Player Watch #13 Clayton Oliver – UNPRECEDENTED 4x B&F, 3x AA, 2x AFLCA Winner and Premiership Player (formerly)

[Scythe94]

OK, I've removed about three pages of posts.

Please do not use this thread to speculate about Oliver's private life – medical or otherwise.

Regardless of the veracity of your rumour, or what you know/have heard, if it's not public knowledge, just don't post it.

I don't want to turn this place into Demonland, but if you can't see the potential harm that this sort of rumour-spreading can cause (regardless of your intentions), then perhaps it's best if you take a bit of a break.

Thanks.

 

[Bluelegs]

Love that he has re-signed.

Not to go all Danster, just playing devils advocate, giving a 7 year contract to a bash and crash type player seems iffy. Counter balancing this is that he never misses a game to this point in his career.

Would hope we have front loaded the s**t out of it.

Lol I guess it could also be front loaded if we've resigned ourselves to losing Jacko and just given Clarry all the money.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

I’d normally only reserve such long contracts for players with decent forward craft, but **** me I guess

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

A deal that long would likely be hugely back-ended to help fit Brayshaw and Dogga in.

Back ended would be risky. I think it could be more a sign that Jackson is off so we are spending our cash on others.

 

[Bluelegs]

Back ended would be risky. I think it could be more a sign that Jackson is off so we are spending our cash on others.

If we see Gus and others sign on over this week and Dogga is still up in the air then yeah he's 100% gone.

 

[schmuttt]

Brilliant news. As I said years ago will retire as our best ever.

 

[Bluelegs]

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

Back ended would be risky. I think it could be more a sign that Jackson is off so we are spending our cash on others.

Back ending 3-4 year deals are the riskiest IMO. If you backend a 7 year deal the amount of money they end up getting paid in year 6 or 7 sounds like overs now but won't be as significant with inflation and new rights deals increasing wages over that period.

I suspect that's what they've done and Clarry has taken a hit in the initial years to (hopefully) allow us to sign up Gus and others.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Back ending 3-4 year deals are the riskiest IMO. If you backend a 7 year deal the amount of money they end up getting paid in year 6 or 7 sounds like overs now but won't be as significant with inflation and new rights deals increasing wages over that period.

This is true, I guess it depends when players can negotiate on a bigger salary cap

 

[KickLongTackleHard]

Awesome. Trac and Clarry for life.

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

This is true, I guess it depends when players can negotiate on a bigger salary cap

Yeah I don't know what the rules are around that. Everyone gets the benefit of the uplift when the AFLPA do a new deal but a bigger salary cap still means that the size of deal a top end player can get is bigger than it would be under current deals.

You'd assume we wouldn't sign Gus to a deal longer than 3 years with his concussion history, so if Clarry is lighter on in those years this deal can help get that deal done.

 

[Scythe94]

Considering he's currently well on track to B & F number four at age 24 and is only getting better, it's not ridiculous to consider that he could end his career as an 8+ time winner, which would be twice the next best (Stynes, La Fontaine). Ridiculous

 

[Bluelegs]

Back ending 3-4 year deals are the riskiest IMO. If you backend a 7 year deal the amount of money they end up getting paid in year 6 or 7 sounds like overs now but won't be as significant with inflation and new rights deals increasing wages over that period.

I suspect that's what they've done and Clarry has taken a hit in the initial years to (hopefully) allow us to sign up Gus and others.

True. The Franklin deal proved to be completely workable for Sydney.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

True. The Franklin deal proved to be completely workable for Sydney.

We dont COLA in our cap to rort the system like Sydney did.

 

[Scythe94]

#unprecedented

 

[Jibroni]

Considering he's currently well on track to B & F number four at age 24 and is only getting better, it's not ridiculous to consider that he could end his career as an 8+ time winner, which would be twice the next best (Stynes, La Fontaine). Ridiculous

Add to that multiple flags and potentially a Brownlow he will end up a Demon and AFL legend.

 

[Grimesy87]

Love that he has re-signed.

Not to go all Danster, just playing devils advocate, giving a 7 year contract to a bash and crash type player seems iffy. Counter balancing this is that he never misses a game to this point in his career.

Would hope we have front loaded the s**t out of it.

While I definitely see your point, he's played 138 of a possible 151 games since drafted.

 

[Bluelegs]

We dont COLA in our cap to rort the system like Sydney did.

They lost COLA right after the deal was done, didn't they?

 

[LeverPuller]

#unprecedented

I wasn’t wrong #unprecedented

 

[mrmonkey]

I saw a stat earlier this year that if you're a goal down with a couple of minutes to go, to win you're better off kicking a behind than a goal because it's more likely you will kick a goal from the returning kick in than score from a centre clearance and more likely the opposition will score from centre clearance than score from their own kick in.

Sometimes when opposition have momentum they generate a lot of chances resulting in behinds. Sometimes you think it's better if a goal is kicked as the attacking team just have it hemmed in their forward line. A goal atleast gets it back to half way and with 6-6-6 it's even all across the ground not stuck at one end with 36 blokes. It's the same thing when people say had we been more accurate we would be x amount of goals up. Not necessarily, if a team has it hemmed in their forward line that's the reason why they are accumulating the amount of behinds as soon as a goal is kicked then it changes everything.

 

[mrmonkey]

They lost COLA right after the deal was done, didn't they?

Correct, there was discussion earlier in the year about reinstating it but haven't heard much since.

“Massive factor”: Is it time for the AFL to bring back COLA for Sydney and GWS?

Sydney captain Callum Mills, CEO Tom Harley and Kane Cornes and David King give their thoughts.

www.sen.com.au

I remember Andrew gaze comparing the rent of blacktown in nsw 42km from Sydney to being the equivalent of Glen iris (10km from Melbourne). This seriously shocks me, Glen iris is a very nice suburb, I can't say much about blacktown, I went there for a gws game, but I would hazard a guess and say it's not as equally nice as Glen iris.

 

[Bluelegs]

Sometimes when opposition have momentum they generate a lot of chances resulting in behinds. Sometimes you think it's better if a goal is kicked as the attacking team just have it hemmed in their forward line. A goal atleast gets it back to half way and with 6-6-6 it's even all across the ground not stuck at one end with 36 blokes. It's the same thing when people say had we been more accurate we would be x amount of goals up. Not necessarily, if a team has it hemmed in their forward line that's the reason why they are accumulating the amount of behinds as soon as a goal is kicked then it changes everything.

Yeah I think it makes total sense with 6-6-6 you get an even chance in the middle to win the ball and kick to an open forwardline vs a kick in where you need to move the ball across the entire ground through the oppositions structure. Unless you execute the perfect kick into a high risk area it's incredibly difficult to pull off. More likely the opposition just force a contest around their 50m line with their entire defensive strucutre set up. Then you're in the same position as a centre clearance in a worse spot.

 

[Tulip]

Back ended would be risky. I think it could be more a sign that Jackson is off so we are spending our cash on others.

Where will we be in 5-6 years though? Probably doing/having done some form of mini rebuild I guess.

 

[Bluelegs]

Correct, there was discussion earlier in the year about reinstating it but haven't heard much since.

“Massive factor”: Is it time for the AFL to bring back COLA for Sydney and GWS?

Sydney captain Callum Mills, CEO Tom Harley and Kane Cornes and David King give their thoughts.

www.sen.com.au

Yuck. It's actually ridiculous how out of touch footballers are when they're complaining about house prices and rent when they earn on average 400k a year. How do they reckon the other 5 million Sydney residents get by?

 

[mrmonkey]

Yuck. It's actually ridiculous how out of touch footballers are when they're complaining about house prices and rent when they earn on average 400k a year. How do they reckon the other 5 million Sydney residents get by?

The punters out in blacktown probably punching out 70 hour working week.

 

[ImissFrosty]

How good is it that we have the two best mids in the game both demons for life. It's seriously impressive, Clarry is only getting started too