2012 Trade Period - Your clubs performance

[FGMPR]

But did you really have to re-quote the entire post, and then just format the one tiny bit you were interested in in red?

True enough. I'll go back and edit.

 

[QS]

Sydney: 8 out. 0 in.

Saweeet.

See post above yours. No Brown departure... ;-)

Scotland - bit harsh on the rating mate, would've said B+.. we were forced to replace Stevens and Swift so hands tied there as to what types of players we could get..

 

[Kayaz]

Coughed up McIntosh for unders but Geelong is picking up his back-ended contract so we don't have to pay him half a million for carrying the drinks.

Are you sure about that? didn't he sign a new contract with us?

 

[Tas]

Are you sure about that? didn't he sign a new contract with us?

He did, he agreed to a 3 year contract. Your TPP cost is the greater of the previous agreement or the current one. Even if Geelong isn't paying him $500k for 2013, the TPP cost will be $500k for 2013.

I am not sure if he has agreed to take less than $500k for 2013 for a 3 year deal, if he has I assume Geelong has front-loaded it to be at least the same size as what will be his TPP cost.

It was why we didn't get a market value pick for him, it is going to allow us to shave $500k off our 2014 contracts by bringing them into 2013 giving us a lot more cap space to sign a lot of our quality kids that come out of contract next year.

 

[Kayaz]

He did, he agreed to a 3 year contract. Your TPP cost is the greater of the previous agreement or the current one. Even if Geelong isn't paying him $500k for 2013, the TPP cost will be $500k for 2013.

I am not sure if he has agreed to take less than $500k for 2013 for a 3 year deal, if he has I assume Geelong has front-loaded it to be at least the same size as what will be his TPP cost.

It was why we didn't get a market value pick for him, it is going to allow us to shave $500k off our 2014 contracts by bringing them into 2013 giving us a lot more cap space to sign a lot of our quality kids that come out of contract next year.

Cheers

 

[nic nat toe]

Hawthorn: A-
Pick 21 was the only real currency we took into the period. We managed to pick up a kid who we would have struggled to draft with pick 21 in Anderson, also got Lake, and somehow still have pick 29 to use in the draft. That's nothing short of stunning. We lost Young to FA, which is a shame, hence the A-, not A. That said, the club clearly decided that it wasn't worth the cap space we'd have had to spend to keep Young. They decided that cap space was worth more than Young, and so kept that. At a guess we now have a few hundred thousand available to offer Buddy in order to get him signed before round 1 next year, and thus avoid drama like what some clubs suffered this year. If that happens, I'll revise my assessment of our trade period to an A.

Wowee, a confident mob you guys are. You guys got a pass mark at best. Spangher has become a spud since he left WC (not that he was much better here). Lake will break, and then 2 players decided to ditch the 'family' club.

As far as West Coast, I'll give us a good C+. Nothing great, nothing bad. Another solid performance by the most professional club in the league.

 

[theflea]

richmond b+.

in chaplin,knights,edwards and pick 43.

out graham and pick 53,browne,conners,webberley,macdonald,moore from primary list.

4 picks in the top 43 in nd also.

 

[Rod Stroker]

Gysberts - No. 12 pick a few seasons ago! Surely could have been traded for someone better than Pedersen, plus we moved DOWN 11 spots in the later rounds? wtf? Lousy trading!

This seems to be the one that most Dees fans are baffled by. Traded out a first round draft pick from a couple of years ago for a VFL player AND weakened their position in the draft. I can understand the frustration. But if Pedo delivers then all will be forgotten. You might even win the trade if we can't make a player out of the Jizzlobber.

As for the Roos, probably a C to represent average. I wasn't thrilled to see us trade out all our mature reserve players in Hmac, Edwards and Pedo for not a lot in return, as I'm not sure our kids are up to it yet if we get injuries to our best 22 players.
I would have liked to snare (based on our deficiencies):
1) another tall defender to support Thompson and Grima
2) a backup ruck for Goldy with Hmac gone
3) a defensive mid / tagger
but we didn't address any of those areas. We might do so in the draft, but it would appear that our coaches would just prefer to keep developing our kids from within.

 

[Badesumofu]

Wowee, a confident mob you guys are. You guys got a pass mark at best. Spangher has become a spud since he left WC (not that he was much better here). Lake will break, and then 2 players decided to ditch the 'family' club.

As far as West Coast, I'll give us a good C+. Nothing great, nothing bad. Another solid performance by the most professional club in the league.

Anderson alone would have been worth pick 22 by most people's assessment. We have him, Lake, and 29 in exchange for 22, and some trivial pick downgrades. Spanger cost us nothing, and was recruited as depth. Murphy would have been delisted anyway and left with the club's blessing. Losing Young was a shame, I acknowledge that, but I can live with it. It's not as if he was a top 16 player.

 

[Baz_hawk]

Anderson alone would have been worth pick 22 by most people's assessment. We have him, Lake, and 29 in exchange for 22, and some trivial pick downgrades. Spanger cost us nothing, and was recruited as depth. Murphy would have been delisted anyway and left with the club's blessing. Losing Young was a shame, I acknowledge that, but I can live with it. It's not as if he was a top 16 player.

No. Would have been retained but we were happy to let him go for greater opportunities.

I think we did ok in terms of what we required and that is Lake. The club obviously feel they need a big bodied defender while Schoenmakers develops and this really does fix that area of our side. Spangher is depth that we went after to cover the loss of Gilham and I think we did reasonably well to secure Jed Anderson. I'd give us a B overall, the loss of a number of players hurts our depth but we attempted to cover this. We managed to grab a young kid with big wraps for a bargain and perhaps if compensation pick was a second rounder I'd be inclined to add a plus to our B. My only concern is that mature players we brought in can keep their bodies right. That'll really be the determining factor, think Dew 08 who suffered injuries during the season and people started to write off but came good when we needed him. On paper though, I think a B is an appropriate mark

 

[Bollox]

No idea but like the end result. Out..LOTS In..NONE
A few years ago the dirty word "rebuilding" may have been out in force.
After success this year though and the events of the last few weeks it just looks like clearing of the decks as per a gameplan. With Bradshaw and Seaby $ off the books + a cpl of vets + already available cap space + this years planned turnover trades it looks like either Tippett or another name player was the plan this yr. Looking for maybe a 7out-1in result with plenty of lower order draft picks on top.
Didnt exactly come off as planned i guess , but who knows what will happen come early December. Either way, no great issue or loss other than wasted time at the table that would be pissing many off.

In terms of other clubs...DONS !!!!
Of all the blokes they could have targeted i reckon they picked the exact right one for them. What they have lacked is CLASS. If i could have picked one bloke to seriously go after for my mob it would have been Goddard too...must take advantage of a below par season and contract status, FA coming in etc then dangle a carrot, which they did.
Type of big recruit they should have been chasing for years and years, but they've been in nowhereland come trade time and this might be just the spark their list needs to go from being 8 week giant killers to genuine threat at the business end...anyone who plays footy knows the effect a guy like can have just at training. A true #1 draft pick now with massive big game experience, a desire for a flag he may feel is owed him, beast of a boot off both feet, can play anywhere and makes good decisions, individual matchwinner and game changer in his prime. Yeah i;m jealous. Fans will need patience, but the first time he kicks the ball at training and the other guys go , they'll know what is now expected. Yeah i'm jealous as hell and would have handed over a lot more than dons have for him.
So yeah, Dons the winner for mine. Got no idea where Sydney stand other than in a pretty loose and flexible position right now, which cant be a bad thing

 

[longdaveyjetta]

No idea but like the end result. Out..LOTS In..NONE
A few years ago the dirty word "rebuilding" may have been out in force.
After success this year though and the events of the last few weeks it just looks like clearing of the decks as per a gameplan. With Bradshaw and Seaby $ off the books + a cpl of vets + already available cap space + this years planned turnover trades it looks like either Tippett or another name player was the plan this yr. Looking for maybe a 7out-1in result with plenty of lower order draft picks on top.
Didnt exactly come off as planned i guess , but who knows what will happen come early December. Either way, no great issue or loss other than wasted time at the table that would be pissing many off.

In terms of other clubs...DONS !!!!
Of all the blokes they could have targeted i reckon they picked the exact right one for them. What they have lacked is CLASS. If i could have picked one bloke to seriously go after for my mob it would have been Goddard too...must take advantage of a below par season and contract status, FA coming in etc then dangle a carrot, which they did.
Type of big recruit they should have been chasing for years and years, but they've been in nowhereland come trade time and this might be just the spark their list needs to go from being 8 week giant killers to genuine threat at the business end...anyone who plays footy knows the effect a guy like can have just at training. A true #1 draft pick now with massive big game experience, a desire for a flag he may feel is owed him, beast of a boot off both feet, can play anywhere and makes good decisions, individual matchwinner and game changer in his prime. Yeah i;m jealous. Fans will need patience, but the first time he kicks the ball at training and the other guys go , they'll know what is now expected. Yeah i'm jealous as hell and would have handed over a lot more than dons have for him.
So yeah, Dons the winner for mine. Got no idea where Sydney stand other than in a pretty loose and flexible position right now, which cant be a bad thing

Cheers, I feel the same way, can't wait to see him play for us, our biggest recruiting steal since Terry and Neale Daniher...Well done EFC you nailed free agency...

 

[manboob]

We were in the running to get Caddy but for some reason GC valued a compensation pick which is worse than our pick and is likely to get worse by making Geelong stronger on-field for the next few years.

Cause it can sit in the bank for 2 more years. When a club is trying to reduce the number of players they have the last thing they really need is another pick that year.

 

[bing181]

Bloody deluded Melbourne fans thinking the Dees did great.

Bad:
Moloney - lost the B&F winner from 2012 for effectively nothing.
Rivers - lost a KPD for effectively nothing.
Morton - glad to see the back of him, however he is a former No. 4 pick and surely that has more currency than just pick 88?
Gysberts - No. 12 pick a few seasons ago! Surely could have been traded for someone better than Pedersen, plus we moved DOWN 11 spots in the later rounds? wtf? Lousy trading!

Moloney, Rivers: Free Agency. That's what SUPPOSED to happen, they walk - yes, for nothing if necessary. Though you should correct your post - Moloney was B&F in 2011. In 2012 he came 21st, and finished the year playing at Casey. We got (and he got) what he was worth.

Gysberts: 2012. One game. 9 possessions. He was shopped around, no-one was interested. Not surprising.

Morton: why not run a poll here, and see if anyone from any club would be prepared to pay more than pick 88 to have him.

And you talk about "bloody deluded Melbourne fans".

 

[Bollox]

Cheers, I feel the same way, can't wait to see him play for us, our biggest recruiting steal since Terry and Neale Daniher...Well done EFC you nailed free agency...

You blokes better not expect one guy to transform things overnight...takes awhile for any guy to settle in and he cant do it by himslef anyway. I just think there's a lift in skill level the entire list needs and hard to achieve that without seeing it in your actual teammates. bring in what is needed. They've shown they can do it for periods, especially the hot starts to the season, but Watson also needs help with onfield leadership and Goddard is no paycheck player..he obviously REALLY likes to win. Even better for you that he missed a flag or two by an inch.

People view top liners with fickle eyes...they dont see past very recent form and also rate them according to how their teams fare. That bloke is a true top 10 player when in form and u got him for a bloody song. Just dont expect miracles and maybe hope for a better overall skill level and last qtr performances coming from this type of recruit.
Bugga me..if i had a choice of Tippett or Goddard for the big money i know who i would have gone for...but he was never coming up here.

 

[Bollox]

Morton: why not run a poll here, and see if anyone from any club would be prepared to pay more than pick 88 to have him.

I'd offer a third rounder just to see Brendon Lade go after him again.
All time great funny moment in footy...mind you, if any of us had pissed him off in a pub and saw the look on Lade's face, just quietly i think we might all be running just as hard the other way .
Toss up between that and Gibbs squibbing it against Milne for soiled moment of the decade

I'd say worth just a bit more than 88. Just toss him some raw meat and cheap hookers for awhile and see if he can become a handy, more outside Clint Young type ball carrier on a big ground like Subi. Hasnt cost anything to have a look see.

Melb members must be just glad they dont have to shut their eyes and shake their heads anymore.

 

[Zagg]

Bombers & Pies appear to be the big winners, Adelaide the big losers.

From a Saints point of view it's pretty much wait & see. Could end up being a great trade period, could be a disaster. I'm confident, but really don't know how Lee, Hickey & Dennis-Lane will go long-term. Looking forward to finding out though.

 

[GPW1]

Carlton - D
Thought the trade period started next week.

 

[thetank]

Moloney, Rivers: Free Agency. That's what SUPPOSED to happen, they walk - yes, for nothing if necessary. Though you should correct your post - Moloney was B&F in 2011. In 2012 he came 21st, and finished the year playing at Casey. We got (and he got) what he was worth.

Gysberts: 2012. One game. 9 possessions. He was shopped around, no-one was interested. Not surprising.

Morton: why not run a poll here, and see if anyone from any club would be prepared to pay more than pick 88 to have him.

And you talk about "bloody deluded Melbourne fans".

Come on now.

Do you actually think Melbourne did well during the trade period? COLLINGWOOD is a team that did well during the trade period. Melbourne were average, especially given the slew of draft picks we had.

Poor teams allow their players to disappear via free agency with inadequate compensation in return (yes I know that is the nature of free agency). Good teams will either retain these players, or trade them while they still have currency (eg. Arsenal selling Robin Van Persie). How many good teams let their previous year's B&F winner walk away for a packet of home-brand peanuts? It sure as hell wouldn't happen at Sydney, Collingwood, Hawthorn, West Coast...

Gysberts: quoting only 2012 results is far too short term for a player who 1) is about 21 years old - still young, 2) has shown ability, 3) was a high draft pick very recently. Gysberts may have been shopped around, but there is still enough upside potential in him not to just sell him off for PEDERSEN and DOWNGRADING our draft position.

Morton: Again, while I am happy seeing the back of him, are we not able to get anything of value from our chaff? We managed to flick off McLean for pick 12, Pies were able to flick off unwanted Dawes to us for pick 20 and move up 13 spots in the third round, hell even the Roos got a former No. 12 draft pick for Pedersen. That is good trading. Flicking off Morton when surely we could have trumped up the "ex Pick 4" attribute...I disagree that we "won" the trade. At best, Morton keeps spudding it up in WC and we break even. At worst, Morton breaks out and all the Eagles have paid is pick 88. Make the Eagles at least pay something for dipping their toes into the water.

"Deluded Melbourne fans" - yes. Hell yes.

Do a straw poll among neutral football supporters (ie. unbiased) and tell me how many think we got good value from our off-season action. With the exception of Viney, most would say the Dees did average to poor in terms of extracting value from our trades.

 

[Hodge is God]

Adelaide: F
Brisbane: B+
Carlton: D
Collingwood: A+
Essendon: C
Fremantle: B
Geelong: A
Gold Coast: B
GWS: B
Hawthorn: A
Melbourne: C+
North Melbourne: C+
Port Adelaide: A+
Richmond: B
St Kilda: B
Sydney: D
West Coast: B
Western Bulldogs: C

 

[Lockyer24]

Carlton are perfect already and do not need change.

 

[reincarnated]

Clubs like Hawthorn, Geelong, Collinwood & to a lesser extent West Coast have really improved their list this trade period. I think they deserve an A.

Sydney hasn't improved but if they land Tippet in the draft it will be huge.

Adelaide has gone backwards. They might be losing out even more with draft penalties.

St Kilda really targeted what they wanted and went after it. Got to admire them for it. In the surface they looked like they overpaid for what they got. They should have had a backup plan for the tall defender if they didn't get Brown, which was their biggest need. So maybe a C+.

Carlton a big fail. Staggering they could just sit there and do nothing.

North, Brisbane and Bulldogs nothing special, so C.

Melbourne big fat F. Really overpaid for most. Then brought in hacks like crazy Vossy style.

Freo a Fail too. Port did a couple of nice deals but ultimately lost a few. Maybe a C.

GWS and GC get an A. Held clubs to randsome. It will come back to bite them oneday for being so arrogant.

Bombers landed a big rock.!Their list really has some holes needed filling. They sat back and scratched their balls for most of it. I think it is a B.

 

[BluesBagger]

I'd give Carlton an NA - Didn't participate apart from aiding Russel find a new home

Personally I don't mind Carlton remaining quiet this year.

New coaches often give the list a year before making huge changes. Also getting players to come over seemed to cost relatively high in terms of picks/contracts.

Overall I think it's a bit shallow assessing the trade period without taking into account the drafts.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Wowee, a confident mob you guys are. You guys got a pass mark at best. Spangher has become a spud since he left WC (not that he was much better here). Lake will break, and then 2 players decided to ditch the 'family' club.

2 players were traded from the Family Club. There's a difference. If you truly think that Hawthorn wanted to keep them, you're deluded. I'm sure we'd have rathered Young had stayed, but he knew that he was going to be pressured for his spot from 2013, and we weren't going to pay overs just to keep him.

Hawthorn landed a young mid, a Key defender and managed to only dilute it's 1st pick by 8 spots. That's a great trade period.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Adelaide: F
Brisbane: B+
Carlton: D
Collingwood: A+
Essendon: C
Fremantle: B
Geelong: A
Gold Coast: B
GWS: B
Hawthorn: A
Melbourne: C+
North Melbourne: C+
Port Adelaide: A+
Richmond: B
St Kilda: B
Sydney: D
West Coast: B
Western Bulldogs: C

Go on, tell me how 13 other clubs had better trade & FA periods than Essendon.