List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread II - Goldy&Bucket➡️✅/'24 EoFR & #44➡️Stephens&#25✅/#21&#25➡️Fisher&#17✅/'24 EoFR➡️#18✅

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[Makeshift Park]

I think end of the day we'll have Reid as our number one target so can't see why we would help any club procure him bar the Eagles who already own him.

I think the two questions we should be asking ourselves are these:

1) Is it possible for us to get a better draft haul if we allow WC and the Dees to take Reid and Curtin off the table?

2) If so, what would it take? Is three of McKercher, Sanders, Watson, Duursma, O'Sullivan and Caddy enough? What about four?

 

[DesertRoo]

West Coast would still have the same concern regarding McKercher returning to Tasmania if and when they raise their AFL team.

would be a hard sell to move from wce to a start up.

 

[krakouers]

If he picks Adel, what could they offer for pick 2/3?

would be a hard sell to move from wce to a start up.

I’d assume when he does though, he would have enough money to convince him to

 

[tiltraise]

I think the two questions we should be asking ourselves are these:

1) Is it possible for us to get a better draft haul if we allow WC and the Dees to take Reid and Curtin off the table?

2) If so, what would it take? Is three of McKercher, Sanders, Watson, Duursma, O'Sullivan and Caddy enough? What about four?

I think there is somewhat of a consensus that McKercher is a good fit for us.

Id take him plus 2 of the others listed surely we can make that happen?

 

[The b shart]

If he picks Adel, what could they offer for pick 2/3?


I’d assume when he does though, he would have enough money to convince him to

Rochelle as a start

 

[New_Roo]

I think you're kidding yourself if you think more than 10% of North supporters have even heard of McKercher.

And if they have heard of him, have seen him play live not just snippets of best bits on YouTube


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[DesertRoo]

If he picks Adel, what could they offer for pick 2/3?


I’d assume when he does though, he would have enough money to convince him to

I’m not sure of the equivalent of the HJ franchise down in Tassie but they’d be up against it.

 

[krakouers]

I’m not sure of the equivalent of the HJ franchise down in Tassie but they’d be up against it.

I’m sure he will get a very healthy % of the cap to move back home
50% shares in a Spirit of Tassie ferry?

 

[Its a Process]

Rochelle as a start

Max Michalanney

 

[Samsquanch]

I’m not sure of the equivalent of the HJ franchise down in Tassie but they’d be up against it.

Legs 'n' Breasts Fried Chicken in Main Road Moonah?

 

[The Filth Wizard]

I think the two questions we should be asking ourselves are these:

1) Is it possible for us to get a better draft haul if we allow WC and the Dees to take Reid and Curtin off the table?

2) If so, what would it take? Is three of McKercher, Sanders, Watson, Duursma, O'Sullivan and Caddy enough? What about four?

The problem there is you need other clubs to come into the argument to get us at least one other solid top 5 pick because the assets available to get 2 from us are basically 5 (which will end up 7 or 8 and out of the "prime five") from the Dees and then a whole lot of token mid-late first rounders.

Just feels like we would need to do a lot of work to put lipstick on a pig when we already have premium assets and likely want the same prize.

 

[tiltraise]

The problem there is you need other clubs to come into the argument to get us at least one other solid top 5 pick because the assets available to get 2 from us are basically 5 (which will end up 7 or 8 and out of the "prime five") from the Dees and then a whole lot of token mid-late first rounders.

Just feels like we would need to do a lot of work to put lipstick on a pig when we already have premium assets and likely want the same prize.

To be fair those mid-late 1st rounders have value to GC who themselves have a premium asset on the market.

 

[krakouers]

The problem there is you need other clubs to come into the argument to get us at least one other solid top 5 pick because the assets available to get 2 from us are basically 5 (which will end up 7 or 8 and out of the "prime five") from the Dees and then a whole lot of token mid-late first rounders.

Just feels like we would need to do a lot of work to put lipstick on a pig when we already have premium assets and likely want the same prize.

 

[tiltraise]

Is it better to have

A) 2, 3, 15
B) 2, 5, 6

 

[My Left Foote]

Could we help Hawks get Reid?

In: 4, F1 (Haw), Darling (partial salary dump)
Out: 2, PP 19

Remind me again why we're helping Hawthorn get the best payer in the draft?

 

[The Filth Wizard]

To be fair those mid-late 1st rounders have value to GC who themselves have a premium asset on the market.

Yah, it would be key. If they go with the Dogs though then we're behind the 8-ball.

 

[roos_tt29]

Is it better to have

A) 2, 3, 15
B) 2, 5, 6

I think it depends on who you want.

If there's 2 of 3 players you really want with 2 and 3 (say Reid, Curtin and Watson) and you feel you can still get something good at 15 then A.

If you think value say 5-6 players really highly, then maybe B is a better hand.

Depends on the situation.

 

[tiltraise]

Remind me again why we're helping Hawthorn the best payer in the draft?

We are using our draft hand and the motivations of others to increase our overall portfolio.

 

[roos_tt29]

Remind me again why we're helping Hawthorn the best payer in the draft?

Good point - they'll be one of the team's we might be competing with if/when we rise up the ladder - similar trajectory. Definitely something to consider in trades.

 

[Del191229]

The best option is to let the Dogs spend the farm to trade up to 4 to get Watson, then take him with 3.

 

[My Left Foote]

I think 99% of North supporters are hell-bent on having McKercher in blue and white next year tbh.

There's some that want Reid at any cost, but I feel that's the extreme minority.

Given the picks we have and the gaps in our list I feel as good as Reid is we can live without him whereas I don't think we can live without McKercher.

 

[Its a Process]

Is it better to have

A) 2, 3, 15
B) 2, 5, 6

B)

 

[The Filth Wizard]

The best option is to let the Dogs spend the farm to trade up to 4 to get Watson, then take him with 3.

To be honest I doubt they care who they draft there. For them they are gifted a chance to trade picks they won't use this year and a (likely) high future first into a top 5 talent. I personally think they're hoping Duursma falls out.

 

[tiltraise]

The best option is to let the Dogs spend the farm to trade up to 4 to get Watson, then take him with 3.

In that scenario surely its better to tell dogs we are taking Wiz at 3 thus they can trade up with us instead?

 

[Makeshift Park]

I think there is somewhat of a consensus that McKercher is a good fit for us.

Id take him plus 2 of the others listed surely we can make that happen?

I guess the issue is, as I think the FWiz alluded to above, if we give up 2, we have to be prepared for WC to take Kerch instead of Curtin.

As their supporters keep reminding us, the Eagles need midfielders.

The problem there is you need other clubs to come into the argument to get us at least one other solid top 5 pick because the assets available to get 2 from us are basically 5 (which will end up 7 or 8 and out of the "prime five") from the Dees and then a whole lot of token mid-late first rounders.

Just feels like we would need to do a lot of work to put lipstick on a pig when we already have premium assets and likely want the same prize.

Okay so I'm running on the assumption that GC is also party to the deal. For example:

Step 1) Crows roll their picks together to get pick 4 from GC. Crows trade 4 plus whatever to the Dees for Oliver.

Step 2) Megatrade between Dees, NM and WC (I'm ignoring the steak knives)

NM get 4 and 5, give 2 and 19 (Note: 4 and 5 are really 6 and 7 after Mckay compo and Walter bid)
WC get 2 and 13 and 19
Dees get 1

Would WC agree to something like that? Genuine question.

So I guess the question as far as our interests are concerned could be re-framed as "Are picks 3, 6 and 7, better than picks 2 and 3?"

I'm no underage footy expert, but I remember a post that Souup made in the draft thread a little while back:

Tier 1
______
Reid
Walter

Tier 2
______
Watson
Sanders
Mckercher

Tier 3
_______
Darcy Wilson
Mitch Edwards
Nate Caddy
Ethan Read
Duursma
O'Sullivan
Curtin

Tier 4
_______
Joel Freijah
Angus Hastie
Will Green
Murphy
Windsor
Croft
Leake
Roberts

I'd be taking two of the guys in tier 2 over trading up for Reid personally. I'd trade down if you could guarantee someone from tier 3.

If we let the Dees have 1 and WC 2, in the worst possible scenario, WC take Kerch at 2, and we'd still get Watson, Sanders and our favourite out of tier 3.

If so, I'm imagining the draft runs something like this:

1 Reid (Dees)
2 Walter (GC match)
3 Kerch or Curtin (WC)
4 Watson (NM - or maybe Kerch if WC don't take him)
5 Duursma (Hawks)

Then North gets a choice of ANY TWO of these: Sanders, Caddy, O'Sullivan, and whoever is leftover out of Watson and Curtin.

So in that scenario, perhaps 3, 6 and 7 are better than Reid plus Kerch or Watson?