List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Big Sauce 21]

With Taberner's injury history, if Hipwood blows a groin you can almost guarantee they'll keep each other company in the rehab room.

Either him or Sam Day right for delisted forwards ? Choices are slim if they need one

 

[Tom14]

Either him or Sam Day right for delisted forwards ? Choices are slim if they need one

Le-vi Le-vi Le-vi!

Let’s be frank all the options are underwhelming.

 

[Section 5]

Dizz is a heart and soul player but I felt our forward line was really sluggish with him in there and it surprises me anyone would think he's worth another try. In fact he was poor and his deficiencies on full display.

I'm sure we'll try and find a slot for him but as a forward would be a backward step.

I don't think Gardiner has played enough games forward for us to get a clear indication if he could play that role.
However, coming back from an ACL at age 29 is a bit of a worry.
He can also play a defensive role on certain opposition defenders if needed
He played 7 games early in the year, 2 of those he left early with knee injuries in Q1 & Q2.
So really only 5 games to get a look at what he can do forward.
He was also trying to fit into a new role in a team whose form was not good in those early games.

R0 11 disposals 0 marks 2 tackles 0 goals.0 behinds. Moved to Curnow in the 4th quarter
R1 injured his knee in the 1st quarter (warning sign for things to come maybe?)
R2 & 3 missed due to knee injury
R4 11 disposal 5 marks 1 tackle 1g.1b
R5 13 disposals 6 marks 3 tackles 0g.0b
R6 10 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 0g.0b
R7 5 disposals 0 marks 4 tackles 0g.0b. Appeared to play a defensive game on Aleer.
R8 3 disposals 0 marks 0 tackles 2g. 0b. Did his ACL in 2nd quarter

 

[McLuggages]

I've seen a few discussions in here on points but not one that ties it all together...in summary we're pretty close to done and we won't be going in to defecit. Dom Ambrogio has done it again.

Summary

• We officialy have 2472 points - but we actually have closer to 2612 given our later picks will slide up, after Ashcroft, Kako and Lombard bids (+250 points)
• Worst case bid scenario Levi pick 1 + Marshall pick ~15 = 3290pts (so we're currently 800 pts short or 550 short after picks move up)
• Mid case bids - (2+18) = 2802 - we're ~200 short - which should be sorted by the Sharp trade and/or 1 more pick swap
• Best case bid scenario (pick 3 + 22) = 2435 points - we're already well covered
• A Sharp trade should add at least 300 points directly or via swaps
• There are plenty of options to tactically add 100pts here or ther

I realised this would make a nice matrix

Reminder we actually have closer to 2600 points currently after shuffling, should add 200-300 more for each of Sharp and Robertson. We can also easily add 100 more for an extra shuffle, and ~300 points or so for our future 3rd.

 

[martinson]

I don't think Gardiner has played enough games forward for us to get a clear indication if he could play that role.
However, coming back from an ACL at age 29 is a bit of a worry.
He can also play a defensive role on certain opposition defenders if needed
He played 7 games early in the year, 2 of those he left early with knee injuries in Q1 & Q2.
So really only 5 games to get a look at what he can do forward.
He was also trying to fit into a new role in a team whose form was not good in those early games.

R0 11 disposals 0 marks 2 tackles 0 goals.0 behinds. Moved to Curnow in the 4th quarter
R1 injured his knee in the 1st quarter (warning sign for things to come maybe?)
R2 & 3 missed due to knee injury
R4 11 disposal 5 marks 1 tackle 1g.1b
R5 13 disposals 6 marks 3 tackles 0g.0b
R6 10 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 0g.0b
R7 5 disposals 0 marks 4 tackles 0g.0b. Appeared to play a defensive game on Aleer.
R8 3 disposals 0 marks 0 tackles 2g. 0b. Did his ACL in 2nd quarter

It wasn't his stats that I was looking at.

It was guys running off him and the opportunities he fluffed by being too slow to react and recognise opportunities.

It wasn't as if we didn't dish it up to him on a plate at times.

 

[Darren Downunder]

I really want us to draft Ty Gallop.
Gee, he was impressive in the VFL prelim!
I hope we have enough points for him.

 

[McIvor]

I really want us to draft Ty Gallop.
Gee, he was impressive in the VFL prelim!
I hope we have enough points for him.

Same; will be super stoked with the trifecta of Ashcroft, Marshall and Gallop.

Is there a point in the draft where you don’t need points to match and can just match an academy kid?

 

[BangyBangy]

Maybe Taberner for insurance if we're bone dry for any trading. If Hipwood blows a groin again then we'll be reaching

The player has to want to come here.

Not sure uprooting your life to move to the other side of the country, to get a minimum afl wage, to be an insurance player is particularly appealing.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

The player has to want to come here.

Not sure uprooting your life to move to the other side of the country, to get a minimum afl wage, to be an insurance player is particularly appealing.

Retirement it is then

 

[buttermuffs]

Zorko revived his career with a position change to half back and there’s zero evidence to suggest he can’t do so again playing as a forward ruck.


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[Perrip]

Is there a point in the draft where you don’t need points to match and can just match an academy kid?

You'd still need points to match a bid if another team chose an academy player very late in the draft. Or, if we have a pick that comes up late in the draft, we can just draft that Academy player - i.e. Harris Andrews at Pick 61 in 2014

 

[blueiris]

Talk of Sam Day is ridiculously laughable.

Sam Day link is he’s in Queensland and is a Fwd/Ruck

 

[blueiris]

Same; will be super stoked with the trifecta of Ashcroft, Marshall and Gallop.

Is there a point in the draft where you don’t need points to match and can just match an academy kid?

I could be wrong but if he’s bid on in the 3rd round and we still have a deficit of 300 points we can still draft Gallop or Gillett if we choose to

 

[mpal6]

Glenelg's Liam McBean wins 2024 Jack Oatey Medal - Glenelg Football Club

By ZAC MILBANK Glenelg captain Liam McBean had never kicked a goal in his three Hostplus SANFL Grand Final appearances leading into the 2024 title-decider. But the Bays’ inspirational skipper couldn’t have picked a bigger stage to equal Tigers’ great Stephen Kernahan in booting seven...

glenelgfc.com.au

Glenelg - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

I think we need to ask the question to Liam McBean

Liam Mcbean

Age

30

Ht

202cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.2

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.2

2star

No current season stats available

D

8.2

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.2

3star

kicked 7.0 to win SANFL grand final this year
202cm / 96kg
55 goals this year, been a 40 to 50 goal forward for the last 6-7 years
Looks like closest replacement to Daniher's role from the next tier

 

[M Malice]

Glenelg's Liam McBean wins 2024 Jack Oatey Medal - Glenelg Football Club

By ZAC MILBANK Glenelg captain Liam McBean had never kicked a goal in his three Hostplus SANFL Grand Final appearances leading into the 2024 title-decider. But the Bays’ inspirational skipper couldn’t have picked a bigger stage to equal Tigers’ great Stephen Kernahan in booting seven...

glenelgfc.com.au

Glenelg - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

I think we need to ask the question to Liam McBean

kicked 7.0 to win SANFL grand final this year
202cm / 96kg
55 goals this year, been a 40 to 50 goal forward for the last 6-7 years
Looks like closest replacement to Daniher's role from the next tier

Don't mind that idea, he is 30 years old but you would assume he would have a good 2-3 years of his best footy in him.... a stop gap while Morris, Lloyd and Gallop develop.

Do we know if has nominated for the draft?

 

[lioninthesand]

Whilst I’m confident enough with a plan of covering Joe with what we have, I think there is a significant over estimation of what that will look like, coming on the back of our finals charge.

You don’t take a 68 goal, 21 disposal forward/ruck out of a side, not replace them, and cover it with Dizzy Gardiner or Darcy Fort

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Darcy Fort

Age

31

Ht

204cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

2.9

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

9.2

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

3.2

2star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.8

3star

G

0.2

3star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.2

4star

.

We will have to settle for what we have to work with for 2025, I get that, my guess is we will be putting significant work into a big fish for the year after.

Still could absolutely up- end us, especially if Hipwood suffers an injury.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Glenelg's Liam McBean wins 2024 Jack Oatey Medal - Glenelg Football Club

By ZAC MILBANK Glenelg captain Liam McBean had never kicked a goal in his three Hostplus SANFL Grand Final appearances leading into the 2024 title-decider. But the Bays’ inspirational skipper couldn’t have picked a bigger stage to equal Tigers’ great Stephen Kernahan in booting seven...

glenelgfc.com.au

Glenelg - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

I think we need to ask the question to Liam McBean

kicked 7.0 to win SANFL grand final this year
202cm / 96kg
55 goals this year, been a 40 to 50 goal forward for the last 6-7 years
Looks like closest replacement to Daniher's role from the next tier

So close, he's the same age

 

[McIvor]

So close, he's the same age

And childhood friend and a former housemate of Joe's:

Housemates McBean & Daniher

Housemates Liam McBean and Joe Daniher talk about their career and life off the field.

www.richmondfc.com.au

 

[Grasshopper17]

He was great at flying for marks as third forward when no one paid attention to him.

Once it twigged that it's worth putting some effort into it, any body contact renders him irrelevant.

Sounds like Hipwood before Murray Davis spent some time with him.

The irony.

 

[Perrip]

Riley Beveridge

Melbourne has opened talks with Brisbane over Harry Sharp this weekend. Agreement still to be finalised, but a deal will likely see the Lions bank later picks and points for Levi Ashcroft and Sam Marshall bids.

 

[M Malice]

And childhood friend and a former housemate of Joe's:

Housemates McBean & Daniher

Housemates Liam McBean and Joe Daniher talk about their career and life off the field.

www.richmondfc.com.au

Wow 9 years ago, how young does Joe look.

BTW how did you track that down? Did you remember that video?

 

[SeaOfFire]

Whilst I’m confident enough with a plan of covering Joe with what we have, I think there is a significant over estimation of what that will look like, coming on the back of our finals charge.

You don’t take a 68 goal, 21 disposal forward/ruck out of a side, not replace them, and cover it with Dizzy Gardiner or Darcy Fort.

We will have to settle for what we have to work with for 2025, I get that, my guess is we will be putting significant work into a big fish for the year after.

Still could absolutely up- end us, especially if Hipwood suffers an injury.

Yep, I agree - except a bit on Fort up forward, but that's really neither here nor there.

We have to use somebody who isn't Joe, and that is more than just personnel - it must also be accommodated within a (slightly?) different system. With that said, given the market offerings are slim, an internal appointment would to me seem preferable, as you are dealing with more of a known quantity, and the differences between the options appear to be within a few points of each other. Essentially, different sauce, same meat.....Joe was different meat

 

[Grasshopper17]

Not relevant for us, but lol at this dumpster fire. This is the only enjoyable part of the trade period. Watching other clubs messes unfold.

Anyone get a screenshot of this?

 

[Diverse]

If we still had Tom Fullarton, would he come straight in as a Daniher replacement?

 

[M Malice]

If we still had Tom Fullarton, would he come straight in as a Daniher replacement?

That thought also crossed my mind the other day when Harry Sharp requested a trade to the Dees... straight swap?

I don't think it is any chance of happening, the Full Cream boat has been tried and it has sailed.