List Mgmt. 2015 LIST Discussion - trades, free agency etc

[Stig O'Hara]

If Kreuzer gets a 550 - 600 K offer P/A from Richmond or The Dogs, my gut feeling is the club won't match it and happy to cash in one band one compo.

......and more No's.

He gets what he's entitled to.....and that's more than he gets now.

You don't lose blokes this good.

 

[RAPPA]

If we can offer in excess of $2.5 million over four years for daisy, then $1 million per year for kreuzer is more than fine.

 

[bmaurizio]

That would be a great result for the baggers . McCarthy, Weitering and Francis would be too just good to refuse.
As much as I appreciate the big kruooz and he is a great carlton asset, how could you give up on the above combination.
Image Crispps and Francis terrorizing the midfield. McCarthy's enthusiasm in the forward line and Weitering dure and skilled in the back line.

 

[LordLucifer]

A Kruezer in the harbour is safe.......

......but that is not what a Kreuzer was built for.

 

[LordLucifer]

The Footy Show just reported that Geelong put Henderson through a medical on Wednesday

How can they do that when he is still contracted to Carlton ??

Surely they are breaking some rules here as are Richmond making approaches to Kreuzer & Yarran.

 

[Navy Cream]

How can they do that when he is still contracted to Carlton ??

Surely they are breaking some rules here as are Richmond making approaches to Kreuzer & Yarran.

I don't think we are cleanskins either. Haven't we spoken with Aish months ago? Silly season is starting earlier and earlier each year. Can we open a thread for the 2017 Trade period yet?

 

[T2B_]

Might as well have sold our soul if we let Kreuz go.

 

[LordLucifer]

I don't think we are cleanskins either. Haven't we spoken with Aish months ago? Silly season is starting earlier and earlier each year. Can we open a thread for the 2017 Trade period yet?

I think Trigg is friends of the family so they obviously got around on a technicality.

What appears to be happening is a blatant abuse of the rules that are in place. Either the league steps in and clips them hard or they get rid of the rule altogether !!

 

[SurreyBlue]

Agree Sheik. It's also 1 thing to talk to someone and another to put them through medicals, etc.

 

[Blue Razor]

Hendo doing a medical sounds like the deal is done

 

[Azul]

assuming he passed.

 

[Crocodilian1]

assuming he passed.

Supposedly last Wednesday, day before he said he wanted out

 

[JustaBattler]

No.

I would have preferred a capitalised version.

 

[JustaBattler]

I think Trigg is friends of the family so they obviously got around on a technicality.

What appears to be happening is a blatant abuse of the rules that are in place. Either the league steps in and clips them hard or they get rid of the rule altogether !!

Stop with the sooky la-la- just be happy that the pea hearted tosser is going to get us a decent pick and a higher dose of clean air around the Club.

 

[Jock]

assuming he passed.

They found a heart the size of a pea and a rubber spine, but other than he reportedly got through fine.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Supposedly last Wednesday, day before he said he wanted out

Day after, he told the club on the Tuesday apparently, the shit just hit the fan on the Thursday if I am not mistaken.

 

[BluStreak]

Hendo doing a medical sounds like the deal is done

Well he is supposed to be a hypochondriac, maybe he went to see his family doctor in Geelong?

Nahh

 

[LordLucifer]

Stop with the sooky la-la- just be happy that the pea hearted tosser is going to get us a decent pick and a higher dose of clean air around the Club.

A number of clubs have been complaining about this practice and I'm sure if we were doing it to them they would be making some noise.

 

[PuffDragon89]

THE DRAFT & TRADES
- five young inside mids
- four young key position players
- three young project ruckman
- two mid-sized utlities

- and a 3 goal a game small forward in a strong breeze

 

[PuffDragon89]

My current vibes on our off season...

Trades

Lachie Henderson + Pick 21 > GEEL
Pick 10 + Pick 29 > CARL

Tom Bell + Pick 29 > BRIS
James Aish > CARL

Pick 39 > GWS
Jed Lamb > CARL

Chris Yarran > HAW
James Sicily + Pick 17 > CARL

Troy Menzel + Pick 17 > ADE
Pick 11 + Pick 30 > CARL

I'm still holding out hope Yarran and Menzel will both stay.

Draft

National:
Pick 2 Jacob Weitering
Pick 10 Charlie Curnow
Pick 11 Josh Dunkley*
Pick 30 Ben Crocker
Pick 57 Jack Silvagni (F/S)

*Potential F/S to the Swans, but has yet to commit.

Rookie:
Pick 2 Michael Hartley
Pick 20 Daniel Rioli
Pick 38 Matt Korcheck

Delisting/Retirements

Out: Judd, Carrazzo, Warnock, Ellard, Watson*
Rookie Out: Wood (upgrade), Johnson, Russell

Think that he may still hold some value.

Round 1 2016

B: Jacob Weitering, Michael Jamison, Kade Simpson
HB: Sam Docherty, Sam Rowe, Zach Tuohy
C: James Aish, Nick Graham, Bryce Gibbs
HF: James Sicily, Kristian Jaksch, Dennis Armfield
F: Andrejs Everitt, Andrew Walker, Levi Casboult
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy
I/C: Dale Thomas, Blaine Boekhorst, Ed Curnow, Dylan Buckley

B: Tom Fields, Michael Hartley, Matthew Dick
HB: Ciaran Sheehan, Cam Giles, Simon White
C: Ciaran Byrne, Josh Dunkley, Nick Holman
HF: Charlie Curnow, Liam Jones, Jason Tutt
F: Jed Lamb, Jayden Foster, Jack Silvagni
Foll: Cameron Wood, Mark Whiley, Brad Walsh
I/C: Daniel Rioli, Ben Crocker, Clem Smith, Dillon Viojo-Rainbow, Billy Gowers, Matt Korcheck

Coaching Panel

Brendon Bolton (Senior Coach)
Neil Craig (Director of Coaching)
John Barker (Senior Assistant & Development)
Dean Laidley (Midfield)
Lenny Hayes (Midfield Development)
??? (Backs)
??? (Forwards)

Leadership Group

Marc Murphy (Captain)
Michael Jamison (Vice-Captain)
Matthew Kreuzer (Vice-Captain)
Kade Simpson
Sam Docherty
Patrick Cripps
Nick Graham

Feel free to rip apart.

Sav as Forwards Coach & Development

 

[The Bighouse]

He has a heart? Zoikes!

Poor Lockie....I hope he reads this forum...he'd be so screwed up he'd never pull on a boot again.
?

Only after he's netted us a nice 1st round draft pick.

 

[lzimmer]

Okay before I post this, my first preference is to keep Kruezer (love the guy), but given a LARGE contract offer it could be a smarter decision to let him walk. I would also like to keep Yarran given the right circumstances. But given the reality of our situation a fairly large overhaul could be on the cards.
Plus I'm not really sure about the rules surrounding rookies and amount of players on the list so I'm not even sure if this would be possible. But hypothetically, if Kruezer was to go and net us band 1, what are your thoughts on something like this as an extreme:

If Kruezer is let go for band 1 we could have 2,3,21,39,57,
Hendo and 21- Geelong for 11 and 29
Walker for pick 40ish (not sure as to what we would get for him, but given his late surge of form I could definitely see interest from near contending clubs)
Pick 3 and 29 for McCarthy/Patton and 10 (Saw this mentioned but would GWS accept?) EDIT: (FYI, this values McCarthy/Patton as pick 9 under the points system)
Yarran for pick 15ish (Richmond) if not= keep. (Lennon?)
Tom Bell for pick 22 (Gold Coast)
Pick 22- West Coast for Lycett
Aish PSD


Go into the draft 2,10,11,15,39,40,57
2- Jacob Weitering (Dominant CHB)
10-Charlie Curnow (Freak athlete, big bodied mid/key forward)
11-Rhys Mathieson (Most consistent mid in the champs)
15-Ryan Burton (Looked to be best forward in the draft last year before injury)
39-Bailey Rice (assuming bid at 27, Pick 40 becomes 48)
48-Kerbatiah (X-factor small forward, can rack up high numbers as well)
SOSOS- Rookie or 57.

Outs- Judd, Carrazzo, Bell, MK , Ellard, Warnock, Armfield?, Dick, Watson, Hendo, Yarran, Walker.

Ins- Weitering, Curnow, Mathieson, Burton, Rice, Kerbatiah, Lycett, Mccarthy/Patton, Aish.

Rookies
Upgrade Wood, Walsh, Byrne. ?
Re-rookie Sheehan, rookie Giles. ?

Buckley Jamison Tuohey
White Weitering Simpson
Docherty Cripps Aish
Menzel Mccarthy/Patton Boekhorst
Thomas Casboult Everitt
Lycett Murphy Gibbs
Graham C.Curnow KJ Byrne

Rice Giles Fields
DVR Rowe Sheehan
Holman Mathieson Tutt
Johnson Foster Jones
Smith Burton Kerbatiah
Wood E.Curnow Whiley

2017
Buckley Giles Tuohey
KJ Weitering Byrne
Docherty Cripps Aish
Menzel McCarthy/Patton Gibbs
Kerbatiah Burton Casboult
Lycett Murphy C.Curnow
Graham Boekhorst Rice Mathieson Holman DVR

 

[SE_Blue]

No complaints here about the Cats putting Henderson through a medical. Saves farting around and might help the deal be done quicker

 

[therubbernub]

He isn't that handy...

You will see next year

 

[Smalls0304]

......and more No's.

He gets what he's entitled to.....and that's more than he gets now.

You don't lose blokes this good.

But for what?
Another 5 years MAX while we sit at the bottom? Being crashed into every game because we dont have anyone else to help him? Why not try and get another young gun? And thats saying he will stay fit because he has played the back half of this season and we suddenly assume he wont ever get injured again? I love the man but let go after success because he isnt going to help us get back to the top, pick 3 does.