AFL Grand Final 2024 AFL Grand Final - Sydney Swans vs Brisbane Lions

[Lighthouse End]

Goes to show that all the uncontested marks they racked up against us was a poor reflection on us and our game plan rather than their superior game plan.
Being able to play exactly the game they wanted to against us was probably the worst preparation they could have had for the Grand Final.

Not exactly, what was exposed in the GF and was going to happen regardless of who the opposition was, that the Toilet Ducks may well be the AFL's love child, and the darlings of the media and those who generate the hoopla and hyperbole - i e those whose salaries are paid from Channel 7's Sydney owners and therefore wear the Sydney team like a pair of arabian goggles - is that they are actually a very average side at best and Longmire isn't the miracle coach everyone thinks he is.

Aside from the fluke in 2012, that's four successive thrashings in Grand Finals for Longmire and a string of piss poor performances from their supposed ' top line ' players in the big dance after looking unstoppable all year.
Goes to show that it's OK to swim to the deep end with your pool noodle and water wings, but when the aids and support is removed and you're left to fend for yourself, you drown.
Satisfying result, Brisbane are a far better side and it's always beautiful to watch these red and white freeloaders getting smoked.

Kind of baffled though why neither club wore their ' traditional ' guernseys yesterday as the game was in Melbourne. I wonder if this was an AFL edict aimed at dispelling the notion of Vic bias and pushing their ' look what we've done for the game in the Northern States ' mantra.
You can fool some of the people some of the time....

 

[Lighthouse End]

The game is so good that it survives those attacks. But it’s annoying.

Sadly, the point that seems to escape the vast majority of the people is that the game has been morphed into a confected soap opera, created for and funded by the TV networks.
It's no different to Neighbours, or Home and Away. If you look closely enough at the start of each season, you can predict with reasonable accuracy which storylines will appear and the fate that will befall the main characters.

 

[Windy Cindy]

Makes you wonder if we had brought the same pressure to the Sydney game as the hawks game maybe we might have been competitive.

 

[rogerjames]

I couldn't believe my ears earleir when I heard Koch say that Kenny deserves a premiership.

Lol if there's anyone who doesn't deserve a premiership, it's a bloke whose been given 12 attempts and not come close!

That is so Koch. What other president would say such crap.

 

[rogerjames]

Makes you wonder if we had brought the same pressure to the Sydney game as the hawks game maybe we might have been competitive.

That is currently not in our DNA.

 

[rogerjames]

Goes to show that all the uncontested marks they racked up against us was a poor reflection on us and our game plan rather than their superior game plan.
Being able to play exactly the game they wanted to against us was probably the worst preparation they could have had for the Grand Final.

So much this last sentence

 

[Lighthouse End]

Like us after 2007, Sydney should not be allowed to make a Grand Final for a very long time.

All things being equal, this mob would struggle to play finals in the Bellarine League. But the AFL will ensure they are around the mark again lest their 1981 experiment fail. They have to keep NSW engaged otherwise their National competition's funding, vital for survival of parasite Melbourne clubs like North, St Kilda, Melbourne and Footscray, will be cut off.

 

[longdonkey]

Fitzroy won more finals than Richmond 1981 to 2016.

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LOL yeah Richmond had money but were steaming poo. Fitzroy always had some decent players but no money, supporters or facilities.

 

[Lighthouse End]

Yeah BT. I'm sure the 30 and 40 something's living in heavily gentrified Fitzroy are absolutely loving that the club that folded almost 30 years ago and are out on the streets tonight.

The community of Fitzroy has had nothing to do with the club at all since 1965 when the council booted them off the Brunswick St oval and they were banished across the city to St Kilda.
But if there is a heavy aroma of sandalwood and patchouli and an influx of goatee bearded sleeve tattooed beret wearing buddah stick smoking types on Johnstone St, St Georges Road and Brunswick St. tonight, he may well have a point...

 

[edgie]

LOL yeah Richmond had money but were steaming poo. Fitzroy always had some decent players but no money, supporters or facilities.

Didn't Richmond nearly go under in the late 80s?

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[JimmyBC]

Didn't Richmond nearly go under in the late 80s?

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I'm pretty sure they were on the bones of their ass at one point as were Collingwood.

Amazing how we are cast like the only club in history to have a rough patch in that sense.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Amazing how we are cast like the only club in history to have a rough patch in that sense.

Yeah, there was that one time in 2011 where we had our worst season in AFL history where we avoided the wooden spoon, trailed our crosstown rivals by a massive two positions on the ladder, and averaged more people at our home games than the team that's just flagged up.

No other team has ever has such a disastrous and prolonged period of shithousery by like, you know, actually finishing bottom or posting NRL-tier attendance figures.

But those tarps, eh. The biggest and most unnecessary own goal in the club's history and the genesis of the narrative of Kenneth the Messiah leading the unwashed lepers from Alberton into the promised land as recounted in the Gospel of St. Rooch.

 

[Lighthouse End]

I'm pretty sure they were on the bones of their ass at one point as were Collingwood.

Amazing how we are cast like the only club in history to have a rough patch in that sense.

Collingwood were 15 minutes away from being wound up by the creditors in 1986. Richmond had a public fundraising campaign to save them in 1992, not unlike Footscray in 1989. Hawthorn and Melbourne were on the brink of a merger in 1996 with Melbourne the dominant partner. Melbourne were also mooted in a merger with Fitzroy in 1986. North Melbourne have been on the VFL / AFL tit since the 80s.The only Vic clubs not to have been pulled out of desperate financial trouble in the last 40 or so years are Essendon and Carlton.
The admission of West Coast and Brisbane effectively saved St Kilda from oblivion and bought Fitzroy a further 10 year stay of execution.
Victorian football was in deep shit and dying a slow death by the mid 80s with nearly all the VFL clubs either bankrupt or on the skids, and nearly half the second tier ( VFA ) clubs folding between 1983-88, including very successful and powerful clubs like Brunswick, Oakleigh, Camberwell and Mordialloc. Going national was the only way out.

 

[JimmyBC]

Collingwood were 15 minutes away from being wound up by the creditors in 1986. Richmond had a public fundraising campaign to save them in 1992, not unlike Footscray in 1989. Hawthorn and Melbourne were on the brink of a merger in 1996 with Melbourne the dominant partner. Melbourne were also mooted in a merger with Fitzroy in 1986. North Melbourne have been on the VFL / AFL tit since the 80s.The only Vic clubs not to have been pulled out of desperate financial trouble in the last 40 or so years are Essendon and Carlton.
The admission of West Coast and Brisbane effectively saved St Kilda from oblivion and bought Fitzroy a further 10 year stay of execution.
Victorian football was in deep shit and dying a slow death by the mid 80s with nearly all the VFL clubs either bankrupt or on the skids, and nearly half the second tier ( VFA ) clubs folding between 1983-88, including very successful and powerful clubs like Brunswick, Oakleigh, Camberwell and Mordialloc. Going national was the only way out.

Collingwood were still running rough when Eddie McChins first took over as well and that prick loves reminding Port fans of the dark days at aami stadium every five minutes.

Not to mention none of these people ever acknowledge the ridiculous nature of SA football politics, shocking stadium deals, grudges & SANFL siphoning. Madness they'd all be dead clubs over there if they had to tackle it.

 

[edgie]

Collingwood were 15 minutes away from being wound up by the creditors in 1986. Richmond had a public fundraising campaign to save them in 1992, not unlike Footscray in 1989. Hawthorn and Melbourne were on the brink of a merger in 1996 with Melbourne the dominant partner. Melbourne were also mooted in a merger with Fitzroy in 1986. North Melbourne have been on the VFL / AFL tit since the 80s.The only Vic clubs not to have been pulled out of desperate financial trouble in the last 40 or so years are Essendon and Carlton.
The admission of West Coast and Brisbane effectively saved St Kilda from oblivion and bought Fitzroy a further 10 year stay of execution.
Victorian football was in deep shit and dying a slow death by the mid 80s with nearly all the VFL clubs either bankrupt or on the skids, and nearly half the second tier ( VFA ) clubs folding between 1983-88, including very successful and powerful clubs like Brunswick, Oakleigh, Camberwell and Mordialloc. Going national was the only way out.

Carlton and St Kilda also considered merging

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[tribey]

I’ve been saying this for a while. The size of the sack Hinkley thread is way overboard compared to the Koch thread. And the argument that starting with Hinkley as first to go and the others follow is not a guaranteed outcome. I have no idea how you turf a president but I’m convinced having him out first is the way forward. Or him falling on his sword as soon as Hinkley is gone would be the leadership thing to do, as he’s backed him to the hilt and beyond. If Hinkley goes and Koch stays put then I think what you have is a totally self interested and indulgent character running the club that could set us back further than we currently are.

The issue at hand is, stale, uninspired, complacent, out-of-depth, and tactically-inept coaches are replaced with hungry, inspiring, tactically-astute blah blah blah coaches all the time.

With the way our governance is, there’s no guarantee Koch isn’t replaced with a similar handpicked football-illiterate cheeseball who has been conditioned by the media and other defeatists to believe that Port is an existential minnow for whom anything over and above a mid-table finish is worthy of a key to the lighthouse.

 

[GremioPower]

Sadly, the point that seems to escape the vast majority of the people is that the game has been morphed into a confected soap opera, created for and funded by the TV networks.
It's no different to Neighbours, or Home and Away. If you look closely enough at the start of each season, you can predict with reasonable accuracy which storylines will appear and the fate that will befall the main characters.

I don’t follow the footy media.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This is the moment Brisbane won the flag.

Brent Daniels

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stupid soccer play on advantage from 9m out in the SF, and miss kicked it and scored a behind, when a goal would have buried Brisbane's chance, is probably the only reason why Brisbane made it past the SF.

As Dan say's in his facebook post, an insert of Brent Daniels

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should be in the corner of the Brisbane premiership photo.

We argued that in 1990, back at Victoria Park with Collingwood supporters, that Peter Summich missing that shot on goal and causing a draw, in the days finals draws were replayed, is the reason why Collingwood won the flag and he bshould be an insert in the premiership photo.

Edit - don't know why it wont play in Bigfooty. Here is the URL, copy and paste it and get rid of the gap between facebook and .com
https://www.facebook .com/dan.hansen.9480/videos/1218693372612524

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Grundy lucky

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Grundy lucky

Pigs arse is all I can say to that.

I had a good chat with Liam, the stats guru from Useless AFL Stats after the prelim final loss at the old Port NSW supporters pub in Sydney - The Royal Exhibition Hotel and he said his biggest gripe about the AFL Player Rating algorithm is that it over values ruckmen, and in particular their hit outs, especially the ones that don't go to advantage. He said guys like Nick Nat, Gawn, Tim English don't deserve to be as rated as highly as they are, but algorithm gives them an edge over other players.

I looked at the ratings yesterday and couldn't believe Grundy was rated 3rd best player on the ground and I immediately thought of the conversation with Liam.

As much as I am a fan of finding good strong capable ruckmen, its further proof you don't need to pay them $1mil+ a year, even in a few years time when the salary cap is 35%+ higher than in 2024.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Sydney are chokers but they wont get labelled that. We would if we did what they did, either in the Choco era of if Ken could actually win a PF.

And as I was reminded after staying in Sydney for a few days last week, the players live in anonymity and wont get hassled by people like a side being smashed in the GF from WA, SA or Victoria and will just carry on with life.

Their 4 losing GFs, where they finished at end of season and margin were;
2014 1st lost GF by 63 pts by 10.3 down by 54 pts at 3/4 time
2016 1st lost GF by 22 pts
2022 3rd lost GF by 81 pts by 12.9 down by 68 pts at 3/4 time
2024 1st lost GF by 60 pts by 9.6 down by 73 pts at 3/4 time

The last 2 GFs felt like 100 pt losses, but Geelong and Brisbane basically cruised and put the queue in the rack.

And the supposed great Sydney recruiting team makes mistakes just everyone else. They rejected Josh Dunkley

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. Article from April 2016.

Dunkley a happy Dog after 'awkward' father-son selection

Young Bulldog having trouble converting his dad from red and white

www.afl.com.au

Pressure is something Dunkley has become accustomed to at such a young age, being a son of former Sydney Swan Andrew Dunkley

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. Expectation to perform can be a heavy burden to shoulder, and with the new father-son bidding system, savvy decision-making was required before he even got to the AFL.

After nominating the Swans as his preferred destination under the father-son rule, his father's old club declined to match the Bulldogs' bid of pick No.25 in last year's NAB AFL Draft, much to the Dogs' joy. While Dunkley snr is "happy and proud" his son lobbed at Whitten Oval, he believes the pressure placed on a teenager and his family by the bidding system is unfair.

He has now played in 2 GFs against Sydney and won them both. He was pretty solid for the Bulldogs in 2016 GF and was excellent on Saturday. He was never going to win the Norm Smith medal, but I reckon in Brisbane's voting he probably wins their MVP for the GF.

He shut down Heeney and Warner and got plenty of the ball himself. He almost did the Quadruple Double in a GF - 12K, 9HB, 8MKs, 11Tack.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Bit late with this one but Brisbane saved the day.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

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The Useless AFL Stats guys came up with their own Venn Diagram.

 

[GremioPower]

Edit - don't know why it wont play in Bigfooty. Here is the URL, copy and paste it and get rid of the gap between facebook and .com
https://www.facebook .com/dan.hansen.9480/videos/1218693372612524

Apparently, it's not an issue due BigFooty:

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