List Mgmt. 2009 Drafts

[Calcium Man]

2009 AFL Draft:
Pick 3 - Dustin Martin. Huge success when you consider the top 10 from that year.
Pick 19 - Ben Griffiths. Success although a few players who went directly after him have had better careers to date and are better players but then again he is ahead of a quite a few players picked ahead of him.
Pick 35 - David Astbury. Success. Only Allen Christenson has a better career than him from those picked before our next pick. Needs to stay on the track however.
Pick 44 - Matt Dea. Most likely a failure, has never been given a real opportunity both from injuries and coaches unwilling to use him.
Pick 51 - Troy Taylor. Failure but was worth the risk. Showed he was very talented and would have made it, if he had not been a complete an utter campaigner.
Pick 67 - Jeromey Webberly. Failure but didn't miss out on anyone taken after him.
Pick 71 - Ben Nason. Failure but didn't miss out on anyone taken after him.
PSD - Dylan Grimes. Success.

4/8. A rating. Very well done.

2010 (compromised) AFL draft:
Pick 6 - Recce Conca. Could have done better. Easily an AFL player but because he was taken over Heppell and Prestia everyone acts as if he is lucky to be on an AFL list.
Pick 30 - Jake Batchelor. Should have taken Parker, much bigger mistake than Conca over Heppell.
Pick 47 - Brad Helbig. Failure.
Pick 63 - Tom Derickx. Failure.
PSD - Bachar Houli. Big success.

3/6. B- rating due missing out of the better players with the first two picks.

2011 (compromised) AFL Draft:
Pick 15 - Brandon Ellis. Big success given he would have most likely gone in the 20's in an un-compromised draft.
Pick 26 - Todd Elton. Wait and see. Starting to show signs as a key defender.
Pick 55 - Matt Arnot. Failure. In hindsight could of had Lachie Neale.
PSD - Brett O'Hanlan. Failure.

1/4. B rating at this point. If Elton comes on then potentially an A.

2012 AFL draft:
Pick 9 - Nick Vlastuin. Success. Has outperformed a few blokes taken ahead of him. With more consistent four quarter efforts, will be a gun.
Pick 31 - Kamdyn McIntosh. Looking like he will be a success after all.
Pick 33 - Liam McBean. Showed plenty of signs at VFL level and considering he was a long term project is ahead of where he needs to be.
Pick 42 - Matt McDonough. Plenty of ability just needs to be given the opportunity.

1/4. B rating at this point but could easily be an A+ rating in a years time.

2013 AFL draft:
Pick 12 - Ben Lennon. Confident he will be easily a top 10 player at the club once given the opportunity and a full preseason. Too much talent to not be.
Pick 50 - Nathan Gordon. Failure.
Pick 66 - Sam Lloyd. Failure.

1/3. A rating simply as after pick 30 there is nothing to do this draft.

All in all I think for the best part we have drafted well with the possibility of having done excellently should certain players be given an opportunity. A few bad misses (2010 draft) but have done much better than some other clubs. Any pick after 50 isn't worth much consideration when weighing up whether or not Jackson and co are up to the necessary standards required.

Good analysis. The problem is most people expect way more hits then misses but the reality is a 30-40% hit rate for getting an AFL player is very good when you look league wide.

But people see the 1 or 2 guys that have made it from a latish pick at other clubs and assume they have drafted amazingly without sifting through their entire drafts to realise the club got 1 or 2 out 10 or 12 picks and that the actual kid was surrounded but 20 duds other clubs picked.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Actually Calcium Man the odds for sides who wish to rise up the ladder have to be a lot better than 30-40% . This is exhibited and is the reason I relate strongly to the 2008-2009 drafts , because the clubs who drafted higher than 70% plus that are still playing are now challenging.
Those who didn't are struggling . Based on Averages playing life is 7 years list of 47 means on average over 6 players per year , @30% that is 18 picks a year , it doesn't happen.
Clubs need to be going well and truly above 30%.

 

[TigerImposter]

Actually Calcium Man the odds for sides who wish to rise up the ladder have to be a lot better than 30-40% . This is exhibited and is the reason I relate strongly to the 2008-2009 drafts , because the clubs who drafted higher than 70% plus that are still playing are now challenging.
Those who didn't are struggling . Based on Averages playing life is 7 years list of 47 means on average over 6 players per year , @30% that is 18 picks a year , it doesn't happen.
Clubs need to be going well and truly above 30%.

Great point as Wallace was lamenting on TAC show two years ago ,"you make your own destiny with your picks and WE got it wrong" were his exact words followed by " Hawthorn nailed it"

 

[Rubber Hips]

2010 rookie hurt as well

Most here were screaming Michael Barlow...rookie him please..but this is what happened

Pick 7 Robert Hicks Calder Cannons TAC Cup Richmond
Pick 8 Michael Barlow Werribee VFL Fremantle

 

[NUFC Tiger]

2010 rookie hurt as well

Most here were screaming Michael Barlow...rookie him please..but this is what happened

Pick 7 Robert Hicks Calder Cannons TAC Cup Richmond
Pick 8 Michael Barlow Werribee VFL Fremantle

That's makes for sad reading.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

2010 rookie hurt as well

Most here were screaming Michael Barlow...rookie him please..but this is what happened

Pick 7 Robert Hicks Calder Cannons TAC Cup Richmond
Pick 8 Michael Barlow Werribee VFL Fremantle

Luckily that we don't need a bigger bodied midfielder getting it 25-30 times a game .

 

[TJTIGER]

Luckily that we don't need a bigger bodied midfielder getting it 25-30 times a game .

YEAH !!!!...WHAT"S that you say????

 

[RichoLedio]

Luckily that we don't need a bigger bodied midfielder getting it 25-30 times a game .

What a pain in the arse that would be

 

[tigs2010]

Luckily that we don't need a bigger bodied midfielder getting it 25-30 times a game .

Would make a decent back pocket.

 

[Coach_Required]

Not sure why people keep looking back at past drafts and talk about what if's, the season is depressing enough already, what are you trying to do? Cause mass suicides?

 

[Rubber Hips]

Not sure why people keep looking back at past drafts and talk about what if's, the season is depressing enough already, what are you trying to do? Cause mass suicides?

Agree let's look forward, things couldn't get any worse...could they?
Norf
Filth
Port
Freo
Druggos......help me Jemus!!!!

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Would make a decent back pocket.

Found your keyboard tigs2010, I'm telling Groupie_

 

[tigs2010]

Found your keyboard tigs2010, I'm telling Groupie_

Please don't

 

[57Tig]

We are often having ago at our draft selections but our 2009 selection first 3 not super but not bad compared to other sides yes some did a lot better but I think as an overall we were not far out.
« 2008 AFL National Draft 2009 Pre-Season Draft | 2009 Rookie Draft 2010 AFL National Draft »
AFL National Draft held at the end of Season 2009 2009 AFL National Draft Summary
Round Pick Drafted By Player Current Team Games Since Drafted
1 Priority Melbourne Tom Scully GWS 92
2 Priority Melbourne Jack Trengove Melbourne 81
1 3 Richmond Dustin Martin Richmond 114
1 4 Fremantle Anthony Morabito Fremantle 26
1 5 North Melbourne Ben Cunnington North Melbourne 105
1 6 Sydney Gary Rohan Sydney 49
1 7 West Coast Bradley Sheppard West Coast 65
1 8 Port Adelaide John Butcher Port Adelaide 24
1 9 Port Adelaide Andrew Moore Port Adelaide 50
1 10 Essendon Jake Melksham Essendon 102
1 11 Melbourne Jordan Gysberts 19
1 12 Carlton Kane Lucas West Coast 42
1 13 Adelaide Daniel Talia Adelaide 82
1 14 Sydney Lewis Jetta Sydney 109
1 15 Western Bulldogs Christian Howard 20
1 16 Port Adelaide Jasper Pittard Port Adelaide 62
1 17 Geelong Daniel Menzel Geelong 21
2 18 Melbourne Luke Tapscott 48
2 19 Richmond Benjamin Griffiths Richmond 40
2 20 Fremantle Nathan Fyfe Fremantle 98
2 21 North Melbourne Ryan Bastinac North Melbourne 109
2 22 West Coast Gerrick Weedon 1
2 23 West Coast Koby Stevens Western Bulldogs 54
2 24 Essendon Jake Carlisle Essendon 74
2 25 North Melbourne Aaron Black North Melbourne 48
2 26 Essendon Travis Colyer Essendon 52
2 27 Brisbane Callum Bartlett 0
2 28 Geelong Mitchell Duncan Geelong 106
2 29 Adelaide Jack Gunston Hawthorn 85
2 30 Collingwood Luke Ball 81
2 31 Western Bulldogs Jason Tutt Carlton 27
2 32 St Kilda Nicholas Winmar 2
2 33 Essendon Anthony Long 0
3 34 Melbourne Max Gawn Melbourne 26
3 35 Richmond David Astbury Richmond 41
3 36 Fremantle Joel Houghton 0
3 37 North Melbourne Jamie MacMillan North Melbourne 66
3 38 Sydney Sam Reid Sydney 81
3 39 Hawthorn Sam Grimley Hawthorn 3
3 40 Geelong Allen Christensen Brisbane 71
3 41 North Melbourne Ayden Kennedy 0
3 42 Geelong Nathan Vardy Geelong 21
3 43 Carlton Marcus Davies 17
3 44 Richmond Matthew Dea Richmond 31
3 45 Adelaide Sam Shaw Adelaide 22
3 46 Hawthorn Benjamin Stratton Hawthorn 98
3 47 Brisbane Ryan Harwood Brisbane 56
3 48 Fremantle Jesse Crichton 18
Run through Melbourne. Scully gone to GWS is he better than martin debate could be there but not a definate, Trengrove struggling granted with injury. Luke Tapscott not playing, Max gawn not firing even the other clbs have not produced anything much better than the tigs fyfe is one at fremanle and ther is others to debate but I think out first three selections overall are not faroff.

 

[57Tig]

even 2010 compare it can be argued and dont forget gold coast involvement but not far of the mark for the 3 rounds. helbig failed but also the round three selection was poor for most. I have raised this because of article in afl and people complaining about our recruitment. Can it be better hell yeh on hindsight and if other clubs before us don't take players we would want them.

 

[57Tig]

Great point as Wallace was lamenting on TAC show two years ago ,"you make your own destiny with your picks and WE got it wrong" were his exact words followed by " Hawthorn nailed it"

Actually I dont think our picks were that wrong just that in the early drafts before Hardwick and in his first couple of years I think it was the lack of development coaches. look where most players have developed successfully and they would be with the better clubs who had very experienced players. Remember we had a big clean out as well. It has taken a bit longer than I thought but I can see progress

 

[57Tig]

Richmond picks( not one left )
8 . Robin Nahas
20. Danny Myer
24. David Gourdis
39. Andrew Browne
53. Alroy Gilligan
67. pass

Others who were taken in the 2009 rookie draft after pick 8.
13. Zac Dawson.
19. Matt de boer
25. Luke Delaney
27. Jarryd Blair
29. Tom Simpkin
30. Liam Picken
35. Daniel Stewart
47. Luke Bruest
48. Clancee Pearce
57. Mike PYke ( international rookie)
69. Lachlan Keefe
74. Greg Broughton
76. Sam Jacobs
81. Mathew Suckling

 

[aislegi]

I doubt we've picked up a single star in any of the last six drafts.

I think this is why we haven't improved since 2012.

 

[57Tig]

confused with your list of 2009 draft this is what i thought they were.

Draft held at the end of AFL Season 2014 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997 1996 1995 1994 1993 1992 1991 1990 1989 1988 1987 Type NationalPre-SeasonRookie Sort By Pick Games
« 2008 AFL National Draft 2009 Pre-Season Draft | 2009 Rookie Draft 2010 AFL National Draft »
AFL National Draft held at the end of Season 2009 2009 AFL National Draft Summary
Round Pick Drafted By Player Current Team Games Since Drafted
1 Priority Melbourne Tom Scully GWS 92
2 Priority Melbourne Jack Trengove Melbourne 81
1 3 Richmond Dustin Martin Richmond 114
1 4 Fremantle Anthony Morabito Fremantle 26
1 5 North Melbourne Ben Cunnington North Melbourne 105
1 6 Sydney Gary Rohan Sydney 49
1 7 West Coast Bradley Sheppard West Coast 65
1 8 Port Adelaide John Butcher Port Adelaide 24
1 9 Port Adelaide Andrew Moore Port Adelaide 50
1 10 Essendon Jake Melksham Essendon 102
1 11 Melbourne Jordan Gysberts 19
1 12 Carlton Kane Lucas West Coast 42
1 13 Adelaide Daniel Talia Adelaide 82
1 14 Sydney Lewis Jetta Sydney 109
1 15 Western Bulldogs Christian Howard 20
1 16 Port Adelaide Jasper Pittard Port Adelaide 62
1 17 Geelong Daniel Menzel Geelong 21
2 18 Melbourne Luke Tapscott 48
2 19 Richmond Benjamin Griffiths Richmond 40
2 20 Fremantle Nathan Fyfe Fremantle 98
2 21 North Melbourne Ryan Bastinac North Melbourne 109
2 22 West Coast Gerrick Weedon 1
2 23 West Coast Koby Stevens Western Bulldogs 54
2 24 Essendon Jake Carlisle Essendon 74
2 25 North Melbourne Aaron Black North Melbourne 48
2 26 Essendon Travis Colyer Essendon 52
2 27 Brisbane Callum Bartlett 0
2 28 Geelong Mitchell Duncan Geelong 106
2 29 Adelaide Jack Gunston Hawthorn 85
2 30 Collingwood Luke Ball 81
2 31 Western Bulldogs Jason Tutt Carlton 27
2 32 St Kilda Nicholas Winmar 2
2 33 Essendon Anthony Long 0
3 34 Melbourne Max Gawn Melbourne 26
3 35 Richmond David Astbury Richmond 41
3 36 Fremantle Joel Houghton 0
3 37 North Melbourne Jamie MacMillan North Melbourne 66
3 38 Sydney Sam Reid Sydney 81
3 39 Hawthorn Sam Grimley Hawthorn 3
3 40 Geelong Allen Christensen Brisbane 71
3 41 North Melbourne Ayden Kennedy 0
3 42 Geelong Nathan Vardy Geelong 21
3 43 Carlton Marcus Davies 17
3 44 Richmond Matthew Dea Richmond 31
3 45 Adelaide Sam Shaw Adelaide 22
3 46 Hawthorn Benjamin Stratton Hawthorn 98
3 47 Brisbane Ryan Harwood Brisbane 56
3 48 Fremantle Jesse Crichton 18
3 49 Fremantle Dylan Roberton St Kilda 70
4

Will be interesting to see how last year's draft class stacks up to this one.

 

[57Tig]

Will be interesting to see how last year's draft class stacks up to this one.

« 2013 AFL National Draft 2014 Pre-Season Draft | 2014 Rookie Draft
AFL National Draft held at the end of Season 2014 2014 AFL National Draft Summary
Round Pick Drafted By Player Current Team Games Since Drafted
1 1 St Kilda Patrick McCartin St Kilda 2
1 2 Melbourne Christian Petracca Melbourne 0
1 3 Melbourne Angus Brayshaw Melbourne 6
1 4 GWS Jarrod Pickett GWS 0
1 5 Collingwood Jordan De Goey Collingwood 1
1 6 GWS Caleb Marchbank GWS 0
1 7 GWS Paul Ahern GWS 0
1 8 Gold Coast Peter Wright Gold Coast 0
1 9 Father/Son Collingwood Darcy Moore Collingwood 0
1 10 Geelong Nakia Cockatoo Geelong 5
1 11 West Coast Liam Duggan West Coast 5
1 12 Richmond Corey Ellis Richmond 1
1 13 Fremantle Lachlan Weller Fremantle 0
1 14 Adelaide Jake Lever Adelaide 1
1 15 Gold Coast Jarrod Garlett Gold Coast 5
1 16 North Melbourne Sam Durdin North Melbourne 0
1 17 Essendon Kyle Langford Essendon 1
1 18 Father/Son Sydney Isaac Heeney Sydney 5
1 19 Carlton Blaine Boekhorst Carlton 3
1 20 Essendon Jayden Laverde Essendon 0
1 21 St Kilda Hugh Goddard St Kilda 0
2 22 St Kilda Daniel McKenzie St Kilda 2
2 23 GWS Patrick McKenna GWS 0
2 24 Father/Son GWS Jack Steele GWS 0
2 25 North Melbourne Daniel Nielson North Melbourne 0
2 26 Western Bulldogs Toby McLean Western Bulldogs 0
2 27 Western Bulldogs Lukas Webb Western Bulldogs 4
2 28 Carlton Dillon Viojo-Rainbow Carlton 0
2 29 Gold Coast Touk Miller Gold Coast 6
2 30 Collingwood Brayden Maynard Collingwood 0
2 31 Hawthorn Daniel Howe Hawthorn 0
2 32 West Coast Tom Lamb West Coast 1
2 33 Richmond Connor Menadue Richmond 0
2 34 Fremantle Connor Blakely Fremantle 0
2 35 Adelaide Harrison Wigg Adelaide 0
2 36 North Melbourne Ed Vickers-Willis North Melbourne 0
2 37 Sydney James Rose Sydney 0
2 38 Father/Son Sydney Jack Hiscox Sydney 0
2 39 Western Bulldogs Declan Hamilton Western Bulldogs 0
2 40 Melbourne Alex Neal-Bullen Melbourne 0
with games played hey not far off it but base on 2009 draft and time taken I think we may have done okay

 

[TigerImposter]

Actually I dont think our picks were that wrong just that in the early drafts before Hardwick and in his first couple of years I think it was the lack of development coaches. look where most players have developed successfully and they would be with the better clubs who had very experienced players. Remember we had a big clean out as well. It has taken a bit longer than I thought but I can see progress

Our late picks have been poor after pick twenty, but I do agree player development is poor.

 

[TigerImposter]

A guy I've followed in this draft is Ben Cunnington
Now when he first started I remember seeing him at Coburg and he just looked ordinary compared to where Martin was at , but in the last two years he's just got bigger stronger and very very good. This is player development to me where I look at Martin he has nowhere near the tank as BC

 

[57Tig]

Our late picks have been poor after pick twenty, but I do agree player development is poor.

early to tell but 2009 david astbury after pick 20, 2010 Jake Batchelor. 2011 Todd Elton, 2012 Kamden Mc and tod elton. 2013
Nathan gordon well may e an early concede at the moment but he was pick 50. and last year Menadue, Drummond who at the moment appear to be able to make the grade down the track. So I don't think its as bade as we think its more of development.. looking at history of successful clubs. we have a few more years to go but we are heading in the right direction. Remember the senior players we wanted gone are gone. we now need the current senior players not just to develop a good culture and good ethics but have the later players to develop and improve on that. when that starts to evolve then we will be the success we want o be. Granted it s taking longer as a supporter than I want but i can see a good future in the direction we are going

 

[TigerImposter]

early to tell but 2009 david astbury after pick 20, 2010 Jake Batchelor. 2011 Todd Elton, 2012 Kamden Mc and tod elton. 2013
Nathan gordon well may e an early concede at the moment but he was pick 50. and last year Menadue, Drummond who at the moment appear to be able to make the grade down the track. So I don't think its as bade as we think its more of development.. looking at history of successful clubs. we have a few more years to go but we are heading in the right direction. Remember the senior players we wanted gone are gone. we now need the current senior players not just to develop a good culture and good ethics but have the later players to develop and improve on that. when that starts to evolve then we will be the success we want o be. Granted it s taking longer as a supporter than I want but i can see a good future in the direction we are going

I'm not sold on Dave yet and Batchelor , but 2013 was a beauty
Really need Elton to step up though and mcbean would be a bonus
I still think there are too many misses at this early stage and we are all relying on hope

 

[SteveRFC]

Lol.

24. Essendon – Ben Griffiths
Another team who needs a tall forward, and they’ll be pretty happy with Griffiths lasting until their pick. Neagle has been around for a while now, and hasn’t shown a lot at AFL level. While personally I like Hurley more as a defender. Griffiths is big and can take a strong mark, and if it wasn’t for injuries would be going earlier. Surely one of Griffiths and Gumbleton will be able to have an injury free season.