List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Drafted

• Bo Allan - Pick 16
• Jobe Shanahan - Pick 30
• Tom Gross - Pick 46
• Lucca Grego - Pick 48
• Hamish Davis - Pick 65
• Malakai Champion - Cat B

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• One on either main OR rookie list to be filled as a SSP selection following train on assessments

Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling

 

[6285sutto]

Can someone please explain how the bidding system works?

I look at the below matched bids and it doesnt seem consistent or even remotely fair. Not sure why all the picks used to match arn't consumed when a bid is matched? It just doesnt make sense that if you use 4 picks you still get 3 back.

Brisbane essentially traded pick 20 with Richmond for Picks 32, 42, 43, 45 which was way overs what they paid for Ashcroft at pick 5! A 20% discount on bids does not translate from pick 5 to 20 in my mind. Additionally, they also got 3 late picks back in addition to Ashcroft? I get that its a point system but it doent make sense that you get picks back. I mean GCS use pick 58 in their Lombard bid and then got pick 58 back in compensation, explain the logic in that?


Draft Night Matched Bids Below

5. Brisbane Lions - Levi Ashcroft (midfielder, Sandringham Dragons/Old Brighton Grammarians) [Melbourne bid matched using picks 40, 42, 43 and 46, gaining 68, 94 and 97]

9. Gold Coast Suns - Leo Lombard (midfielder, Gold Coast Suns Academy/Broadbeach) [St Kilda bid matched using picks 40, 41, 48 and 58, gaining 58, 89 and 94]

13. Essendon - Isaac Kako (small forward, Calder Cannons/Northern Saints) [Richmond bid matched using picks 33 and 34, gaining 60]

42. Brisbane Lions - Ty Gallop (key forward, Maroochydore) [Geelong bid matched using picks 56 and 59]

54. Carlton - Lucas Camporeale (wing, Glenelg/Brighton Districts & Old Scholars) [Sydney bid matched using picks 63, 67]

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Errr…. You’re ok to take Mitch Edwards but don’t want to take Knobel because him and/or his manager have had a big sookie wookie?

Ok…

I didn’t say anything about Knobel’s manager? Or that I didn’t want to take him?

 

[BartBart]

There's no live trading available in the rookie draft lmao.

A shame

 

[squashface]

Think there’s only one person having a big sookie wookie right now and it isn’t Knobel/his manager

 

[6285sutto]

On a separate note I just did a massive deep dive into Brisbane off-season trading and drafting. Super complicated to try and follow the picks due to assitence picks and the bidding but the summary is below. Looking at this there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they won the trade/draft period and will be celebrating this win for years to come (2024 premier ship was just a bonus).

Picks Before Trade Period:
18, 56, 69

During the trade Period they gave up:
F2, F3, and H.Sharp

After Draft they got:

Pick 5 (Ashcroft)
Pick 25 (Marshall)
Pick 42 (Gallop)
F3 (ESS)
F3 (WCE)
F3 (GCS)
F3 (WB)
F4 (StK)

Note, they also started passing their countless late picks at 65 (1 pick before WCE picked Davis).

 

[eaglevision]

Errr…. You’re ok to take Mitch Edwards but don’t want to take Knobel because him and/or his manager have had a big sookie wookie?

Ok…

Were you not insinuating in a previous post that we should take a KPD in SSP rather than Knobel then try for Edwards in a year? If not apologies, that’s how I read it.

 

[eaglevision]

Think there’s only one person having a big sookie wookie right now and it isn’t Knobel/his manager

To be fair I think there’s a few of us, but well played.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Not sure why all the picks used to match arn't consumed when a bid is matched? It just doesnt make sense that if you use 4 picks you still get 3 back.

You get three back because you’ve still got three list spots to fill (in theory). The first pick you get back represents the leftover points, the other two are at the back of the draft.

Brisbane essentially traded pick 20 with Richmond for Picks 32, 42, 43, 45 which was way overs what they paid for Ashcroft at pick 5! A 20% discount on bids does not translate from pick 5 to 20 in my mind.

Yeah it overvalues picks in the 40s which is why teams like Brisbane who needed to match high bids stocked up on those picks. They’re supposedly reforming that next year, they didn’t get around to it this year.

I mean GCS use pick 58 in their Lombard bid and then got pick 58 back in compensation, explain the logic in that?

The picks they give up are based on the order at the time of the bid, the picks they get back are based on the order once the picks they give up are removed. So if they give up 40, 41, 48 and 58, then all the picks in the 50s and 60s shuffle up, then they get pick 58 back, which would now be slotting in between what was previously about picks 61 and 62.

It’s a very confusing, inelegant system.

 

[Mr Q]

After Draft they got:

Pick 5 (Ashcroft)
Pick 25 (Marshall)
Pick 42 (Gallop)
F3 (ESS)
F3 (WCE)
F3 (GCS)
F3 (WB)
F4 (StK)

I'm assuming they have academy/FS picks lined up next year to explain this or they're stockpiling those picks to offer to a club looking to dump high picks ahead of their academy/FS pick next year.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Were you not insinuating in a previous post that we should take a KPD in SSP rather than Knobel then try for Edwards in a year? If not apologies, that’s how I read it.

I’m saying that’s what we’re doing. I don’t really have a view on what we SHOULD be doing.

I can see the logic in what they’re doing. I could also see the logic in sniping Knobel even though it would have left our list full.

What’s done is done. We’ll still need ruck support next year, I think Edwards is someone worth chasing. Is that unacceptable in some way?

 

[eaglevision]

What’s done is done. We’ll still need ruck support next year, I think Edwards is someone worth chasing. Is that unacceptable in some way?

I’ll let you do your own research into that.

 

[Elite Pete]

Of course Knobel was saying he didnt want to come to us, he was probably told by Freo to play it cool and not speak to other clubs so he slides through. If we did draft him I bet he would have been fine after 10min as he didnt need to move and would jump up to being a chance of playing far quicker. He would have changed his mind very quickly and been a happy camper if he is close to getting games (after being no 4 at Freo). Hell, he may even come around to Gold Coast, they took a punt because he has the size and talent. We didnt even though we had much more in our favour. We were just short sighted, didnt have the balls and were nice guys - true to form.

I know it’s from an ‘inside source’ I doubt if Knobel was offered a 2 year deal on our main list he would’ve knocked it back to get delisted and go in the draft to hopefully get on Freo rookie list and probably playing WAFL magoos again next year.

 

[BartBart]

On a separate note I just did a massive deep dive into Brisbane off-season trading and drafting. Super complicated to try and follow the picks due to assitence picks and the bidding but the summary is below. Looking at this there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they won the trade/draft period and will be celebrating this win for years to come (2024 premier ship was just a bonus).

Picks Before Trade Period:
18, 56, 69

During the trade Period they gave up:
F2, F3, and H.Sharp

After Draft they got:

Pick 5 (Ashcroft)
Pick 25 (Marshall)
Pick 42 (Gallop)
F3 (ESS)
F3 (WCE)
F3 (GCS)
F3 (WB)
F4 (StK)

Note, they also started passing their countless late picks at 65 (1 pick before WCE picked Davis).

Do they have more Academy/F-S players next year that they are stockpiling pts for?

Or is it a bank of points to trade up from?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I’ll let you do your own research into that.

I’m always wary when someone on the internet suggests I do my own research. Cliffs notes at least?

 

[6285sutto]

You get three back because you’ve still got three list spots to fill (in theory). The first pick you get back represents the leftover points, the other two are at the back of the draft.

Yeah it overvalues picks in the 40s which is why teams like Brisbane who needed to match high bids stocked up on those picks. They’re supposedly reforming that next year, they didn’t get around to it this year.

The picks they give up are based on the order at the time of the bid, the picks they get back are based on the order once the picks they give up are removed. So if they give up 40, 41, 48 and 58, then all the picks in the 50s and 60s shuffle up, then they get pick 58 back, which would now be slotting in between what was previously about picks 61 and 62.

It’s a very confusing, inelegant system.

Thank you Sir, sounds like you have a grasp on it. If the picks were used up, the 3 picks returned should go to end of the draft. Not scattered throughout in my opinion. It's not as though Brisbane didnt have any other picks with full hand of 3rd, 4th, 5th rounds etc?

Why also were both of Brisbanes & Carltons picks consumed for their late bid matches?

The more I try and understand it the less I do

 

[eaglevision]

Do they have more Academy/F-S players next year that they are stockpiling pts for?

Or is it a bank of points to trade up from?

They have some amazing 1R NGAs next year.

 

[eaglevision]

I’m always wary when someone on the internet suggests I do my own research. Cliffs notes at least?

Not with this one mate.

 

[6285sutto]

Do they have more Academy/F-S players next year that they are stockpiling pts for?

Or is it a bank of points to trade up from?

Not sure mate, but wouldn't suprise me if they dont have their own players needing to match bids on they could package up all of the F3's into a 1st rounder with another club who does need to match their own bids.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Thank you Sir, sounds like you have a grasp on it. If the picks were used up, the 3 picks returned should go to end of the draft. Not scattered throughout in my opinion. It's not as though Brisbane didnt have any other picks with full hand of 3rd, 4th, 5th rounds etc?

Why also were both of Brisbanes & Carltons picks consumed for their late bid matches?

The more I try and understand it the less I do

The last pick isn’t necessarily “used up”. There might be some points left over. Eg If they need 500 points to match and the three picks they use add up to 570 points, they get 70 points back - or rather they get a pick that’s worth 70 points.

 

[bzparkes]

I’m always wary when someone on the internet suggests I do my own research. Cliffs notes at least?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Do they have more Academy/F-S players next year that they are stockpiling pts for?

Or is it a bank of points to trade up from?

Brisbane had left over picks and no lists spots available after ashcroft and Marshall went later than expected.

Just good business to push those picks into next season by trading them for future picks .

 

[JackOutback]

I’m always wary when someone on the internet suggests I do my own research. Cliffs notes at least?

From memory, and with no specific knowledge, I think there were rumours of character issues, some kind of incident that would deter some clubs from picking him. No idea if true or not.

 

[Keys]

In amongst the shitstorm that greeted the pick 3 trade, there was a little bit of ire reserved for the pick exchange at the back end of the draft as part of the Owies acquisition

Somehow the exchange of picks 63 and 68 for Owies and 73 was a mini disaster. So what did it cost us?

North used their R4 pick on Luke Urquhart which by that point was pick 57 and the pick before what had been the pick 63 we sent to Carlton

The pick 73 received from Carlton we used to draft Hamish Davis with what was then pick 65

In between
58- Jasper Alger
59- Tyler Welsh (F/S)
60- Patrick Said
61- Rhys Unwin
62- Luke Kennedy
63- Jaren Carr (F/S)
64- Cody Anderson (NGA)

I don’t think that part of the trade cost us much, if anything

And a bid never came for Champion so the lost points value was also a non-factor

 

[bzparkes]

From memory, and with no specific knowledge, I think there were rumours of character issues, some kind of incident that would deter some clubs from picking him. No idea if true or not.

 

[Hook461123]

Interesting that Eagles, Dogs and GCS all traded a F3 to Brissie for their picks in the 40's but Saints had to cough up a F2 to the Dons.

Looking at the picks for next year and bloody Gold Coast still have 3xR1 picks again next year. Are they ever going to run our of first rounders ffs. They really should be starting to win finals now.