2015 Trade/FA Discussion (cont. in Pt.2)

[lion4life]

Don't really get the angst in regards to Levi Casboult. From what I saw this year and believe me, I saw way too much of Carlton on Friday nights for my liking, his set shot kicking has dramatically improved this year.

I think Casboult still has this moniker that he's. Horrible set shot for goal based on his past reputation.

That coupled with his strong contested marking makes Casboult an extremely attractive option.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Don't really get the angst in regards to Levi Casboult. From what I saw this year and believe me, I saw way too much of Carlton on Friday nights for my liking, his set shot kicking has dramatically improved this year.

I think Casboult still has this moniker that he's. Horrible set shot for goal based on his past reputation.

That coupled with his strong contested marking makes Casboult an extremely attractive option.

Yeah I am not enamoured with him but when you consider how even the presence of a C-Grader on his last legs in McGuane noticably straightened us up in those last few rounds and gave our forward entries some real purpose, you'd have to think Casboult would offer at least that, if not more.

 

[lion4life]

Yeah I am not enamoured with him but when you consider how even the presence of a C-Grader on his last legs in McGuane noticably straightened us up in those last few rounds and gave our forward entries some real purpose, you'd have to think Casboult would offer at least that, if not more.

100% agree with you, TBD. It's also not like he's old. Only just turned 25 this year, so he's about to enter the period of his career where KPF's generally excel.

 

[iBeng]

Brownys brought Freemans goal kicking leapyears forward. If he could do the same for Casboult, well...Yeah.

 

[cmt26]

What's people's expectations for a fair deal for Astbury & Jansen?
The Cats are usually excellent to deal with, and while they would prefer to keep Jansen. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being pretty cheap.

 

[notting18]

What's people's expectations for a fair deal for Astbury & Jansen?
The Cats are usually excellent to deal with, and while they would prefer to keep Jansen. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being pretty cheap.

Jansens out of contract and could go in the PSD to us pretty easily. Hasn't played a game in two years and was a mid draft level pick. He'd be worth our early 4th round pick but unclear if that would be of use to Geelong. Might see us upgrad one or two of their picks instead.

 

[SizeMatters]

What's people's expectations for a fair deal for Astbury & Jansen?
The Cats are usually excellent to deal with, and while they would prefer to keep Jansen. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being pretty cheap.

4th and 5th rounders? Depends if we want a Wagner or Williams who might get bids that force us to use points.

 

[If it bleeds]

Lets face it, we dont have big crowds, world class facilities or, at this stage, on field success. We also dont have a large number of quality QLD kids at other clubs seriously considering returning home. What we do have is a mix of Vics, SAs, and WAers who see their home town clubs bigger and better than us and think "You know what? I want to be remembered for having played for a big club. Im getting out of here." and the rest is history.

How do we fix that? How do we suddenly become a 50k+ member, world class facility owning AFL Heavy Weight? CAN we become that?

" can we become that?"

Anything is possible.... But realistically those numbers not in our generation. Remember though success is measured in many different ways.

Key areas

1)Academies/ player retention: the production of high end talent in our own back yard. Taking 1-3 players each year. Turning our current 85% interstate origin closer to the Afls average 41%. Could take 3-5-10 years of consolidating A graders- but the end result is sustained success. Current rating 5/10

Being a laughing stock now is short term pain. Just like SOO bleeding for the jumper our players will feel a passion unlike any other club.
This success will bring the members , the crowds, the sponsors and media attention.

2) top quality facilities. All the work in identifying the talent must then be developed to see max return from investment. Without this our talent won't reach potential.
With collingwood $80mill/ west coast $60mill/ Hawks $50mill facilities how do we ever compete with tin sheds, shitty training grounds and no established heart land. Current rating 1/10

We are a frontier club battling for the afl yet our supplies and armoury is being stripped to satisfy fat cats in their own bubble.
The previous boom ( 2001-2005) the caretakers had no vision or sustainability built into the clubs future.

3) the right people for the right job.
I'm talking From Pres/CEO/board/talent acquisition /coaches etc. Current rating 5/10

As we can all see there is plenty of improvement but without a dream reality is nothing.

Go lions.

 

[theteamtobeat]

Don't really get the angst in regards to Levi Casboult. From what I saw this year and believe me, I saw way too much of Carlton on Friday nights for my liking, his set shot kicking has dramatically improved this year.

I think Casboult still has this moniker that he's. Horrible set shot for goal based on his past reputation.

That coupled with his strong contested marking makes Casboult an extremely attractive option.

Totally agree. Much better prospect then bloody Lisle.

 

[cheekyLionsFan]

Dangerfields trade offer looks similar to the Beams trade. 1st pick+2nd pick and player. If i were Adelaide i would be hoping for a decent player

 

[Deep Blue]

Ahhhh, I always had a soft spot for Carlton, but seriously you owe us for Docherty.

Agree with Docherty - a shining light, consistent and classy! Not happy to lose Bell - he's given good service and wants to go back home to QLD - by all accounts he's done the right thing by the club and they're doing the right thing by him (something Aish didn't do). Robinson and Bell are two absolute wrecking balls (Robinson was on one of my membership cards - so fearless); just couldn't believe other clubs weren't keen on Robbo when he was unfortunately off-loaded by Malthouse - always gave 100% and inspired his team mates in a poor team with his courage and hyper-enthusiasm. Bell on the other hand is quiet, but he is no-fuss, runs all day (huge tank) at a good pace, is very hard at the ball and physically imposing as a tackler - he does sometimes still butcher the ball with his straight-ahead, head-down style, but he has also kicked some great running goals from the boundary, and I have to say he never plays a bad game (consistency is what I like in a player). Bell's best football lies ahead of him (late bloomer) and I will be very sad to see him go. Will always be a big fan of Robbo and Belly (I used to shout out "Go 'Ding Dong'" and "Go Robbo" - no more!).

 

[cozhawk19]

I am a Hawks man living in Brisbane and a Lions member attending each home game to get my live footy fix.

Selfishly i would love for you to get Casboult as he is what makes Footy exciting. The big contested mark like an old fashioned forward and the big long goals. Something that may appeal to getting people through the gates.

Jason Dunstall made me in love with the game and players of that ilk like Lynch and Brown made me join the Lions.

Yes, you have some wonderful talent coming through and your young forwards will develop, but i would love to come watch Levi each week for what he brings.

Good luck Lions, would love to see you back up there soon.

 

[Len S]

4th and 5th rounders? Depends if we want a Wagner or Williams who might get bids that force us to use points.

We must not lose William....see Kevin Sheehan's summary of our Academy talent,on the club site. William created as much interest as any player at the carnival,believe me. Also interesting comments on Chol.

 

[theteamtobeat]

I know that we are sending Aish to the National Draft, but isn't that our fault for drafting him in the first place. Clearly our club approaches the draft with a mindset of drafting the best players available to us, specially with our first round picks.

We need to take a different approach list management wise. Draft kids that want to be at our club, have a connection to our club, live in states that don't have a AFL football club and have been independent by living in boarding schools.

I get why we are sending Aish to the National Draft, but it doesn't really help our football club. Just trade him to Collingwood and get picks 24 & 26. That's the best thing we can do for ourselves.

 

[Deep Blue]

I am a Hawks man living in Brisbane and a Lions member attending each home game to get my live footy fix.

Selfishly i would love for you to get Casboult as he is what makes Footy exciting. The big contested mark like an old fashioned forward and the big long goals. Something that may appeal to getting people through the gates.

Jason Dunstall made me in love with the game and players of that ilk like Lynch and Brown made me join the Lions.

Yes, you have some wonderful talent coming through and your young forwards will develop, but i would love to come watch Levi each week for what he brings.

Good luck Lions, would love to see you back up there soon.

There will be a revolution at Ikon Park if big Levi "Rock The Casboult" leaves - don't know why they have shopped him around! The big bloke is really starting to come into his own - a real fan-favourite with that big frame, baby-face and iron mitts.

 

[theteamtobeat]

There will be a revolution at Ikon Park if big Levi "Rock The Casboult" leaves - don't know why they have shopped him around! The big bloke is really starting to come into his own - a real fan-favourite with that big frame, baby-face and iron mitts.

Who's in charge on making these silly decisions to get rid of all the quality players leaving Carlton?

Should get the sack. Jacobs, Betts, Robinson, Garlett, Waite, Greg Swann (CEO) and for some reason bringing in Thomas via FA.

 

[Deep Blue]

Are you talking about Liam Jones?

Please, mention of Liam "$#@!%" Jones brings on seizures! Malthouse reckons he was a beast! The bloke just can't find the football - is always where the ball ain't - absolutely bloody useless! Seriously wanted to fire-bomb the Whitten Oval for that trading outrage! Bulldogs should have given us their first-round pick just to take him off their hands!

 

[Fitzroy bears]

The issue with letting him walk to the draft is that Collingwood can just play the Luke Ball card in the national draft. They can just get Aish to put a price on his head of $700k x 1 year in the draft. If another club picks him up they are using a valuable draft pick, paying Aish massive overs and will probably lose him a year later. If Collingwood pick him with say a second or third roudn pick, they can just get Aish to sign on immediately for two further years at unders, say $100k or so. I think this is much more likely than Carlton getting him in the pre-season draft.

Who is to say adelaide wont swoop they will have the money and certainly the ability to keep him not so sure its all that easy for the pies and I think they realise that which is why balme kicked, screamed and is holding his breath until we do what he wants

 

[John_Proctor]

We must not lose William....see Kevin Sheehan's summary of our Academy talent,on the club site. William created as much interest as any player at the carnival,believe me. Also interesting comments on Chol.

One thing about Shifter is that you rarely see him say a bad word about any kid in their draft year. He is practically like a protective uncle of the U-18's.

every udnraftable dud is 'a chance of being a late pick' to him.

 

[Deep Blue]

Who's in charge on making these silly decisions to get rid of all the quality players leaving Carlton?

Should get the sack. Jacobs, Betts, Robinson, Garlett, Waite, Greg Swann (CEO) and for some reason bringing in Thomas via FA.

Great question - team wins the wooden spoon and off-loaded players starring elsewhere???!!! The main thing is to have a happy club - some clubs perhaps too professional, too corporate, too results-driven, too hung-up with culture! It takes all types, and above-all, great people managers who can get the best out of the talent at-hand and get people working together as a happy team. At one stage I was expecting Carlton to off-load players if they told a "fart joke" in the locker-room!

Hopefully things are on the up with Bolton but not convinced that all is still quite as well as it should be behind the scenes (board factions at the very least have always been a problem). Lot of sad, glum, stressed faces at Carlton this year and players playing well below what they are capable of - would expect players like Henderson and Yarran to rip it up elsewhere next year and provide more pain for Carlton supporters.

Ah well...

 

[John_Proctor]

on Casboult I just posted in the Bell thread I didn't believe Carlton would be letting him go but I've just read around and realise there is speculation of him being shopped. I still don't really believe it.

anyway - he'd be a great get for us IMO. kicked 24 goals in 16 games this year. a very handy effort in a team as poor as Carlton and would have been 2nd on our goalkicking this year at that total. His kicking improved massively the second half of this year as well and just noticed CHampion Data tweeted his accuracy of 57% was above AFL average this year.

He'd allow us to bring Schace along slowly, free McStay up to be the more 'swingman' role that he is more suited too.

 

[Deep Blue]

on Casboult I just posted in the Bell thread I didn't believe Carlton would be letting him go but I've just read around and realise there is speculation of him being shopped. I still don't really believe it.

anyway - he'd be a great get for us IMO. kicked 24 goals in 16 games this year. a very handy effort in a team as poor as Carlton and would have been 2nd on our goalkicking this year at that total. His kicking improved massively the second half of this year as well and just noticed CHampion Data tweeted his accuracy of 57% was above AFL average this year.

He'd allow us to bring Schace along slowly, free McStay up to be the more 'swingman' role that he is more suited too.

Casboult also is a big presence up forward and crunches packs - brings the ball to ground if he doesn't mark and clears the decks for crumbers (with your "mosquito fleet" he'd be great) - ah, that's right we got rid of Betts, Garlett and Robinson and had a disinterested Yarran and Menzel at Levi's feet!!! With Waite sent packing and Henderson putting the cue in the rack early in the year was it any wonder we struggled up forward? Just want to forget 2015!

Couldn't bear to lose both Belly and big Levi "Rock The Casboult"!!!!!!!!!

 

[LIONS08]

Reading over Whitecross' stats and he could be a very handy player for us. Doesn't get a heap of touches but plays his role and kicks a couple of goals. His first 4 years at the halks went 13, 16, 21, 22 games before he did his ACL in the Q.F before getting back to play another 11 in 2013 before doing his ACL again in the P.F. Really hasn't had much luck but he could be a very handy, professional player for us! Wouldn't cost us a heap either.

 

[morsie]

Totally agree. Much better prospect then bloody Lisle.

agree and we taught Mitch Clark to kick straight.I reckon he was worse than Casboult when he started.

 

[Cooties]

Out of all the (realistic) players linked with us - Casboult would be high on my list to be honest. Let's face it, we suck at contested marks especially inside forward 50. I'd rather see us kicking to Casboult than a loose opposition player like we did all too often this season