List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

[Keys]

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Drafted

• Bo Allan - Pick 16
• Jobe Shanahan - Pick 30
• Tom Gross - Pick 46
• Lucca Grego - Pick 48
• Hamish Davis - Pick 65
• Malakai Champion - Cat B

List Spots Available

• One on either main OR rookie list to be filled as a SSP selection following train on assessments

Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

In amongst the shitstorm that greeted the pick 3 trade, there was a little bit of ire reserved for the pick exchange at the back end of the draft as part of the Owies acquisition

Somehow the exchange of picks 63 and 68 for Owies and 73 was a mini disaster. So what did it cost us?

North used their R4 pick on Luke Urquhart which by that point was pick 57 and the pick before what had been the pick 63 we sent to Carlton

The pick 73 received from Carlton we used to draft Hamish Davis with what was then pick 65

In between
58- Jasper Alger
59- Tyler Welsh (F/S)
60- Patrick Said
61- Rhys Unwin
62- Luke Kennedy
63- Jaren Carr (F/S)
64- Cody Anderson (NGA)

I don’t think that part of the trade cost us much, if anything

And a bid never came for Champion so the lost points value was also a non-factor

That just felt wrong. We gave up too much in the split of pick 3, it felt like the steak knives part should have been weighted in our favour.

Even if it ultimately didn’t matter.

 

[Goroyals22]

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Interesting that Eagles, Dogs and GCS all traded a F to Brissie for their picks in the [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]'s but Saints had to cough up a F to the Dons.

Looking at the picks for next year and bloody Gold Coast still have xR picks again next year. Are they ever going to run our of first rounders ffs. They really should be starting to win finals now.

It’s smart drafting..gives you picks if you want them or first rounders to target players you want…


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[WCE_Phill]

So how do we benefit most next year?

We'd want Banfield to be ranked 10-20?

Ideally after the Hawks first?

 

[mattyc75]

If we’re looking to improve our ruck stocks at the end of the year I’d be getting in Mitch Edwards’ ear. Geelong just added a couple more project rucks, it’ll be getting pretty crowded over there.

Yeah was thinking Geelong mustn't really like what they see with edwards

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[amazingjoshy]

Not one of guys, but this is great

 

[eaglevision]

So how do we benefit most next year?

We'd want Banfield to be ranked 10-20?

Ideally after the Hawks first?

3-Rodriguez
13-Curtin
21-Swadling
30-Banfield match
48-Walley match

 

[Keys]

It’s smart drafting..gives you picks if you want them or first rounders to target players you want…



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It’s a by product of a fundamentally flawed bidding system that hopefully the new points value will fix

Under the new system Brisbane would have needed 1615 points to match the Ashcroft bid at 5.

The picks they used (40, 42, 43 and 46) only total 758 points so they’d be well short

Their entire draft hand for 2025 (18,39,42,44,48,61,72) after 2024 trades totals 1564 picks which is still short

It’s not going to be as easy to bank later picks to match points anymore

Good for the overall system, not so good for us when we may finally have a couple of decent FS/academy players that attract bids

 

[Bender_]

I remember when the AFL denied the Eagles request to allow Brad Smith to be placed on the rookie list on grounds of trying to give him a lifeline after his second ACL - but then only a year or so later allowed the Bombers to rookie Adam Ramanauskas, which was the first slippery slope move toward the current rookie list debacle.

This still infuriates me to this day.

 

[EaglesVille]

Port and the saints appear to have done very well in this draft, along with us
But their draft hand for next year is minus a first round pick
Where as we have 2

 

[amazingjoshy]

Port and the saints appear to have done very well in this draft, along with us
But their draft hand for next year is minus a first round pick
Where as we have 2

I reckon quite a few have gone off way too early on Clarke. Ultimately he'll be judged on the list and although it's still all very speculative, the list looks in a better place already than when he was given the job, and with 2 1sts and 2 2nds to come next year

 

[Imnotdeadyet]

I’ve posted ad nauseum that we need KPD depth but we also have no ruck depth. Max Guaranteed was the play, we missed it and GCS didn’t.

You've certainly posted ad nauseum.

 

[TOA.]

I reckon quite a few have gone off way too early on Clarke. Ultimately he'll be judged on the list and although it's still all very speculative, the list looks in a better place already than when he was given the job, and with 2 1sts and 2 2nds to come next year

Well we just have those picks next year because we offloaded an AA calibre fullback. The evidence we have so far is he bombed the Baker trade and got a pass for the Barass trade (although Phil said he was kicked out for the later part of that negotiation).

 

[amazingjoshy]

Well we just have those picks next year because we offloaded an AA calibre fullback. The evidence we have so far is he bombed the Baker trade and got a pass for the Barass trade (although Phil said he was kicked out for the later part of that negotiation).

You don't think we should've traded him?

I'll always take with a grain of salt that folks posting on here are actually involved with the club so that last part is here nor there

You say he "bombed the Baker trade" yet we ended up with the 2 guys we probably would've anyway had we kept 12 & 14. Perhaps he had knowledge of what Richmond and other clubs were doing? As I said, ultimately he'll be judged on the list

 

[eaglevision]

You've certainly posted ad nauseum.

Is there something of substance you’d like to add to the draft discussion?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I reckon quite a few have gone off way too early on Clarke. Ultimately he'll be judged on the list and although it's still all very speculative, the list looks in a better place already than when he was given the job, and with 2 1sts and 2 2nds to come next year

He was saved by the drafting team and other teams refusing to trade on draft night saved him from himself.

I want clarke no where near trade negotiations next off season

 

[pantskyle]

3-Rodriguez
13-Curtin
21-Swadling
30-Banfield match
48-Walley match

I see a major flaw with this. We're winning the flag.

 

[stylish]

I reckon quite a few have gone off way too early on Clarke. Ultimately he'll be judged on the list and although it's still all very speculative, the list looks in a better place already than when he was given the job, and with 2 1sts and 2 2nds to come next year

I agree completely.

If the tea leaves are right Hawthorn initially offered a #14 take it or leave it with an end date of midday Friday. Clarke quite rightly refused that and WC got blindsided when Hawthorn movied that pick on.
The biggest issue was committing to Baker based on his terms for Richmond being "rewarded adequately".
I think Bond 007 said somewhere, Baker was an early 2nd rnd pick and most neutrals would agree that was about right. Maybe Baker has an overinflated opinion of his own value coz pick 12 isn't it.

Anyway- the drafting team rode in and made it all better, so all in all, we should be happy at the end.

But I'd imagine lessons were learnt here and I can't imagine Pyke would give Clarke 'Kate Blanchett' next year.

 

[amazingjoshy]

He was saved by the drafting team and other teams refusing to trade on draft night saved him from himself.

I want clarke no where near trade negotiations next off season

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it

I'll judge him on the state of the list and I'm feeling like it's not the doom and gloom it's been looking the last few years, so I'm giving him a pass so far

 

[chaddy22]

In amongst the shitstorm that greeted the pick 3 trade, there was a little bit of ire reserved for the pick exchange at the back end of the draft as part of the Owies acquisition

Somehow the exchange of picks 63 and 68 for Owies and 73 was a mini disaster. So what did it cost us?

North used their R4 pick on Luke Urquhart which by that point was pick 57 and the pick before what had been the pick 63 we sent to Carlton

The pick 73 received from Carlton we used to draft Hamish Davis with what was then pick 65

In between
58- Jasper Alger
59- Tyler Welsh (F/S)
60- Patrick Said
61- Rhys Unwin
62- Luke Kennedy
63- Jaren Carr (F/S)
64- Cody Anderson (NGA)

I don’t think that part of the trade cost us much, if anything

And a bid never came for Champion so the lost points value was also a non-factor

To keep the round 3 pick we would have at the very least got pick 14 from Hawthorn.
That pick would have gone to Richmond.
I think that would have left us with 3,26 and 59?
We wouldn't have got a extra pick for the 12 slide and to have to give up a couple of future picks to get back in around the forties mark..
it would have left us with one future first round pick and maybe a future fourth for next year.
The hated hawthorn trade actually gave us more picks for next year and we used up our future third to get back into this years draft.
Yes we gave up pick 3 but we ended up with a not too shabby draft haul this year and we ended up with a better draft hand next year we wouldn't had if we kept our pick 3.

We may have lost the battle over trade week but we have won the war on draft night and next years draft.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

According to the stickied post, we have one main list spot, and one rookie list spot. But that doesn't account for Champion. Does he go into the rookie list spot? Or do Cat-B rookies not count?

 

[RuffMagician]

They also have ~$2m a year tied up in those ruck stocks, maybe more

Probably more than double what we’re paying Flynn, Williams and Barnett

Knobel would’ve been handy but there’s no point bringing someone to the club you know doesn’t want to be there

Any idea on why he didn't want to be at the Eagles?

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[new breed]

According to the stickied post, we have one main list spot, and one rookie list spot. But that doesn't account for Champion. Does he go into the rookie list spot? Or do Cat-B rookies not count?

Cat B doesn't count , I main list- 1 rookie spot .

 

[Keys]

For anyone that wants to claim our rebuild/list transition didn’t start at the end of 2021

This is the age breakdown of our playing list at January 1, 2025



Or broken down into age brackets




Some random notes

• From the 2021 playing list, only 14 remain. Effectively two thirds of the list has been turned over from 3 years ago
• Only 7 premiership players remain plus another 3 who were on the list in 2018
• Of the players we brought in via trade or draft from 2018-20, only 4 are left (Kelly, BWilliams, Edwards and Jamieson)
• There are 23 players on the list that were added via the draft, rookie draft, midseason draft and NGA program from 2021-24
• Another 6 players on the list were added as trades or free agents over the same period
• At least half our list will be 21 or under to start next year. Just 4 will be 30 or over
• Jeremy McGovern

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Jeremy Mcgovern

Age

32

Ht

197cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

4.6

3star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

238.7

4star

D

12.4

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

3star

MG

183.4

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

2.2

2star

M

7.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

who turns 33 on 15/4 is the oldest player on our list. Tom Gross and Lucca Grego the youngest having both turned 18 on 15/9

 

[ZergMinion]

According to the stickied post, we have one main list spot, and one rookie list spot. But that doesn't account for Champion. Does he go into the rookie list spot? Or do Cat-B rookies not count?

Our Cat B's were full, so one of our previous Cat B's will have moved to the rookie list unless we are allowed 3 Cat B's these days.

 

[amazingjoshy]

For anyone that wants to claim our rebuild/list transition didn’t start at the end of 2021

This is the age breakdown of our playing list at January 1, 2025

View attachment 2173233

Or broken down into age brackets


View attachment 2173234

Some random notes

• From the 2021 playing list, only 14 remain. Effectively two thirds of the list has been turned over from 3 years ago
• Only 7 premiership players remain plus another 3 who were on the list in 2018
• Of the players we brought in via trade or draft from 2018-20, only 4 are left (Kelly, BWilliams, Edwards and Jamieson)
• There are 23 players on the list that were added via the draft, rookie draft, midseason draft and NGA program from 2021-24
• Another 6 players on the list were added as trades or free agents over the same period
• At least half our list will be 21 or under to start next year. Just 4 will be 30 or over
• Jeremy McGovern who turns 33 on 15/4 is the oldest player on our list. Tom Gross and Lucca Grego the youngest having both turned 18 on 15/9

Stolen from some random off twitter/x

23 u23 side

Call me crazy but really doesn't look half bad. There's plenty of potential there already