List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Chris Grant]

From what I've heard, I don't think Tom Lamb will pass the good person test.

 

[Kony Abbott]

boundforglorynews.com/paige-cardonas-phantom-draft-1-0/

Paige Cardonas has us taking Pickett at #5 - I'd be stoked with that if McCartin is off the table.

Also with the way she has things falling between 10-20, if we did pull of the first round pick for GC's two first rounders trade, we could get both Keitel and Duggan... food for thought.

 

[Dav1d]

boundforglorynews.com/paige-cardonas-phantom-draft-1-0/

Paige Cardonas has us taking Pickett at #5 - I'd be stoked with that if McCartin is off the table.

Also with the way she has things falling between 10-20, if we did pull of the first round pick for GC's two first rounders trade, we could get both Keitel and Duggan... food for thought.

I think another club could rate Duggan even higher, but Duggan and Weller seem quite alike
Having trained with us, I think we should have a good idea about what he is about

 

[Doggies_13]

From what I've heard, I don't think Tom Lamb will pass the good person test.

Any chance you elaborate

 

[Dav1d]

Any chance you elaborate

know he socked a player in one game and think he probably done something this most recent game on the weekend
waiting for match reports but seems to have a little bit of an attitude already

 

[Doggies_13]

know he socked a player in one game and think he probably done something this most recent game on the weekend
waiting for match reports but seems to have a little bit of an attitude already

Okay, I personally don't mind a bit of agro on the field needs to be controlled but Minson is a perfect example of having to learn the boundaries with aggression, as long as there isn't off field issues i wouldn't be concerned. Just got to look at Stevie J wouldn't mind him in our team can win a match off his own boot but does have the odd brain fade

 

[Dav1d]

Okay, I personally don't mind a bit of agro on the field needs to be controlled but Minson is a perfect example of having to learn the boundaries with aggression, as long as there isn't off field issues i wouldn't be concerned. Just got to look at Stevie J wouldn't mind him in our team can win a match off his own boot but does have the odd brain fade

I don't think it is me that needs convincing our clubs recruiters just seem to not like these types, regardless of potential

to be honest, I don't think he is the type of player we need

 

[Chris Grant]

Any chance you elaborate

Apparently he was expelled from school. On the field he gets the sooks when things aren't going his way as well.

On top of that there's a big question mark on what his role will be at the next level. He's not really a midfielder or key forward ala Jack Watts. He will more then likely end up as a high half forward type, 3rd/4th tall. That's not something I'd be prepared to pay a high pick for given we have Grant and Crameri who can play those roles.

 

[Wizard17]

If you want another tall midfielder with good skills in the second round then the following are the ones that I'd suggest. Some will need to slide a little.

Jayden Laverde (189cm, 82kg. Western Jets DOB: 12/4/96)

Kyle Langford (190cm, 73kg. Northern Knights. DOB: 1/12/96)

Edward Vickers-Willis (190cm, 82kg. Sandringham Dragons. DOB: 28/3/96)

Dillon Viojo-Rainbow (185cm, 80kg. Western Jets. DOB: 8/2/96)

Jackson Nelson (187cm, 80kg. Geelon Falcons. DOB: 15/3/96)

 

[Dav1d]

Vickers-Willis is an interesting one, understand he has solid endurance and runs hard both ways
not sure about how dangerous he is with the ball, but heard he is quite capable skill wise

Laverde looks like a giant out on the ground and has a real presence about him, I wonder if he has anymore growth left in him
bit of a high risk player which I think we'd be attracted to

Hrovat24 Why Lamb? I think if Pickett wasn't bothered about coming to Victoria then he should be highly considered
Seem real professionals about their football, Clem Smith and Pickett

 

[Hrovat24]

Vickers-Willis is an interesting one, understand he has solid endurance and runs hard both ways
not sure about how dangerous he is with the ball, but heard he is quite capable skill wise

Laverde looks like a giant out on the ground and has a real presence about him, I wonder if he has anymore growth left in him
bit of a high risk player which I think we'd be attracted to

Hrovat24 Why Lamb? I think if Pickett wasn't bothered about coming to Victoria then he should be highly considered
Seem real professionals about their football, Clem Smith and Pickett

has the height , X factor and ability , kinda scared off a little after hearing he may be a big tool

 

[Dav1d]

has the height , X factor and ability , kinda scared off a little after hearing he may be a big tool

his skills haven't been impressive to me at all, he tends to rush his disposal put his team mates under pressure
Pickett has probably as much x-factor as anyone in the draft, if not the MOST wonder how he'd go if he ever did become
a marketable player...

 

[Hrovat24]

his skills haven't been impressive to me at all, he tends to rush his disposal put his team mates under pressure
Pickett has probably as much x-factor as anyone in the draft, if not the MOST wonder how he'd go if he ever did become
a marketable player...

that is true , I reckon we try for Pickett , kietel , Laverde , Cordy , foster

 

[Doggies_13]

Apparently he was expelled from school. On the field he gets the sooks when things aren't going his way as well.

On top of that there's a big question mark on what his role will be at the next level. He's not really a midfielder or key forward ala Jack Watts. He will more then likely end up as a high half forward type, 3rd/4th tall. That's not something I'd be prepared to pay a high pick for given we have Grant and Crameri who can play those roles.

Okay hadn't heard that, had heard that he can get down when things don't go his way and read he was working on fixing that, From personal experience this being a few years back though not recently he was a great kid bit quiet but very respectful and great work rate. I see him as more than a 3rd or 4th tall seriously think he could become a CHF is 192cm wouldn't need to grow much for that role but has a lot of x-factor and is a player who can turn a game on it's head we need some more players like that

 

[styley]

Any chance you elaborate

Did his AIS internship at St. Kilda and said the only good players at the club there were Riewoldt and Montagna and everyone else were bad. Although true (ha), you can't be saying that when you're a 17 year old trying to find your way onto an AFL list.

On another note, I really like Petracca and think he's as close to a lock to become an elite mid/half forward. What does everyone think about him?

I'd love to trade for Tomlinson, Jaksch or Patton (latter more unlikely).

 

[Dav1d]

Did his AIS internship at St. Kilda and said the only good players at the club there were Riewoldt and Montagna and everyone else were bad. Although true (ha), you can't be saying that when you're a 17 year old trying to find your way onto an AFL list.

On another note, I really like Petracca and think he's as close to a lock to become an elite mid/half forward. What does everyone think about him?

I'd love to trade for Tomlinson, Jaksch or Patton (latter more unlikely).

think he could become more like O'Keefe (Petracca) then Tim Membrey
probably compares quite well to Dustin Martin/O'Keefe
I'm a fan, especially if he had the tank to run all day; not sure how much he compliments our team, but think he'd still be a good player

 

[Dav1d]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-16/u18-champs-div-1-round-4-stats

gee, Vickers-Willis with 100% disposal efficiency

 

[Wizard17]

Looks like the majority of the players we like had pretty good games.

 

[scooter600x]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-16/u18-champs-div-1-round-4-stats

gee, Vickers-Willis with 100% disposal efficiency

DE is the most useless stat in world sport.

Sam Power almost always had 100% DE

 

[Kony Abbott]

I must have missed something, why is McCartin not playing?

 

[Dav1d]

I must have missed something, why is McCartin not playing?

Injured

DE is the most useless stat in world sport.

Sam Power almost always had 100% DE

and true, but also Wickers-Villis is been played as a Key Defender so a lot of his touches might have just been backwards kicks and kicks to contests I believe are considered effective

 

[Wizard17]

http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-draft-profile-ed-vickers-willis/

Ed Vickers-Willis (Sandringham Dragons)
Height: 190 cm
Weight: 84 kg
Position: Midfielder / Utility
Strengths: Versatility, consistency, clean disposal
Areas for Improvement: Offensive game, goal kicking
Player Comparison: Shaun Burgoyne

Ed Vickers-Willis is the prototypical tall midfielder. He has a strong body, can play both inside and out as well as being a clean user of the footy. He is similar to Shaun Burgoyne in his later years, as he thrives off half back and through the midfield. He locks down his player, runs both ways, gets enough of the ball to have an impact and is a reliable kick.

By the end of the year, he might only be the fourth or fifth highest rated midfielder at the Dragons, but that speaks volumes about their depth. Angus Brayshaw is the “second best player, besides Josh Kelly” whom Vickers-Willis has ever played with. Josh Clayton might be off to Brisbane at the end of the year under the Father-Son rule. Tom Wilkinson runs a 16.8 beep test and Brayden Maynard is just an out and out gun.

Vickers-Willis is a professional in every sense of the word. His work rate is outstanding, he is well spoken and he validates the old cliché “the best trainers are the best players on game day”.

Vickers-Willis has averaged 18.5 disposals over his four TAC Cup games this year, but it’s his consistency and efficiency that really propels him into first or second round draft discussion. He’s had three games in the bests and three games with 20 touches. He’s running at just over 70 per cent disposal efficiency and what’s more impressive is his work by hand. 78 per cent of his handballs have hit the target, and although he prefers to use it by hand, he is just an all round clean ball user.

Vickers-Willis is also a great defender. His size allows him to match up on the awkward players and makes them accountable. He tackles well, usually racking up five per game and his kicking will never be a liability. Having said that, he is better suited to a wing role, as his running capacity allows him to create opportunities for the forwards and his height makes him a great link up target.

Versatility is what Vickers-Willis admitted was his biggest strength. At 190 centimetres, the utility is a difficult match up. He’ll often play on the wing, providing a marking target as a link player. However, he believes his best footy this season has come out of the backline. We all know classy, tall players who can impact the game in every position are in vogue. Brendon Goddard is the best example, but recently, Marcus Bontempelli exemplified what recruiters want. The young Bulldog was taken at pick four last year, although most in the know had pegged him between the 8-15 mark in terms of talent. Vickers–Willis will have plenty of recruiters interested.



Photo courtesy of AFL Photos: Ed Vickers-Willis avoids a tackle against the Western Jets

One of the biggest issues is trying to find what the utility really excels in. He’s very clean with ball in hand, he keeps his opponent in check and he can play anywhere. He doesn’t have electrifying pace, an exceptional overhead mark and doesn’t hit the scoreboard very often. For that lack of x-factor, he will probably slip out of the first round. But any club who needs extra depth in the midfield or a two way player off half back may find Vickers-Willis an excellent option in the second round.

Just while we are taking about Vickers-Willis

 

[Wizard17]

http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-draft-profile-kyle-langford/

Kyle Langford (Northern Knights)

Height: 190 cm
Weight: 73 kg
Position: Key forward / Utility
Strengths: Marking, goal kicking, tackling, finding the ball
Areas needing improvement: skinny frame
Player Comparison: Matthew Richardson

It’s strange to say that a guy who isn’t even being talked about as a first round option having only one weakness. After watching Langford several times, it’s the only flaw he has. He just scrapes into key forward height being 190 cm, but his 73 kg frame is what will put recruiters off.

However, it is so important to look past that, as he is a game changer. Whilst plenty have talked about the key talls going early, Langford may present even more value as a second round pick. He marks everything in sight. It doesn’t matter whether his opponent is ten centimeters taller and 15 kilograms heavier, Langford positions his body to protect the drop zone. His hands are like they have been slathered in honey. His marking in the air and on the lead is exceptional. He doesn’t need silver service delivery to make an impact, as his marking makes the midfielders look good.

Earlier in the year against the Eastern Ranges, it was all about the Langford and Reece McKenzie tandem. Mckenzie was dominant, marking everything in sight, but he ended up with one goal and four behinds. Whilst all the focus was on McKenzie, Langford had basically no delivery going to him. He ended up with five goals and two behinds from just three marks and eight possessions. He made an impact when the football gods were trying to tell him to have a quiet game.

Langford has played as a key back to great success, as his lanky arms are excellent in spoiling or outmarking his opponent. His closing speed is fantastic. I believe his running ability is severely under rated, as his work on the lead includes an explosive burst, but it doesn’t seem to wear off over the game.

He’s also plied his trade as a tall wingman to great effect. Against the Pioneers, he gathered 20 disposals, 11 marks (three contested) and eight tackles. He was truly sensational, and he dominated in that Matthew Richardson of 2008 role. The wingman involved in everything.

In his four games so far, Langford has been in the bests every single game. In his two games up forward, he’s kicked five goals in each match, with only three behinds.

His average stats read like this:

2.75 goals per game (one game as a key back, one as a wing, two as a forward).
16.5 disposals per game, with three games over 18 disposals.
8 marks per game (one game with 11, one with 12)
4.75 tackles per game (one game with 8, one with six)
2 contested marks per game

Langford is a match winner in every position on the ground. He finds his own ball, disposes of it well and is one of the best shots as goal that has come through the TAC Cup ranks.He will no doubt be able to put on size once he enters the AFL system, so no club should be deterred from him. His draft range could be anything, but he’d be a steal past pick 30.

Based on talent, consistency and ability to impact the game, Langford is not only a safe option come draft day, he has one of the biggest ceilings in terms of potential. Don’t be surprised if he does go earlier than expected and shoots up the order by the time November rolls around.

And Langford
this has a bit of a weird comparison

 

[doggies ftw]

Langford suits us perfectly, if he is there at our 2nd we would take him I reckon. Wouldn't be surprised if he did a Bontempelli. Maybe not top 5 but pushing it

 

[Dav1d]

that is a lot of hype to live up to