List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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Our biggest Q is what to do with our 2nd rounder.
My feeling is that there's a lot of vic guys around the mark, maybe a Lual or some tweener hbf athletic type.

But can see us plucking a good old fashioned nobody citing lack of depth only to see the picks around us turn out to be useful players.
 
dinnaz said:
You'll be de-listing them in 3 seasons after blowing them on speculative choices?

Cos we would
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This would be a change for North. We’re pretty good at far-too-long contracts. Oh and front ended so these guys can buy a house.

Get_The_Gaff said:
Any non WA club would be stupid to take collard .
He couldn't even go over east for 10 days during the u18s carnival without coming home early
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Aye, I’ve heard the talk. It’ll be solely a Clarko call I reckon. Got a little WA core at the moment and they might be buoyed by Bobby Hansen Jr settling in so far but the risk might not be worth it. Eventually though we’ve all got to stop worrying about our recruits wanting to go home, something I genuinely don’t think you’ll have to worry if you end up JTR.
 
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CountryLad said:
“Join in the chorus and sing it one and all
Join in the chorus West Coast is on the ball”


It’s definitely an improvement on the current version of our own song.

Plus we get picks 2,3,15,17 & 18. Winning
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Should also take their special handshake while we're at it:
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I really like Collard as a pick and I’d love to be watching that level of skill for WC.
Over the last 12/13 years, we’ve invested in numerous young small/medium forwards, Gerrick Weedon, Adam Carter, Ryan Neates, Murray Newman, Ah Chee, Josh Hill, Malcom Karpany, Jamie Cripps, Jarrod Cameron, Willie Rioli, Liam Ryan, Zac Landon, SPS, Isiah Winder, there’s probably more I’ve missed.
Cripps has been amazing, Ryan too when he’s switched on and not injured, Rioli was one my favourite players, until he’s stuffed up and then chucked us under the bus, Hill had some very good games in his time.
But that sure leaves a whole heap of selections that never really fired a shot, a lot of those were later draft picks.
I know this is easy to say, but we wouldn’t have won the 2018 GF without the contributions of Cripps, Ryan and Rioli.
I believe quality HFF/forward pocket players are huge in the modern game, just look at this years Norm Smith medalist.
If the West Coast recruiters believe Collard is a real talent, then I’m more than ok with taking him with our 2nd pick.
 

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AsterixTheGaul said:
I love the fact that Brizkent is advocating splitting top end picks. Less this year and more next year if I read his explanations correctly. I might not have read it perfectly the first time which is possibly why I am so grateful for the repeated explanations.

Let us look at the Lion's list and see why they might have done so well.

1. They rorted the system with Daniher and the FA. They put a contract together for the Drug Rats to get to get band 1 compensation and then changed the contract later that year to reduce the $ per year and lengthen the years which in all likelihood would have got the Drug Rats end of round 1 and likely they match. Do you think Dodoro was in on that rort?

2. They rorted the system with Gunston who was a UFA and in order to not revoke the NotStay compensation, the gave the Hawks some go quietly late pick. Not against the rules but morally wrong.

3. They got the best player in the draft in Ashcroft as a Father/Son deal at pick 2 while GWS picked the 5th or later best player at 1 to make him and the club feel good about climbing up the board to get someone very average. Lions also got another F/S rising star nominee in Fletcher. I think that is called being kissed three times on the old fellah.

4. In 2016 when armed with pick 2, GWS did Brisbane a massive favour in targeting McGrath as a high need. GWS were so full of great midfielders on massive contracts that they needed a half back flanker to balance the team and got a hard on for Andy. So desperately that they gave up a later first rounder to get from 2 to 3. Ever luckier for Brisbane was the ego of Dodoro who did not want to be seen to be giving away the golden ticket to the new boys. Let's be clear, McCluggage had been seen as the best in his cohort for months and every club except the Drug Rats knew it. GWS could afford being selective so list balance was more important. Imagine what Dodoro would have knocked back from moving from 1 to 2? At least 1 first round pick and it might have meant that Dodoro would not have needed to send 2 first round picks to GWS for Dylan Shiel (9 and 14). So that mistake cost Essendon 3 first round picks. Anyway, Lions got McCluggage and Berry out of that deal.

Can the above be considered splitting a high end pick or is it splitting your sides laughing at the stupidity of Essendon?


5. 5 Academy picks that non-Qld/NSW teams cannot get. These players were Andrews, Himmelberg, Payne, Colman and Zorko (slightly different rules). Payne helped get them to the GF but was injured - I think he did enough to suggest it helped the Lions.

6. Port have had a habit of underpaying present players and overpaying for free agents. A toxic captain that they did well to exit out of the club and again kissed on the old fellah with an end of R1 compensation. Funny how a club funded by the AFL finishing with the wooded spoon gets a favourable FA pick.

7. Knowing they have Ashcroft II coming in 2024, they can already start shaping their 2023 draft hand an be happy with late picks.

So in all of the Lion's moves, I am not really sure how they are pertinent to our situation.


Other top end draft decisions -
- 2018 with a really great top end draft they traded out of the Rozee (5) and then the Ben King (6) picks to land Neale.
- 2017 they missed the chance to split in 2018 when faced with a very average Raynor (but to be fair he was favourite to be pick 1) when and a split would have been desirable. Not sure if it was on offer but Carlton had 3 and 10 and Saints had 7 and 8. Not saying who was taken at that pick were right but depth in the draft would have been worthwhile splitting. To be fair, they picked up Zac Bailey and Starcevich in late R1 picks that year. Just imagine if they had of ended up with Brayshaw, Oscar Allen, Bailey and Starcevich out of that draft!!
- 2015 Josh Schacke was a bust and the Lions got sucked into the Ï will continue my father's legacy" story.


So none of these really help us now. The absence of an real academy means we cannot trade in points which is such a huge advantage to the northern clubs.


What are our options for getting better in a shorter time?

In 2022 when we traded out of pick 2 last year, we had the mummy's boys not wanting to leave and a very even dozen or so. It made sense to split and we did well.

With 2023, we have had offers for the Harley ticket and the Norf beggar bowl picks are a joke. Hawks have come up with the best offer but early days. I expect Norf to come up with a better offer but not 2 and 3 which is why we will not split.

Being a better WA option that Fremantle. Thanks to Pirate Feather Bell, we are ahead of the Violet Crumbles and should continue to be. I expect Brockman to be the start of a steady stream of talent returning home wanting to be Eagles.

We now have a mid season draft and getting Culley and Maric feel like we have already got 2 extra R2 players. Not expecting A Grade but seeing genuine 100 plus games in Maric and hopefully the same for Culley. I can see us getting another early pick in 2024 mid season draft.

Knowing more about the local players in their draft years. We seem to have some success with Ginbey and Hewett. With some luck, Don Pyke comes in and repairs relationships with the WAFL clubs.

Salary Cap. Eagles and Essendon are the only 2 who have not put the EBA increase trigger in majority of contracts. This hurt in Covid days but will come back and be a great assistance in future years. There will be loads of agents wanting to bring their players to the club as we will be able to pay more.

Loyalty - we have an extremely good retention history. Forget Judd (who delivered a GF, Normie and Brownlow and we got a great return). I have no doubt that the retention will continue to be high.

The last 2 years have been a great start to the rebuild. I see us getting another good haul in 2023 and 2024 and we will stat to climb quickly.


Oh and the other good thing - we have the confidence to just take Reid.
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Gold Coast also gave Brisbane AhChee and some other prolific player for free
 
dinnaz said:
Our biggest Q is what to do with our 2nd rounder.
My feeling is that there's a lot of vic guys around the mark, maybe a Lual or some tweener hbf athletic type.

But can see us plucking a good old fashioned nobody citing lack of depth only to see the picks around us turn out to be useful players.
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I'm hoping that we get someone like Archie Roberts, Charlie Edwards, Jack Delean, Taylor Goad.
 
PremiershipNo4 said:
I really like Collard as a pick and I’d love to be watching that level of skill for WC.
Over the last 12/13 years, we’ve invested in numerous young small/medium forwards, Gerrick Weedon, Adam Carter, Ryan Neates, Murray Newman, Ah Chee, Josh Hill, Malcom Karpany, Jamie Cripps, Jarrod Cameron, Willie Rioli, Liam Ryan, Zac Landon, SPS, Isiah Winder, there’s probably more I’ve missed.
Cripps has been amazing, Ryan too when he’s switched on and not injured, Rioli was one my favourite players, until he’s stuffed up and then chucked us under the bus, Hill had some very good games in his time.
But that sure leaves a whole heap of selections that never really fired a shot, a lot of those were later draft picks.
I know this is easy to say, but we wouldn’t have won the 2018 GF without the contributions of Cripps, Ryan and Rioli.
I believe quality HFF/forward pocket players are huge in the modern game, just look at this years Norm Smith medalist.
If the West Coast recruiters believe Collard is a real talent, then I’m more than ok with taking him with our 2nd pick.
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Lewy Broome so stiff to miss here
 
ArdentEagle said:
I'm hoping that we get someone like Archie Roberts, Charlie Edwards, Jack Delean, Taylor Goad.
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So anyone then😂

Delean is exciting and could be around that mark and one I'd be happy with, as proper forwards are hard to come by.

Goad will go late IMO but we have Barnett so a ruck isn't likely a priority.
 
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