List Mgmt. 2015 LIST Discussion - trades, free agency etc

[Tennant]

Afl will give lions a pre draft priority pick.. We'll end up with pick 2,3... Brisbane 1,4,5

That will never happen, the bottom two teams won't get the first 5 picks. This really is the silly season, I wish we could just fast forward to draft day. It's going to be unbearable over the next few months with all this free agency/priority picks talk. The AFL should just go back to basics with no priority picks and get rid of compensation picks.

 

[thylacine60]

too much ****ing logic right there, T-Man............

 

[LordLucifer]

Good to know.
Not that is affects us now, but would a club out there pay Leuenbeger $500k a year?

He's certainly not worth that amount, however, there is always someone desperate enough to throw money away. We may see up to 4 clubs trying to secure a ruckman and if he ends up being the last one available his price may go way higher than it should.

 

[LordLucifer]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-07/treloar-to-ask-for-trade

Well

SOS needs to get in his ear and tell him to nominate for the PSD, we'll pay the money needed but we can't trade for him.

 

[LordLucifer]

Marc shmurf I think indicated that we've asked if there's any compo if Carlisle us suspended for an extended period.

I don't know how the AFL can provide compensation in this scenario, it's a "buyer beware" situation. Everyone knows there is a huge risk in taking on an Essendon player regardless of the method in which you secure them.

Carlisle would be a great pick-up if there was to be no WADA suspension but we cannot guarantee that so steer clear and wait till the PSD to do anything with him.

 

[LordLucifer]

Afl will give lions a pre draft priority pick.. We'll end up with pick 2,3... Brisbane 1,4,5

I can't see that happening, they didn't even finish last FFS !!!

 

[Just Kreuzing]

SOS needs to get in his ear and tell him to nominate for the PSD, we'll pay the money needed but we can't trade for him.

Hopefully that comes after the Pies cant close the deal with the Giants, slips to the PSD with a substantial price on his head !!

 

[Just Kreuzing]

I can't see that happening, they didn't even finish last FFS !!!

And beat us twice !!

 

[SBYM]

This really is the silly season, I wish we could just fast forward to draft day.

It's doing my nut in already, and it's literally the day after the HnA season finished...

 

[Burgers45]

From Fox Sports tonight...

The Lions are in a fight to retain the services of Josh Green. Green has been linked to his former coach at Clarence in Tasmania, Brendan Bolton, who has taken over at Carlton.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...ping-stef-martin/story-e6frf3e3-1227516770514

 

[TeeJay Blue]

That will never happen, the bottom two teams won't get the first 5 picks. This really is the silly season, I wish we could just fast forward to draft day. It's going to be unbearable over the next few months with all this free agency/priority picks talk. The AFL should just go back to basics with no priority picks and get rid of compensation picks.

Good, but wouldn't the academy player in Callum Mills most likely be pick 5? That is to Sydney's advantage and would push Brisbane back to pick six.

The AFL would and should not take away pick 1 from Carlton.

 

[Azul]

well i hadn't heard of Josh Green until 30 seconds ago.

reasonable swap for Bell? 14 months younger, likes a goal.

 

[thylacine60]

Always the showpony, Azul, always 30 seconds ahead of me..........

 

[Dramoth]

Bennell is the type of elite Young talent this club needs, Menzel and steak knives should get it done when you consider he is damaged goods. We could rid of the other trouble makers at the club, and i reckon Bolts could get him on the straight and narrow.

The biggest risk in life is not to take any risks at all, we should roll the dice on Harley I reckon.

I'm shocked to be reading this... you do know that Carlton has a ZERO tolerance policy towards drugs?

 

[Dramoth]

Said in the other thread, the only way that we get 1+2 for Kruezer is if we agree not to take Schache at pick 2 AND if Luenberger leaves the Lions and they get compensated with pick 4.

Dogs get Kruezer, Luenberger goes to the Dons or whomever, Carlton get Weitering and pick 2 (???, but not Schache), Lions get Schache and pick 4 (???). Everyone (particularly the AFL) wins.

Isnt that draft tampering at the highest level?

 

[Dramoth]

I think it's indicative that a deal has already been agreed to in principle, or it's Gills way of firing a warning towards us.

It was more than just a passing comment, thats for sure.

So whats he going to do if we agree in principle and then turn around and take him anyway after we get pick 2?

 

[Malifice]

So whats he going to do if we agree in principle and then turn around and take him anyway after we get pick 2?

It's not draft tampering if the AFL do it. And I would assume the AFL would have ways to punish us. They control the fixture, hand out money and have discretion with priority picks and FA picks. It wouldnt be wise.

That said, just giving us pick 3 works a lot more elegantly.

 

[Dramoth]

What you're suggesting is extortion and draft tampering including the boss of the AFL. It's ludicrous and it sounds like you're peddling a conspiracy. Your 'read between the lines' comment is something that shows you're reading into something that isn't there.

Having a Lions team on the bottom benefits the AFL no more than having a Blues team on the bottom (again) so to suggest they'll get an unfair 'leg up' in such an obvious and illegal way would make a mockery of everything.

To suggest we would get unfairly 'punished' for failing to comply with an illegal plan would be seen through quicker than your theories.

Apologies to Mods - trying hard to play the argument, not the man. I just can't agree with it... unless Malifice is Gill himself...

I can attest that Mal isnt Gil!

 

[Malifice]

What you're suggesting is extortion and draft tampering including the boss of the AFL. It's ludicrous and it sounds like you're peddling a conspiracy. Your 'read between the lines' comment is something that shows you're reading into something that isn't there.

Having a Lions team on the bottom benefits the AFL no more than having a Blues team on the bottom (again) so to suggest they'll get an unfair 'leg up' in such an obvious and illegal way would make a mockery of everything.

To suggest we would get unfairly 'punished' for failing to comply with an illegal plan would be seen through quicker than your theories.

Apologies to Mods - trying hard to play the argument, not the man. I just can't agree with it... unless Malifice is Gill himself...

You're probably right.

They'll just hand us pick 3 and be done with it.

Much cleaner that way.

 

[therubbernub]

I don't know how the AFL can provide compensation in this scenario, it's a "buyer beware" situation. Everyone knows there is a huge risk in taking on an Essendon player regardless of the method in which you secure them.

Carlisle would be a great pick-up if there was to be no WADA suspension but we cannot guarantee that so steer clear and wait till the PSD to do anything with him.

Yes but the Umpire- the AFL has already admitted - no case to answer. So strictly speaking the buyer beware argument is moot. That is based on eveidence to date.

 

[Dramoth]

It's not draft tampering if the AFL do it. And I would assume the AFL would have ways to punish us. They control the fixture, hand out money and have discretion with priority picks and FA picks. It wouldnt be wise.

That said, just giving us pick 3 works a lot more elegantly.

I posed a thought somewhere else... if the AFL is going to try and screw things around so that the paddlepops get Schache, they will award the paddlepops a priority pick before the first round. But the problem there is that both the paddlepops and us have been equally shit with us potentially being shit for longer (pointing out that the paddlepops did win 3 premierships in a row thanks to the AFL COLA they were on back in the day) and therefore if the AFL is going to be handing out priority picks, we need one just as much if not more than the paddlepops.

Currently everything is pointing towards Carlton having to take a shot from the AFL just to get our rightful compensation for losing a club stalwart or the AFL bends us over by awarding the paddlepops a priority pick that they don't need.

The AFL screwed the entire system with Fat Vlad the useless **** creating 2 whole new teams so that there are two expansion teams in all the other states except for Tasmania... which is an AFL state according to sporting demographics. While creating those two teams, he allows them to gut several drafts of top end talent which would have filtered down to the relevant clubs via the draft.

The AFL can't even sort out a ****ing doping scandal without appearing completely corrupt. They could have given lessons to Sepp Blatter in corruption.

And now... to make the AFL happy and look after the paddlepops, we have to agree to not take a player because the president of the AFL has basically said that he will end up in Brisbane?

 

[Dramoth]

Yes but the Umpire- the AFL has already admitted - no case to answer. So strictly speaking the buyer beware argument is moot. That is based on eveidence to date.

And what are they going to do if WADA bans him for 2 years... flip the bird at WADA and let him play on regardless?

Like thats going to really go down well.

 

[Malifice]

I posed a thought somewhere else... if the AFL is going to try and screw things around so that the paddlepops get Schache, they will award the paddlepops a priority pick before the first round. But the problem there is that both the paddlepops and us have been equally shit with us potentially being shit for longer (pointing out that the paddlepops did win 3 premierships in a row thanks to the AFL COLA they were on back in the day) and therefore if the AFL is going to be handing out priority picks, we need one just as much if not more than the paddlepops.

Currently everything is pointing towards Carlton having to take a shot from the AFL just to get our rightful compensation for losing a club stalwart or the AFL bends us over by awarding the paddlepops a priority pick that they don't need.

The AFL screwed the entire system with Fat Vlad the useless **** creating 2 whole new teams so that there are two expansion teams in all the other states except for Tasmania... which is an AFL state according to sporting demographics. While creating those two teams, he allows them to gut several drafts of top end talent which would have filtered down to the relevant clubs via the draft.

The AFL can't even sort out a ******* doping scandal without appearing completely corrupt. They could have given lessons to Sepp Blatter in corruption.

And now... to make the AFL happy and look after the paddlepops, we have to agree to not take a player because the president of the AFL has basically said that he will end up in Brisbane?

I reckon he's gone (dogs look likely), we'll get 2 and theyll bump us down to 3.

 

[Dramoth]

In that situation (an outlier for sure) I'm fairly confident that a simple phone call to the AFL (A conference call with Brissy and Gil) could sort out something.

It goes more like this:

Carlton: "If we let Kreuzer head to the Dog's for 4 years at $1mil per year, what's the ball park for a compo pick for that?."
AFL: "Normally pick 2 but that would likely trigger our discretion to downgrade that pick. We're particularly mindful of Brisbanes situation and dont want to jeopardise them. Expansion is our main priority and all that."
Carlton: "Is there a way we could ameliorate your concerns re Brisbane, and convince you not to exercise that discretion?"
AFL: "They're keen on Schache. His old man played for the Bears. There is marketing money involved, and we would prefer if he ended up north."
Carlton: "We're not interested in him. If we make an undertaking not to pick him at 1 or 2, would that affect your discretion to not view awarding us compo pick 2 as an anomaly"
AFL: "We'll take your undertaking into consideration when exercising our discretion"

If we got pick 2 under those circumstances I would have no hesitation in trading that pick off to... say GC17 for a couple of players and their first round pick. After all, they are an expansion club and they actually need a big key forward now that Dixon has announced he is off to Port Adelaide.

We could then turn around and say to the AFL hey, we kept our side of the bargin, we didnt pick Schache... it was those dirty mongrels at the suns who did the dirty on the whole deal.

And considering that the compensation is usually announced right after the deal has been completed for a player. It's set in stone.

It ****s the AFL and ****s Brisbane.

 

[Dramoth]

Does anybody think the AFL would step in to stop the Lions getting #1 and #2 if they didn't beat the Dogs and offloaded Leuey, despite how bad we obviously are?

And they would quite happily cheer as Brisbane selected Weitering and Schache with picks 1 and 2.