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This statement: ['In the Deeds of Settlement, the AFL acknowledges that neither Essendon Football Club nor any of the individuals charged set out to implement a supplements program that would result in players being administered prohibited or potentially harmful substances.'] is crucial...

I'm particularly upset that we've lost (apparently) three early round draft picks over the next two years, as I hoped we'd bargain our way out of those, even though the chips weren't on our side. But I believe that Little, and others, have clearly acted with the club's best interests in mind...

I'm not going to comment on attractiveness either way, but I got the sense that she was very upset, because the vibe out of the press conference was very different from what she and certain others have been spinning in the last few weeks. I imagine Wilson and Smith will have been fuming as well.

Pretty much word for word what I yelled out :D

On the balance, it could be worse. I don't think either 'side' will be fully happy with that, but it allows us to move forward without compromising the club for the next five years.

Not if it hasn't been taken.

So the "circumstantial evidence" they've been relying on, is implying that Dank has been lying about TB4 ever since - which is probably a more believable scenario than Dank actually stuffing up so badly in that interview. But it can't be proven either way, so nothing changes.

If Hird maintains that he can keep coaching us, by all means. Don't give the media the satisfaction of having us stand him down. Honestly his mind, and the minds of the players, has been elsewhere for a little while now, but can you blame him? I can't. We've been ripped to shreds by the media...

I don't believe this issue should be the sole criteria for evaluating Hird's performance, as much as it has ruined our season and damaged our club, it was not solely his fault and we have been punished out of proportion. He is tactically quite astute, a good man manager, and I would like to see...

I know there are some who are angry at the prospect of a deal, but this is a fight we can't win. If we can salvage an arrangement that vindicates us against the slanderous claims of drug cheating, I will take it, although I remain of the belief that James Hird does not deserve a 12 month...

Tens (hundreds?) of thousands of twisted nobodies out there, plenty have the ability, initiative, and motive to do this IMHO. I agree, the idea that the AFL or a professional in the media (I was only joking when I suggested Caro) might be behind it, is a conspiracy theory with no evidence and...

I'm 100% sure that every real parent out there knows that Essendon aren't that sort of club.

I think sadly that ship has sailed :( I didn't want this. I would have copped the AFL hitting us for governance, and slapping us with a proportional penalty that was harsh but fair. But for them to accuse us of things for which there is no evidence, and declaring us guilty unless we can prove...

It's now a weak claim on their part. Besides, at the end of the day, you can't be both anomyous and credible. The two are mutually exclusive. As I said, it makes for a great story, but anyone who wants to form a fair judgement in their own mind would be advised to ignore the call.

Why? Essendon has fully supported the parents at every point of this mess. She'd have to be some kind of conspiracy lunatic if she couldn't see that - and those people tend to be identified fairly early in the piece. There are too many contradictions now to credibly suggest that the person was a...

Highly unlikely. I'm certain that every parent at that meeting had very good reason to be confident, and the backstab from the AFL would not have changed that. The fact that a mother would have a) not felt so b) been inclined to call talkback and c) then denied it all to Essendon the following...

I think we're going to lose this one, simply because the power of the interests arrayed against us is too great, and we'll be punished punitively for fighting. If that happens, nobody should feel ashamed. As a club we stuffed up in a previous season, we admitted to it, and we sorted ourselves...

This has become bigger than football now - it's about justice and fairness. People's reputations have been smeared, and while the club has been at best negligent, and we've owned up to severe issues with our governance over the past couple of seasons, there are accusations being thrown that...

I still rate Fairfax over Murdoch for most news tbh, and I feel I have good reasons for that. But the Herald Sun's sports section is quality, free from editorial intervention, and they have some good people working for them. Fairfax seems to be using sensationalism to try and compete...

If the sanction was even on the same planet as that level of severity, the AFL would be visibly panicking right now because Essendon is one of the clubs that actually makes them money.

Accountable for what they 'intended' to do? Who will be the judge of that?

I think there are three key issues: who has the authority to determine whether it is banned, who has the responsibility to check, and with whom. It appears that there's been confusion and/or lack of clarity, and that's the root cause of this entire scandal, and why apportioning blame is a...

Yes, but you're implying that the club knew that a punitive penalty would be handed down, and have been deceiving the supporters in an attempt to delay the worst of the reaction as long as possible. That doesn't match up with the picture that many others see. As far as the club are concerned...

Why? There's no upside to building up bomber fans' hopes than dashing them when a highly punitive sanction (as yet not telegraphed) is imposed. It's possible that it's mischief making of some sort, but you'd like to have more faith in human nature than that. I think we're not far away off from...

I suspect they're going to gloss over AOD 9604 as much as possible, because it's pretty embarassing to all parties :) - but innocous in the bigger scheme of things.

Other than the facts, that's the real story of this saga. Essendon bashers have been given free reign in the media to unleash bile, some of which has been very personally distressing to figures associated with Essendon. Meanwhile, Essendon supporters have been cut off and censored, while people...

Don't listen to SEN at that time anyway. Finey has said more common sense than anyone else on that station, on this issue as with all others, noting that Tim is being particularly cautious for a number of reasons.

I don't think that's likely, Yoda. I believe we'll lose points for 2013 and be barred from the finals - not because we deserve to, but because the AFL need to be seen to have done something about the whole mess. No one will want to see anything more, because in truth ASADA are as much as, or...

I feel a bit sorry for Robinson to be honest. He clearly has a complex about how he was sacked for stuffing up last year, and he's made up a bunch of stories in his head to justify his own actions. Now that he's been publicly shown as having no credibility, I hope the media can leave him alone...

God, it's a laugh that some of you people are trying to spin Robinson lying about Hird as all being Hird's fault :D