurai]

Sam is spurs fan and watched all their games in the EPL. Go city though!

 

[spudmaster]

Probably getting some pointers on how to go about beating an opponent when you're not allowed to touch them.

 

[Mercy Seat]

Some great wraps given to Sam and the team from Daniel Hoyne from championship data on Sen just before.

Basically since round 2 we are:

3rd in the comp for ball movement

6th in contested ball

1st contested ball once hits deck

Also we have 4 of the best 50 players in the comp (Sicily, Jai, Amon and I missed the last).

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Some great wraps given to Sam and the team from Daniel Hoyne from championship data on Sen just before.

Basically since round 2 we are:

3rd in the comp for ball movement

6th in contested ball

1st contested ball once hits deck

Also we have 4 of the best 50 players in the comp (Sicily, Jai, Amon and I missed the last).

 

[The Chad and I]

If we had a functioning forward line we'd be pushing for the 8 next season.

 

[matey]

Some great wraps given to Sam and the team from Daniel Hoyne from championship data on Sen just before.

Basically since round 2 we are:

3rd in the comp for ball movement

6th in contested ball

1st contested ball once hits deck

Also we have 4 of the best 50 players in the comp (Sicily, Jai, Amon and I missed the last).

That was good radio and he gave Wardy a bit of wrap too . He also mentioned that we use the corridor more than most so for a young side Hawks fans should be happy.

 

[MasterSamurai]

İt excites me knowing we have abundance of talent coming through.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

i battled for Moore being a top 50 player all last year but this year he's a little bit off the boil to my eye. wonder what it is CD measures that's keeping him tiered as elite considering he's kicking half as many goals

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Moore has had a disappointing season compared to his 2022 season, though he's still been good for a HFF.

As for that CD list, I think it would be easy to pick 50 players that have had better seasons to date.

Sicily and Newcombe would definitely be in the top 50 players this season though.

Edit: having a look I would say Moore would be at the very back end of the top 100, if he was lucky.

 

[PenAndPaper]

i battled for Moore being a top 50 player all last year but this year he's a little bit off the boil to my eye. wonder what it is CD measures that's keeping him tiered as elite considering he's kicking half as many goals

Think its because he is playing higher up the field this year. Think he has been ok but form has fluctuated a bit.

 

[matey]

Moore has had a disappointing compared to his 2022 season, though he's still been good for a HFF.

As for that CD list, I think it would be easy to pick 50 players that have had better seasons to date.

Sicily and Newcombe would definitely be in the top 50 players this season though.

Based on Healey and Cornes reaction after Hoyne mentioned Newk’s name ……. he will be a respected player among oppo supporters!

 

[FB19]

i battled for Moore being a top 50 player all last year but this year he's a little bit off the boil to my eye. wonder what it is CD measures that's keeping him tiered as elite considering he's kicking half as many goals

Depends how much value you place on Champion Data i place very little. The best measurements are precise and adjusted against expectations, roles etc. I find it to be very vague they don’t even publish how it’s measured.
Sorry the incredibly precise published definition of disposal efficiency is below. Don’t waste your time with it.

 

[KermitJagger]

Depends how much value you place on Champion Data i place very little. The best measurements are precise and adjusted against expectations, roles etc. I find it to be very vague they don’t even publish how it’s measured.
Sorry the incredibly precise published definition of disposal efficiency is below. Don’t waste your time with it.

It's not really prejudiced against role, the point is that it's attempting to be less prejudiced against role - it's certainly less so than simply measuring by disposals, super coach score or fantasy score.

I think that Hoyne actually got this wrong though, according to the official Champion Data ratings we do have 4 players their ratings consider to be top 50 but they're Newc, Sicily, Worpel and Day. Maybe he's referring to a specific period of time but just didn't mention it? Not sure.

 

[KermitJagger]

Moore has had a disappointing compared to his 2022 season, though he's still been good for a HFF.

As for that CD list, I think it would be easy to pick 50 players that have had better seasons to date.

Sicily and Newcombe would definitely be in the top 50 players this season though.

Edit: having a look I would say Moore would be at the very back end of the top 100, if he was lucky.

I have a feeling that Hoyne is using a measurement that runs over 2 years, they used to list that one on the AFL website but they don't anymore. It would explain why Moore is rated higher considering how well he was rated last year. According to their ratings for this year he isn't even in the top 100 and neither is Amon.

 

[Mercy Seat]

It's not really prejudiced against role, the point is that it's attempting to be less prejudiced against role - it's certainly less so than simply measuring by disposals, super coach score or fantasy score.

I think that Hoyne actually got this wrong though, according to the official Champion Data ratings we do have 4 players their ratings consider to be top 50 but they're Newc, Sicily, Worpel and Day. Maybe he's referring to a specific period of time but just didn't mention it? Not sure.

He said it was under the “new rating system” that they are rolling out. Not sure much beyond that.

 

[KermitJagger]

He said it was under the “new rating system” that they are rolling out. Not sure much beyond that.

I don't get the Moore inclusion, then. Probably his worst year in his 3 year break out period.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Hoyne said that the system is an expectation rating. Not literal output.

 

[KermitJagger]

Hoyne said that the system is an expectation rating. Not literal output.

I try to defend Champion Data where I can but it doesn't help when Hoyne uses multiple different models, in particular models that aren't the publicly available one which most people refer to