List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part II

[gringo2011]

It's confusing looking back on past years now due to future trading. But I think we came out of that year with Higgo and Crouch mainly.

We dropped back from 17 to 21 and lost a second. Probably a really good trade in hindsight.

Although looks like Max Holmes did go at that pick (its hard to work out after NGA bids)

No one else in between looks any good currently anyway.

Still not happy with the player we selected though. He was really speculative when we weren't really in a position to roll the dice. I think we had the attitude that we did a couple of good trades so didn't give a shit about the draft. The way to move forward properly is to over achieve in everything you do. Not get a few things right here and there. Nail three or four players a year from trades, draft and rookies and you are progressing quickly.

2021 was a hit it out of the park draft/ trade period. We paid for Snags with a second rounder, Heath and Sharman in the MS rookie draft, Nas, Chito and Windhager and Oscar Adams late. That was Toce's first draft and he made just about every selection a winner. Adams is the only iffy one and he's still got something going for him.

Baked it up last year too. Phillipou nearly picked himself but Hotton, Van Es and Keeler with Stocker and Caminiti off the preseason supplementary list and McLennan as a cat B rookie looks another with the potential to have at least 3 x 100+ game players and a couple with genuine star potential.

 

[Remboy]

I don’t disagree on not rating the list, at least to the extent that we’re positioned for a flag within X years. Lots of building around King, Chito etc.

But it’s very funny that we’re still 6th.

And have been all year.

 

[Seb77]

Let’s offer Flanders everything, please


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[BrutThough]

Seeing 10 minutes of Henry today, combining him with Sinclair/NWM/Hill would be such a good combination. Our ball movement would be elite.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Flanders and Henry please !

 

[saintmike65]

I don’t know - didn’t we pick up Frawley at about 40 years old?

Yeah and look how that turned out!!

 

[saintmike65]

Seeing 10 minutes of Henry today, combining him with Sinclair/NWM/Hill would be such a good combination. Our ball movement would be elite.

I’m at that game & keeping a very close eye on him

 

[Speck]

Henry, Dow, a backup KPD (assuming Howard goes) and another starting mid (Parish/Flanders/Smith) would be a great trade haul. The last one to me is still the most important (and given it's a non-mid heavy draft you have to consider trading our first unless you move up significantly).

A starting midfield of Steele (hopefully finds his form in the preseason), Crouch, Parish/Flanders/Smith, Owens then Dow/Ross/Clark/Phillipou/Windhager makes me feel a lot better. Strengthens us while still allowing us to look towards the future.

I'd consider Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

if we can’t land a bigger midfield fish.

 

[Joffaboy]

Seeing 10 minutes of Henry today, combining him with Sinclair/NWM/Hill would be such a good combination. Our ball movement would be elite.

Yep watching him v Hawks was about to post the same thing.
Looks very balanced and neat.

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[Coconut_twirl]

if it makes you feel better the 2020 draft looks very weak and really, after our M.Allison pick there’s not much we’ve missed out on. Errol Gulden at 30 odd but he’s a swans academy.

Who did better with consecutive top 10 picks
Saints - Coffield, Clarke
Bombers - Perkins, Cox

Not surprising with covid lockdowns and very little footy played in the state leagues in Victoria.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Won’t get Flanders now. Suns will offer him the Earth. I’d throw a future first almost for Flanders. Back the Saints to rise up the ladder in 2024.

 

[bird_man]

Won’t get Flanders now. Subs will offer him the Earth. I’d throw a future first almost for Flanders. Back the Saints to rise up the ladder in 2024.

I'd happily give up this year first considering the draft.

Very little midfield talent and there's a very good chance our pick end up around 15/16 after academy picks.

 

[Bertha]

I'd happily give up this year first considering the draft.

Very little midfield talent and there's a very good chance our pick end up around 15/16 after academy picks.

Yeah, I agree, I don't get it, if it's a shallow draft for midfielder and we need midfielders, then surely this is the year to trade for midfielders rather than go to the draft and pickup someone who's not a midfielder.

Unless we think we can get something for big Doug, good compo for Gresh and package that up with our first to get back inside the top 10. Maybe that's the strategy, but the better we do in the finals, the less sense it makes to hit the draft at that point. I'd even swap our first for the Suns first next year and go to the well in a year.

 

[The Boar]

Don’t see how Tomlinson improves our list at all. He’s had many chances to come to us. No thanks

Tomlinson doesn't, he's a competitive stop gap whilst Van Es comes on.

What improves our list is removing Dougal Howard for a late 1st / early 2nd.

Tomlinson allows Howard to go.

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[Dard Ball Get]

Carn Flanders, your mob can’t even beat Nick Larkey

20

Nick Larkey

Age

26

Ht

198cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.5

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.9

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.5

3star

G

1.4

5star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.8

3star

K

4.2

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

0.8

4star

 

[SaintBenny]

I remember Ben Long

22

Ben Long

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.9

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.7

4star

MG

166.8

3star

D

12.8

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

129.0

2star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

3.2

5star

MG

223.0

4star

had a huge last game when nothing was on the line. Maybe it's a Gold Coast player thing.

Would still like Flanders though

 

[gringo2011]

Kai Lohman getting a run. I get to see him up close in the seniors.

 

[bird_man]

That's utter madness, he is lucky to be on the list IMO

Looked ok tonight for a player lucky to be on a list

 

[HunterClarksHeadband]

Bumped into McCartney (GWS GM) in the lounge before my flight home this morning.
Had a chat about footy, brought up Jack Steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

and he said the news he's been hearing recently is we're trying to get rid of him...
Watch this space on the Steele rumours I guess lmao

 

[DougalHoward]

Bumped into McCartney (GWS GM) in the lounge before my flight home this morning.
Had a chat about footy, brought up Jack Steele and he said the news he's been hearing recently is we're trying to get rid of him...
Watch this space on the Steele rumours I guess lmao

Cal Twomey's on the money

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Bumped into McCartney (GWS GM) in the lounge before my flight home this morning.
Had a chat about footy, brought up Jack Steele and he said the news he's been hearing recently is we're trying to get rid of him...
Watch this space on the Steele rumours I guess lmao

Would ruffle some feathers ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)‎

 

[Joffaboy]

Cal Twomey's on the money

More like McCartney heard Towmey

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[saintmike65]

Cal Twomey's on the money

Pretty sure Steele is signed up for multiple years…besides, why would you trade your skipper??

 

[jwikked]

Pretty sure Steele is signed up for multiple years…besides, why would you trade your skipper??

The guy is only captain because we have had a total lack of leadership over the last decade. If you ranked all the clubs captains, he'd probably be near the bottom of that list. Being skipper means nothing in this case.

 

[gringo2011]

Pretty sure Steele is signed up for multiple years…besides, why would you trade your skipper??

There are a few players that don't seem to be as highly rated by list management as the general public it seems. You'd certainly want some premium mids already lined up if you were moving him on. I hope we don't gut the list off the back of one season of kids out performing the usual standard.

He seems to have good attitude and is defensive so can't wok out why Lyon would consider it. In all likelihood it might be a way for Lyon to give him a good hard kick up the arse and drive him to be the absolute best he can be. He has been developed in sides that as long as you got through being vaguely competitive you got called a star. Trying to extract that last 30% is harder with some players.