Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott

[faible]

Scott isn’t the player’s friend in the Craig McRae mould.

Important one here; Rutten was also more of a nurturing coach like McRae. Just the wrong kind of attitude for the playing group we have, suspect Rutten would have been more suited to a mature group that had a good basis in standards (like Collingwood did when McRae came in) than EFC post Worsfold.

 

[ant555]

That's a good way to rationalise the same old bad decisions

Think we should wait and see . He had no input on last year’s list changes and given the limited spots there will not be a lot this year although I know you will jump up and down if the sign Parish and BZT.

 

[ant555]

Important one here; Rutten was also more of a nurturing coach like McRae. Just the wrong kind of attitude for the playing group we have, suspect Rutten would have been more suited to a mature group that had a good basis in standards (like Collingwood did when McRae came in) than EFC post Worsfold.

Interesting side note to this. When he first came to us he was sent to do a man management course because it was thought one of his weak areas was being too hard and lacking the skills to build relationships.
Guess they took it too far .

 

[faible]

Interesting side note to this. When he first came to us he was sent to do a man management course because it was thought one of his weak areas was being too hard and lacking the skills to build relationships.
Guess t gf ey took it too far .

There's certainly an irony if that's the case.

 

[bommer16]

Players weren’t turning up on time?! The more we find out..

It must have been difficult for the playing group. Just not motivated.

 

[BrunoV]

Think we should wait and see . He had no input on last year’s list changes and given the limited spots there will not be a lot this year although I know you will jump up and down if the sign Parish and BZT.

The problem is that we've been having the same argument for 10 years.

The conventional wisdom, and I'm not being condescending in referencing it, has failed spectacularly. It may work elsewhere or be justifiable but Essendon has at least 10 years of evidence that a different approach is required.

There is always a reason we can't do x and y and that inertia is justified.

 

[ant555]

The problem is, ant, we've been having the same argument for 10 years.

The conventional wisdom, and I'm not being condescending in referencing it, has failed spectacularly.

There is always a reason we can't do x and y or that inertia is justified.

It may fail again but you can not change 90% of the back office staff and just say it will happen again because it always happens.
Each fail has to be treated on its own .

 

[yodellinhank]

Interesting side note to this. When he first came to us he was sent to do a man management course because it was thought one of his weak areas was being too hard and lacking the skills to build relationships.
Guess they took it too far .

Empathy destroyed any chance he had.

 

[Lore]

Interesting side note to this. When he first came to us he was sent to do a man management course because it was thought one of his weak areas was being too hard and lacking the skills to build relationships.
Guess they took it too far .

The entire club has been over-indexing on relationships to the point of lacking professional standards for decades. Sheedy and Dodoro's positions at the club are based on relationships, not standards. Rutten's re-education was another symptom of a focus on relationships without standards. The way the suspended players were handled in the fall out of the saga was again, relationships over standards. Hiring Worsfold. Extending Worsfold. Succession plan. Daniher retention. XC's leadership also focused in the area of public relations, with zero accountability even to his own five year plans, let alone anything the members might have expected.

It's so engrained it's cultural, it transcends any one individual.

There's a mountain between a focus on building rapport and having no standards though. You can have both... we just haven't.

It's pretty damned close to a miracle that Merrett re-signed in 2021.

 

[citizen-erased]

it's a weird one this year. Were legit top 5, and should take some positives that but for a kick there's 12pts there & we're still top 5.
And we've lost Wright, Parish, Setterfield, Draper, Shiel, Stringer and Ridley for stretches, haven't blooded a top 5 pick yet and only just getting Cox back in as a top 10 pick.

We're mathematically still a chance yet it feels like the siren last week closed our season.

In 12m, Brad's made enormous strides, and has many more to go.
To the point, what we're getting now is what we needed in 2017 but wasn't really available in Woosha

 

[Lance Uppercut]

And true to form we'll end up with pick 10 because the AFL arbitrarily give out picks to a few clubs.

Or we'll pick another skinny flanker.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

That's a bit outdated, Kong.

We'll pick 4 skinny tall defenders or the equivalent of Parish, Francis and McGrath with picks 1 and 5 and 6.

I feel the need to vomit thinking about the top 10 recruiting we have done.

Francis over Curnow was a good 'un

 

[DERO]

Curnow, Weitwring, McKay, Cunningham and Son of sos in one draft is a pretty good haul.

 

[bombreys]

Interesting side note to this. When he first came to us he was sent to do a man management course because it was thought one of his weak areas was being too hard and lacking the skills to build relationships.
Guess they took it too far .

 

[I Remember Bluey]

On AFL360 coaches night Monday 7th Aug.

 

[frodos gardener]

He seems to rely quite heavily on trial and error as a coach. It isn’t a bad thing as a whole, as he seems to get to the right outcome, even if feels a little slow at times.

Obviously also loves data and data-gathering; I’m sure he has mentioned from the start about not making decisions without enough data. I’m very interested in any decisions he makes once he has a season’s worth of it

 

[MiguelM]

He seems to rely quite heavily on trial and error as a coach. It isn’t a bad thing as a whole, as he seems to get to the right outcome, even if feels a little slow at times.

Obviously also loves data and data-gathering; I’m sure he has mentioned from the start about not making decisions without enough data. I’m very interested in any decisions he makes once he has a season’s worth of it

I have 4 data groups he can start with:

Forward pressure/tackles
Contested marking
Inside 50s
Efficiency inside 50

 

[Lore]

He seems to rely quite heavily on trial and error as a coach. It isn’t a bad thing as a whole, as he seems to get to the right outcome, even if feels a little slow at times.

Obviously also loves data and data-gathering; I’m sure he has mentioned from the start about not making decisions without enough data. I’m very interested in any decisions he makes once he has a season’s worth of it

There are incremental changes happening every week, within and between games which are interesting to observe. Always moving and changing and responding to issues and being proactive.

The big changes are the ones that seem reactionary, like dropping Jones or Weideman long after the forum has long since lost its collective mind about it. To be fair on that score, there weren't a lot of levers available to pull until Wright was healthy, and even then they didn't really gel with both of them plus two rucks.

Probably we'd be more understanding of why big changes aren't being made if we were made aware of the incremental changes and decision making that goes on behind the scenes, although you do get little hints of it sometimes in the member videos. If they're being told to do something and they do it, you can't really penalise them for that, right?

 

[maskmcgee]

Says the right stuff in the press conference. Waiting to see if it actually shows up next week.

 

[Keystone agony]

Says the right stuff in the press conference. Waiting to see if it actually shows up next week.

When your a bottom 8 side mark the season on performances when finals are still very realistic rather than when they're not, no?

 

[Zach Package]

Some of the things he’s doing at the moment are dead set lunacy.

But he’s the lunatic we wanted.

 

[Keystone agony]

Some of the things he’s doing at the moment are dead set lunacy.

But he’s the lunatic we wanted.

Like?

 

[jdstorm]

I’d say Brad has a 4 year plan.

Year 1. Play the best possible team every week, try and work out where every players best position/most productive position is and get a real sense of the list

Year 1. Offseason. Make choices to progress the list.
Path A: Blow up list: trade productive vets you’ve showcased at a higher value to bring in more young talent around a few cornerstone players.
Path B: you like your key talent, bring in a Free agent, spend to the cap and try and build depth to contend.

I’m not sure which path they’d do at this point. At full health (and with McKay) there’s a fair bit of high potential/ceiling talent (McKay, Cox, Ridley, Redman, Merrett, Hobbs, Parish, Martin, Tsatas, Perkins, Wright, Langford, Bryan, Draper + a top 10 pick this year.

 

[bombadeer]

I’d say Brad has a 4 year plan.

Year 1. Play the best possible team every week, try and work out where every players best position/most productive position is and get a real sense of the list

Year 1. Offseason. Make choices to progress the list.
Path A: Blow up list: trade productive vets you’ve showcased at a higher value to bring in more young talent around a few cornerstone players.
Path B: you like your key talent, bring in a Free agent, spend to the cap and try and build depth to contend.

I’m not sure which path they’d do at this point. At full health (and with McKay) there’s a fair bit of high potential/ceiling talent (McKay, Cox, Ridley, Redman, Merrett, Hobbs, Parish, Martin, Tsatas, Perkins, Wright, Langford, Bryan, Draper + a top 10 pick this year.

The Essendon board heard about path A, and will have chosen B sight unseen.

 

[Zach Package]

Like?

Kelly wing, Cox back just enough to look really composed, calm and comfortable and then surprise wing, Heppell unimpeachable no matter how many goals he directly causes, Laverde starting on Allen and not Darling.

They are obtuse at best, at worst it’s the kind of thing you do if you are actively tanking.