Mega Thread 2013 TRADE PERIOD discussion thread - Aidan Riley (Crows) added as a DFA

[TheFVK]

Full credit to Ken Hinkley for what he achieved this year, but fact is he had A LOT more midfield talent and depth to work with than what Roos currently has. We have one A/B grade midfielder in Nathan Jones and a stack of young kids or C, D and E graders running through the midfield.

Roos could develop the best game-plan the sport has ever seen and inspire his troops like no man ever has before but until we get midfield quality we won't be winning any games of footy.

You'd be surprised- at this point last year popular opinion was anything but. Our midfield was a bunch of undeveloped, perpetually injured (and frankly underprepared) kids taken at highish draft positions, led by a guy (Boak) copping the brunt of opposition attention and basically flying solo. We were widely tipped for the spoon and were rated as having no elite talent with the second worst list in the comp. Not only that but we had virtually no senior players (26years+) left, and those left had massive question marks on their place in the 22. Sound familiar?

You'd be surprised how quickly all that can change when you get the club right from the top down.

While admittedly I'm not knowledgeable on most of your off-field staff it's no secret that the senior coach has a massive influence on player performance, team and club culture, and you've got a man widely renowned as one of, if not the best in charge. You should take comfort that he'll be making decisions for the good of your club based on nous, wisdom and industry best practice gained from years of experience, and not from random posters on the internet like you or I

Ha classic - the filth going to opposition boards to keep trolling.

Maybe tell everyone your Polec thread had to be shut down because none of you could stop talking about the crows. Just such a pathetic inferiority complex.

What type of post is that? Embarrassing.

I hope Roos & co take note. I'd be really annoyed if did the trade. I'm still trying to recover from last yrs trade Cam Pedersen etc. I hope we keep pick 2. I'm tried of short term fixes. I've suffered enough. Good luck nxt yr.

Amen brother! Likewise. I've no doubt Paul Roos will do it the right way.

 

[Tulip]

426 2.0.

 

[dylan123]

Legitimate, but I'd rather see players like Tapscott, Grimes, Bail, Strauss, Nicholson, etc improve under Roos to provide that role. Frawley, Garland and McDonald provide us with a lot of run as tall forwards anyway. It's not a role we're lacking for, I think we do quite well for rebound 50s.

Out of interest, long term, do you guys see Grimes as a midfielder or an attacking half back flanker? Thought he played that hbf role very well when he was in that position, as I mentioned before, I saw very little of you guys this year so I'm not sure how he looked as a midfielder (at least I believe he was turned into more of a midfielder).

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Out of interest, long term, do you guys see Grimes as a midfielder or an attacking half back flanker? Thought he played that hbf role very well when he was in that position, as I mentioned before, I saw very little of you guys this year so I'm not sure how he looked as a midfielder (at least I believe he was turned into more of a midfielder).

Definitely the attacking half back flanker. It's his best role, and he commandeers us in defence very well. Takes a lot of very brave marks there (quite a few in our Round 23 game), generates the ball and provides us with some movement. He has a bad habit of getting injured every time he plays in the midfield, which isn't a coincidence, so I think the coaching staff have finally realised it's not the best position for him.

 

[dylan123]

Definitely the attacking half back flanker. It's his best role, and he commandeers us in defence very well. Takes a lot of very brave marks there (quite a few in our Round 23 game), generates the ball and provides us with some movement. He has a bad habit of getting injured every time he plays in the midfield, which isn't a coincidence, so I think the coaching staff have finally realised it's not the best position for him.

Been a while since he's had an issue with his back though which has been the main concern in the past, hopefully it can stay that way.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Been a while since he's had an issue with his back though which has been the main concern in the past, hopefully it can stay that way.

Hopefully! Collarbone accident this year was a freak accident and could have happened anywhere on the ground, it was just evident of the luck Grimesy has. You just have a feeling that if these players can turn their luck around, the Dees can too.

 

[Topkent]

Out of interest, long term, do you guys see Grimes as a midfielder or an attacking half back flanker? Thought he played that hbf role very well when he was in that position, as I mentioned before, I saw very little of you guys this year so I'm not sure how he looked as a midfielder (at least I believe he was turned into more of a midfielder).

He is a half back flanker for sure , looks lost on the midfield and I wouldn't consider him a smart midfielder, also doesn't kick goals

However as a hbf he is a leader , he reads it well takes great marks an generates rebounds
Can't stand him in the middle he isn't great inside or outside and gets caught too often

 

[Demon 16]

Whilst we've got them here, guys what (if anything) would you need from Melbourne in order to cough up Sloane or say, Wingard?

We have some good trading chips and are damn well desperate for a quality mid or 2.. so without bending us over completely, what would it take?

 

[dylan123]

Whilst we've got them here, guys what (if anything) would you need from Melbourne in order to cough up Sloane or say, Wingard?

We have some good trading chips and are damn well desperate for a quality mid or 2.. so without bending us over completely, what would it take?

Sloane just isn't on the able which I'd say the same would apply for Wingard.

If you were wanting to target anyone from Adelaide which you might be able to get a deal for, Douglas would be the one (obviously guys like Vince, Hendo etc but Douglas is the one I rate the highest). He's now proven twice to have stood up when Adelaide have been at their poorest (2011 and now 2013) which means he isn't exactly a front runner who only preforms when everything is going our way.

Wouldn't be surprised if you guys didn't rate him (obviously not suggesting he's worth pick 2 either) but he received a lot of attention from the opposition this year and was in the top 3 midfielders for the year for goal assists if my memory serves me correctly.

All in all, I can't see you guys getting what you want for #2 (trade wise). What you want is a star player yet no team is willing to take the risk of getting rid of a star player on the chance that they get a star player in return with a draft pick. Only time something like that would work is if a star player asked to be traded (ala Judd).

 

[WinmarToLockett]

Reading this thread makes me want to punch mark neeld in the ****in' head. Last years trade and draft period was a shambles. Pederson, gillies, rodan, a packet of chips for gys erts... Wtf. Watching neeld on talking footy the day he got sacked he said "we drafted toumpas looking to the future" yeah nice work neeld no point winning games now lets just keep picking speculative kids while destroying our brand with weekly ten goal thrashings. Wines looked amazing in the finals, would hope we can pick a good midfielder with pick two who is ready to play. I'd be happy with cross, chapman and nds. Don't care if they only play two years with us we need onfield leadership and players who can teach toumpas, trengove and grimes how to play. Imagine if jones got injured, god forbid. We'd be killed every week. Anyway I think we could do better than vince with pick 20.

**** you neeld.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

If we don't get other experience before the end of trade week we'll look at him (according to Mahoney).

I hope that's not true. He is exactly what we need for next year being a hardened mature midfielder who can still run out games. Combined with his oft quoted top attitude towards training and prep, he could become a player coach thereafter.

And he is 100% free in terms of trading. And I'm sure wouldn't have high salary expectations.

I hope we get him regardless of who else we bring in.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

Said that the club was waiting on the trade period to work through on the AFL site this morning

Oh, that sounds more like it.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Whilst we've got them here, guys what (if anything) would you need from Melbourne in order to cough up Sloane or say, Wingard?

We have some good trading chips and are damn well desperate for a quality mid or 2.. so without bending us over completely, what would it take?

You'd honestly have to offer something we couldn't refuse because they are both so far off the trade table it's not funny. Both clubs wouldn't entertain it unless you were bent over the table.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

I'd like to think our new coach would be able to stop those 100 point thrashings with our current list. If we are going to be trading away our future I'd like to see major improvement.

Haha - you're bloody deluded if you think a new coach has that sort of instant effect. This groups confidence is shattered and the only way to stop the 100 point losses is to rebuild the confidence by getting some wins, building belief. And a big part of that will be dispersing the group psyche and injecting some "decent" talent amongst it.

If you think Roos is coming in with some super game plan and a smile full of magic and wonder to automatically change the way this group behaves on a footy field, you're a bit silly.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

You'd be surprised mate. I tried to twist their words to make it look like they were joking, but all dead serious.

Can't stand these 'AFL Trade News' style pages. Trash journalism.

It's not even trash journalism - it's just dudes making stuff up and saying it in the internet.

You or I or anyone else could start one. They're just punters.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Mark neeld had a massive instant effect.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Sounds like you should keep him!

Most of us want to.

 

[Jars458]

Vince is a 28 yo bogan dunce. The would be deal would pick 20 alone, and at that it is overs.

Didn't finish top 10 in the BnF of a club in the bottom third of the competition.

Agree pick 20 is fair given he is contracted.

 

[Demon 16]

Agree pick 20 is fair given he is contracted.

I would imagine we would need to offer any target a shizen load of cash before we are able to deal.

 

[Blackas87]

Haha - you're bloody deluded if you think a new coach has that sort of instant effect. This groups confidence is shattered and the only way to stop the 100 point losses is to rebuild the confidence by getting some wins, building belief. And a big part of that will be dispersing the group psyche and injecting some "decent" talent amongst it.

If you think Roos is coming in with some super game plan and a smile full of magic and wonder to automatically change the way this group behaves on a footy field, you're a bit silly.

Considering Paul Roos said his biggest loss at sydney was 73 points (against us) and he doesn't want to lose by more than that at melbourne, maybe he's deluded and a bit silly too?

 

[Stripple]

Hi all,

Just want to clarify a couple of things (after reading through to see what your reactions would be to Vince).

We would all love pick 2 and come up with trades that we wish would get over the line, but in saying that I think something very unexpected would need to happen for us to get anywhere near close. Don't be disheartened by these crazy dream offers, it's week one of a three week trade period which has little to no action for the majority of it. We all need to kill the time somehow.

In saying all that I think for the crows to let Bernie go it would have to be for 20, maybe even a little more. I think in reality Bernie at that age is not worth 20 and change on the market, however he is worth more than that to the crows. He is contracted and is loved by his team mates, and adds a lot of class to our midfield (close to the best kick we have).

I think the MFC definitely need a senior support cast to help out the younger guys, there are probably cheaper options available (Chappy/Cross) but each of these probably have less shelf life than Bernie. Think is will come down to either the crows agreeing to trade because we have been offered overs, or us taking something a little less because Bernie has told us he is gone next year in FA anyway.

Just a quick question (more out of interest than actually thinking he could be involved in a trade) what do you guys think is worth more Tompas or Pick 2?

 

[Klyntonius]

The longer this drags on, the more I think we hold onto pick 2. No club is going to put 4 years work into a player and develop him into an elite talent and then just trade him for pick 2 in this years draft. If Hogan and Martin were going to be available then it would be a different story but they aren't. So for me, I think we should use pick 2 on Aish/Kelly.

Assuming we have two picks in the early twenties for our second round pick and compo for Sylvia then I would be happy to trade one of them for Vince (if Adelaide are open to it) and use the other on the best kid available.

With our third and fourth round picks, see if we can deal for two of Greenwood/Ellis/Michie.

Finally pick up Cross as a free agent or trade a very late pick to make sure we land him.

This way we add some immediate steel to the midfield with some mature bodies and experience as well as topping up further with elite young talent.

 

[AFC979810]

I'm perpetually baffled by the people who go around trying to tell us how brilliant a player when he's effectively on the chopping block and being shopped around by his club. Vince now, Douglas not so long ago, probably Crouch tomorrow, etc.

Nowhere have I said how brilliant Vince is. I just said that i rate him much higher than Chris Dawes.

Doubt he is 'on the chopping block'. He is nowhere near getting delisted. The fact is that he is contracted for 2014 and then will become an unrestricted free agent. We are shopping him around, in my opinion, to see if we can get something worthwhile for him rather than risk losing him for nothing next year.

Also - with regards to Douglas - maybe you should have listened. Had a very good year this year.

 

[Demon 16]

The longer this drags on, the more I think we hold onto pick 2.

The further we go, the more it feels like this - but a deal for pick 2 was always likely to get done towards the very end of trade period. I still think a surprise could pop up..

 

[Andy_Mac]

Let's look at recruiting Vince rationally

Pro - experienced, good user of the ball, midfielder
Con - old, degenerative knee, has off field issues, and motives to join the Dees would be questionable.

I don't see the value in reality to trading P20...

Also whilst Vince is contracted Adelaide fans seem to forget that everyone knows they are desperate to get back into the draft earlier than the third round.