Opinion Recruiting and List Management Team: Hamish Ogilvie, Justin Reid & Co

Should Hamish Ogilvie and Justin Reid be sacked?

  • Both should be sacked

  • Only Hamish Ogilvie should be sacked

  • Only Justin Reid should be sacked

  • Neither should be sacked


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I would have thought the bigger sin was pushing out Brad Crouch and not adequately replacing him.
We bet a decade of our club's fortunes on the Crouch brothers and it hasn't worked out
 
We bet a decade of our club's fortunes on the Crouch brothers and it hasn't worked out
Look, I get the drugs thing
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I understand his current season hasnt been as strong, but having this in our midfield would have been more than adequate.
 

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I would have thought the bigger sin was pushing out Brad Crouch and not adequately replacing him.

Our list management has a strange hatred for drafting and recruiting inside mids.

Kinda like Collingwood doesn't care for key forwards. Then they pickup McStay, the bare basics in terms of a key forward and what do you know? They win a flag...
 
Watching Stengle tear up the AO last night was hard to watch.

Rather than support him, get his welfare right and back him in etc (you know, like good clubs do) - we just threw him in the proverbial delist bin.

Only choir boys can play with the crows.

Apart from Keane, maybe Soligo, maybe Max M - I simply cannot see a crows player thats 'improved' this year. What an indictment.
 
Watching Stengle tear up the AO last night was hard to watch.

Rather than support him, get his welfare right and back him in etc (you know, like good clubs do) - we just threw him in the proverbial delist bin.

Only choir boys can play with the crows.

Apart from Keane, maybe Soligo, maybe Max M - I simply cannot see a crows player thats 'improved' this year. What an indictment.
Especially now that we know the AFL actively work to conceal drug taking, Stengles issue was he got caught publicly and he played for the Crows.

We also undervalued his talent, otherwise we would have tried harder with him. Much easier to move on a player you don’t rate that much.
 
Our list management has a strange hatred for drafting and recruiting inside mids.

Kinda like Collingwood doesn't care for key forwards. Then they pickup McStay, the bare basics in terms of a key forward and what do you know? They win a flag...
Come on, everyone knows it was the clever trading for Big Bad Billy Frampton that won them the GF
 
Our list management has a strange hatred for drafting and recruiting inside mids.

Kinda like Collingwood doesn't care for key forwards. Then they pickup McStay, the bare basics in terms of a key forward and what do you know? They win a flag...
The problem seems to be that they think Laird and Crouch are unmovable.
 
Hindsight is a good thing.
Thing to remember is a we played in a GF the previous year - no club would actively weaken their playing list when they're in contention.

We had a better starting draft hand than Port but they had the benefit of having a player like Wingard wanting out so we able to have the reaources to be a strong player in the trades.

Credit to them for identify Rozee as the player for them from a long way back (so it seems) and started their trade strategy from the get go.

I think we had Luko or Rankine as our #1 target so had been trying to court GC to trade us one of their picks 2/3 for our picks so we couldn't really weaken our picks by trading up early.

If we could use hindsight and knew Rankine was coming back to us anyway, maybe we could have gone for the pick to get Rozee ahead of Port.
 
Watching Stengle tear up the AO last night was hard to watch.

Rather than support him, get his welfare right and back him in etc (you know, like good clubs do) - we just threw him in the proverbial delist bin.

Only choir boys can play with the crows.

Apart from Keane, maybe Soligo, maybe Max M - I simply cannot see a crows player thats 'improved' this year. What an indictment.
Far out, i know people are frustrated but some of the stuff that gets claimed on here is so far off the mark.

Rankine is faster, more agile, better skilled, more footy iq and more tank than Stengle. Its not even close.

Our gameplan is nothing like every other gameplan in the comp. Every other teams gameplans are nearly identical to each other, ours is lightyears different. They have extras back and it pretty much bounces from one half back to the other until a lucky bounce or a mistake lets the ball past and then they score. We have no extras back, we have an extra at the contest and concede their extra in our forward line.

1) Our GAMEPLAN leads to / permits / results in tonnes of congestion in our forward line. (why stengle looks better than rankine)
2) Our GAMEPLAN leads to / permits / results in tonnes of congestion around the mid contests, with often our players being more on the inside. (why dawson looks worse since joining us)
3)Our GAMEPLAN leads to / permits / results in no free players (extras) to rebound from defense with, so we have to do it slower. (why jake kelly now looks faster at decision making than all of our hb's)
4)Our GAMEPLAN leads to / permits / results in a lot of difficulty for everyone, but especially young players, they have to go against a lot of their instincts. (why mcauliffe looks good whereas rachele is in struggle town)

If you saw Rankine up front of Geelong or even up front for us with a gameplan like all the other teams have got, he'd be miles in front of what you see with Stengle. He'd look nothing the same.

Same with our young players, if they were in any other teams gameplan, they could just extend their instincts from their junior days and they'd go somewhat ok, you can't do that in our gameplan. A rush kick forward for a young player in other teams doesn't matter so much because if the rebound comes they have extras back to protect their defense and will hopefully get the turnover and go back the other way. A hack kick forward with us will go to an outnumber, which we frequently lose, then if they quickly move it forward they will go to even numbers in an open forward line and score.

Our mids never look dashing or attacking because we never set up for easy outside take aways from the contests. Since the oppo usually are outside us, when we get kicks they are usually under pressure and there comes an amount of error with that.

Finally, all this, especially when we are consistently losing, like we are, breeds an amount of anxiety or hypervigilance amongst all the players, basically self pressuring, which, considering the pressuring from the opposition is already extreme in the AFL, just makes us make all the more pressure mistakes, from old and experienced, to the in-form, to the young, to the out of form, all of them will have decreased confidence as a result. This is why when we sometimes get a rare open movement forward, we often duff it, because we are so anxious from being under so much pressure its not until we've usually stuffed it up that we can look around, realise there was no pressure and be embarrased by what we did and get even more anxious.

They've got two options, change or push on and try to get the current thing right.

You already know which one they're going to take.
 
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Our list management has a strange hatred for drafting and recruiting inside mids.

Kinda like Collingwood doesn't care for key forwards. Then they pickup McStay, the bare basics in terms of a key forward and what do you know? They win a flag...

Collingwood lost 5 games in 2023. 20 goal forward McStay played only 14 games and was involved in 4 of their losses.

He didnt play in the grand final and kicked 20 goals in his 14 games.

Lets not act like McStay won them a flag.
 
Collingwood lost 5 games in 2023. 20 goal forward McStay played only 14 games and was involved in 4 of their losses.

He didnt play in the grand final and kicked 20 goals in his 14 games.

Lets not act like McStay won them a flag.

Don’t you see?

They lulled teams into a false sense of security by playing McStay and losing, so that they could then cannily unleash Big Bad Billy Frampton as a defensive forward in the GF.
 
Tex the least of our worries not like any forwards are bashing the door down. Sloane is cooked and should've retired three years ago. Can't wait foe in ten years time when he has a lawsuit against the crows for mismanagement of his injuries.
 
It's not ideal an AFL.com.au journalist would produce a similar outcome to our employed draft team with the resources behind it
I don't think that's a massive self-own.

Twomey sees an extraordinary number of matches and speaks to every recruiter across every club.

I think his opinions are close to the recruiter group think - the things he's repeatedly heard and the things he's observed himself.
 
I don't think that's a massive self-own.

Twomey sees an extraordinary number of matches and speaks to every recruiter across every club.

I think his opinions are close to the recruiter group think - the things he's repeatedly heard and the things he's observed himself.

That’s exactly the point. A guy who doesn’t really know what he’s looking at (check also the so called draft watchers on here) but just trades in gossip and chat gets similar results

That’s bad for our expert team.
 

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