List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread

[Themanbun]

Our recruitment of players outside of the draft has to improve. Track record in the last decade has been garbage. After Higgo, Waite - I can't think of a single player that has become or we can reasonably expect to become an A grader? Logue maybe?

Corr and Polec must be league-best flops.

Jed, Ahern, Hrovat, Hall, Pittard, Tyson, Bonar, Atu, Stevo, CCJ, Tucker, Fisher, Stephens.

Leave alone A graders, there's hardly even a dependable role player in that list (outside of Fisher).

It's hard to work out what's our recruitment problem and what's our development problem.

Of the guys who have come over since Clarko took over we're 2/3 in terms of doing what they were expected (Fisher) or even slightly stepping up (Logue). Tucker seems to have gone backwards. Jury is still out on Stephens.

Small sample size but it's already a better hit rate than those who came across and played mostly under Noble, Shaw, Scott.

Similarly our draftees seem more AFL ready or at least with a discernible development curve. Compare Sheezel, Wardlaw, Maley, Sellers, Duursma, McKercher, etc. with Perez, Mahony, Comben, Phillips, Powell, Bergman, Ford, etc. who stalled, are taking years to come on, or are straight gone from the list.

It could be that we were identifying decent players to recruit who fit the profile of taking the next step at a new club but they came to our dysfunctional circus and went backwards. Or they could just genuinely be not up to scratch, I dunno.

 

[Kanga Glory]

 

[DuckYeah]

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Who wrote that amazing jernalisms piece? What an amazing insight into what we need.. SMH .. and Logue injury prone? Over paid? I wouldn’t have thought so

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Not just * but maybe we too could learn something from this.

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Beatson has been pretty good at picking those types across the journey. Think of guys like Parker, Rampe ect and that epitomises their recruiting strategy.

I’d love to know his thoughts on Dylan Stephens though, that pick has probably been his biggest bust over recent times.

Fairly certain all AFL players are competitive otherwise they never would've been noticed at junior level....

Hate clickbaity quote shite, it's common sense....

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Not all players have that true competitive spirit in them. Stephenson is a perfect example, he just doesn’t have that will to beat his direct opponent because he really doesn’t care that much.

When Beatson is talking about competitiveness, he is talking about relentlessness, intensity, physicality, drive, resilience ect. We have a whole host of players who really lack in this department.

You think LDU, Stephenson, Stephens, Tucker, Fisher, McDonald, Corr, Zurhaar ect are doing absolutely everything in their power to win every 50-50, to do everything possible to win? Not a ****ing chance they are.

Wardlaw is one of the only ones who really has that high level competitive drive in him.

 

[DesertRoo]

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Wait let me get this straight, we should throw Dusty, Heeney, Kelly, Gaff, etc money at random fullback and hand over our first rounder for the privilege, whilst acknowledging we’ve had to overpay for b grade talent in the past?

 

[DuckYeah]

Wait let me get this straight, we should throw Dusty, Heeney, Kelly, Gaff, etc money at random fullback and hand over our first rounder for the privilege, whilst acknowledging we’ve had to overpay for b grade talent in the past?

he’s an absolute joker. As if Sam Taylor would pack up his million dollar contract at GWS and move to Melbourne for 20% more.

Our chance would be to look at which clubs have a surplus, appears as the dogs may have a couple we may be able to lever out.

 

[DesertRoo]

he’s an absolute joker. As if Sam Taylor would pack up his million dollar contract at GWS and move to Melbourne for 20% more.

Our chance would be to look at which clubs have a surplus, appears as the dogs may have a couple we may be able to lever out.

Ultimately he has unwittingly thrown up the Duursma vs McKay question?
Who here would rather have McKay on the books for 1 million plus a year for the next six?

There’s a lot of toys going out of the cot after playing a bunch of top four sides.

 

[justroyal]

I think they’re just angry at the idea of us a getting another top pick

 

[Masked Avenger]

Beatson has been pretty good at picking those types across the journey. Think of guys like Parker, Rampe ect and that epitomises their recruiting strategy.

I’d love to know his thoughts on Dylan Stephens though, that pick has probably been his biggest bust over recent times.


Not all players have that true competitive spirit in them. Stephenson is a perfect example, he just doesn’t have that will to beat his direct opponent because he really doesn’t care that much.

When Beatson is talking about competitiveness, he is talking about relentlessness, intensity, physicality, drive, resilience ect. We have a whole host of players who really lack in this department.

You think LDU, Stephenson, Stephens, Tucker, Fisher, McDonald, Corr, Zurhaar ect are doing absolutely everything in their power to win every 50-50, to do everything possible to win? Not a ******* chance they are.

Wardlaw is one of the only ones who really has that high level competitive drive in him.

Despite Beatson's confidence, drive is really an intangible that can't be accurately measured in 18 year olds though.

You can have psychologists profiling as much as you want but with human beings you'll never know until they're in the environment and under stress.

George Wardlaw clearly has it in spades. I think Harry's got it too.

Top 10 competitors in my time - no particular order:

Schimma
Laidley
Carey
Stevens
J Krakouer
Cunnington
Archer (Clubhouse leader)
Martyn
Firrito
Thompson

 

[scottywiper]

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The irony of giving up a top two pick for a key defender....we just gave up a key defender for a top three pick....

 

[King Hansen]

The irony of giving up a top two pick for a key defender....we just gave up a key defender for a top three pick....

Not really because he wanted to leave.

 

[Passmore]

The irony of giving up a top two pick for a key defender....we just gave up a key defender for a top three pick....

There's gun key defenders and then there McKay....we'd be way ahead.

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[roos_fanatic08]

Despite Beatson's confidence, drive is really an intangible that can't be accurately measured in 18 year olds though.

You can have psychologists profiling as much as you want but with human beings you'll never know until they're in the environment and under stress.

George Wardlaw clearly has it in spades. I think Harry's got it too.

Top 10 competitors in my time - no particular order:

Schimma
Laidley
Carey
Stevens
J Krakouer
Cunnington
Archer (Clubhouse leader)
Martyn
Firrito
Thompson

It is intangible, but if you watch enough junior footy, you can see which potential draftees really have it, to me you see it with onfield action rather than through psychological testing.

The hard part is finding those kids that have enough athletic potential to be able to apply that intent at AFL level.

 

[shinboner magic]

Our recruitment of players outside of the draft has to improve. Track record in the last decade has been garbage. After Higgo, Waite - I can't think of a single player that has become or we can reasonably expect to become an A grader? Logue maybe?

Corr and Polec must be league-best flops.

Jed, Ahern, Hrovat, Hall, Pittard, Tyson, Bonar, Atu, Stevo, CCJ, Tucker, Fisher, Stephens.

Leave alone A graders, there's hardly even a dependable role player in that list (outside of Fisher).

No more players to be brought in on potential only. They need to be proven players that are driven and are game changers.
A lot of those names mentioned above are sheep and are hardly noticed on a footy field - they look happy to be afl footballers and pick up a pay check.

Give me 23 goers any day over these flakes we have

 

[Lomas]

I think they’re just angry at the idea of us a getting another top pick

‘Being handed’ like it’s some sort of anomaly for the second worst team to get a top three pick.

 

[Passmore]

Maybe we should be throwing a shit load of cash Beatson's way. Hopefully he can bring the Swans Academy with him.

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[Passmore]

Ultimately he has unwittingly thrown up the Duursma vs McKay question?
Who here would rather have McKay on the books for 1 million plus a year for the next six?

There’s a lot of toys going out of the cot after playing a bunch of top four sides.

Imagine turning the value we got for McKay into an actual legit gun KPD?

That'd be an all time hiest.

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[Scottroo]

Jack McCrae and Caleb Daniel

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Caleb Daniel

Age

28

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

look to be on their way out at the dogs, we could do allot worse…

 

[Twangler]

Jack McCrae and Caleb Daniel look to be on their way out at the dogs, we could do allot worse…

We have done a lot worse!

 

[Masked Avenger]

It is intangible, but if you watch enough junior footy, you can see which potential draftees really have it, to me you see it with onfield action rather than through psychological testing.

The hard part is finding those kids that have enough athletic potential to be able to apply that intent at AFL level.

You would have watched a bit of Will Phillips as a junior?

On the footage I've seen, he looked pretty manic as a kid.

I appreciate his physical attributes haven't translated at the highest level, but do you think he is as manic in games now as he was as a kid?

 

[krakouers]

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Cmon man, I want to read the Bombhres going nowhere but to feet better!

 

[Mcarcherey]

Beatson has been pretty good at picking those types across the journey. Think of guys like Parker, Rampe ect and that epitomises their recruiting strategy.

I’d love to know his thoughts on Dylan Stephens though, that pick has probably been his biggest bust over recent times.


Not all players have that true competitive spirit in them. Stephenson is a perfect example, he just doesn’t have that will to beat his direct opponent because he really doesn’t care that much.

When Beatson is talking about competitiveness, he is talking about relentlessness, intensity, physicality, drive, resilience ect. We have a whole host of players who really lack in this department.

You think LDU, Stephenson, Stephens, Tucker, Fisher, McDonald, Corr, Zurhaar ect are doing absolutely everything in their power to win every 50-50, to do everything possible to win? Not a ******* chance they are.

Wardlaw is one of the only ones who really has that high level competitive drive in him.

You should have a read of the latest shinboner article and get educated

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[roos_fanatic08]

You should have a read of the latest shinboner article and get educated

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I’ve read it, it’s a fantastic article.

But…hand on heart do you actually believe that LDU, Stephenson, Stephens, Tucker, Fisher, McDonald, Corr, Zurhaar ect are doing absolutely everything in their power to win every 50-50, to do everything possible to win?

If I had the time I could show you hundreds of “efforts” that are just not up to it.

Regardless of whether they are being reactive (like Ricks article suggested) the blokes above are not doing everything in their power to compete The intensity, intent and the physicality just isn’t there.

You can be losing and still show all of those things. The problem for us is that for a long long time those things haven’t been up to scratch. it shouldn’t up to Wardlaw, Sheezel and Comben to set the standards when it comes to intensity and repeat efforts.

Feel free to “educate” me though how all our players are giving 100% effort…

 

[Amicalola]

Based on give-a-sh*t factor:

B: Archer Comben Dawson
HB: Hardeman Pink Sheezel

C: McKercher Powell Scott
R: Xerri Davies-Uniacke Wardlaw

HF: Ford Sellers Lazzaro
F:Curtis Larkey Duursma

I: Shiels Phillips Greenwood Harvey

Other than injured Harvey (swap in Drury?), I honestly would much rather run this squad than what we have been. At least they'll learn something and give 100% effort. Short-term it'd be a disaster, but long-term this is the group to dig us out of the hole. And there is some actual leadership here in Shiels, Greenwood, Larkey, Sheezel (yes it is embarrassing that we need leadership from a second-year player).

The big problem with running current group is that the younger players are going to learn the defeatist attitude from the older ones, and the cycle is going to continue. Of course it's going to rub off on them, it's a coping mechanism to deal with the trauma of losing and being borderline-embarrassed every week for years, and it's much easier to sink into it if your leaders already have. I feel like this is what happened to LDU this year. We need a massive circuit breaker or the cycle won't end.

 

[shinboner magic]

I’ve read it, it’s a fantastic article.

But…hand on heart do you actually believe that LDU, Stephenson, Stephens, Tucker, Fisher, McDonald, Corr, Zurhaar ect are doing absolutely everything in their power to win every 50-50, to do everything possible to win?

If I had the time I could show you hundreds of “efforts” that are just not up to it.

Regardless of whether they are being reactive (like Ricks article suggested) the blokes above are not doing everything in their power to compete The intensity, intent and the physicality just isn’t there.

You can be losing and still show all of those things. The problem for us is that for a long long time those things haven’t been up to scratch. it shouldn’t up to Wardlaw, Sheezel and Comben to set the standards when it comes to intensity and repeat efforts.

Feel free to “educate” me though how all our players are giving 100% effort…

We lose the majority of 50/50 contests - we don’t want it enough.