List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Free agency and draft rumours

[MightyHawks]

Buckenara was just on the news and said the draft becomes very speculative from 30 onwards. 20-30 for Jed or the club and Jed sort something out.

Probably stretches out to 35 then as teams like Melbourne and Richmond will waste some early picks

 

[Thaihawk]

"GREAT" players going to the Cats?, i mean Dangerfield is quality, but "GREAT" is a little over the top and if you think that muppet Henderson or the "worst" Selwood are going to add anything to the Cats next year, then i think you might be mistaken

I think you misunderstood my post. I was generalizing, my point being no matter how many quality, or not, platers you get, you still need a top coach, and we have the best.

 

[The Ghost Of Glenferrie]

Disappointed that TOB hasn't really come on. HE might be one of our high pick failures...

What deals would be realistic, if we packaged up Anderson and O'brien to Adelaide, with some swapped picks?

I know that Adelaide were into TOB in a big way before we snagged him after their draft ban.

Is there a win-win?

Any thoughts my good folk?

 

[Hawkas1988]

There are a lot of quality delistings this year, if the draft is as bad as they say, why not pick up a Matthew Watson in the second round?

You're clearly taking the piss with this one HP. Too obvious this time.

 

[MightyHawks]

Anyone worried that Cats will be our biggest threat next year ? well done to them for getting all these trades done.

Worried?

Most Hawks flags in the modern era involve us beating them in the finals on the way to the flag

2015 was an exception

Happy to have them back

 

[crazywildhorse]

What deals would be realistic, if we packaged up Anderson and O'brien to Adelaide, with some swapped picks?

I know that Adelaide were into TOB in a big way before we snagged him after their draft ban.

Is there a win-win?

Any thoughts my good folk?

I just don't see anyone giving away a pick in the top 25, which is what will be required.

 

[Lethality]

You're clearly taking the piss with this one HP. Too obvious this time.

Well I'm looking at the equivalent picks from the 2004 draft, which this has been compared to, and it clearly looks like a better deal if we picked up a couple of delistings instead.

 

[crazywildhorse]

From all the news I don't really understand if Whitecross actually want to leave? Does the club actually want him to leave? He doesn't seem like the type of bloke that would ditch us.

 

[bluespooner]

So you would trade out a 40 goal a season small forward?? Because they grow on trees?

If I were a mod you would be carded for suggesting a 25 year old triple premiership small forward be traded out - that's lunacy

Well you can always report me but I think it's a worthwhile conversation.

I don't think Breust had a great season. His first final against the eagles was woeful. Even worse and one thing I cannot stand seeing from a Hawthorn footballer is that he squibbed a contest. Admittedly, he redeemed himself in the later finals; I think it was 6 in the Adelaide final and even though I don't think he kicked a goal in the GF he did some useful things.

In my opinion, though he has already peaked. The problem I have with Breust is that he isn't a natural footballer. Sees the football in the forward line and runs straight at it, at times you need to hold back and let the player running onto the ball who is heading towards the goals that opportunity. Look at the GF, Hawthorn's first goal in the third quarter kicked ultimately by Schoenmakers, Breust almost knocks Rioli over when before he centres that ball, he has little awareness about creating space in the forward line. As a forward he suffers from being robotic which is not a good thing as a small forward needs a big bag of tricks to beat their opponent.

Breust is a seagull and gets a lot of goals from stoppages and from being fed by the accurate disposal into Hawthorn's forward line. I think it is a skillset that can be replaced. Trading Breust and possibly a third round draft pick in exchange for two top ten draft picks in the 2016 draft plus possibly a fringe player that GWS will let go, works well for both clubs. Hawthorn gets an opportunity of re-building their midfield and GWS gets a local premiership player they want and points towards picking up academy players.

One thing you can be sure of next season is that the opposition is going to adopt a lot more of Hardwick’s tactics to beat Hawthorn. They are not going to zone or allow the uncontested marks which cut up Adelaide, Fremantle and West Coast in the finals. They are going to go man on man a lot more which means the disposal into Hawthorn’s forward line will not be on a platter.

Hawthorn is going to require footballers that are able to beat their direct opponent. I don’t think a player that won’t back himself to mark the ball out in front and consistently tries to take it in his chest thus allowing his opponent a spoil opportunity cuts it under these changed circumstances i.e. watch the Fremantle and eagles finals. Anderson is a natural footballer, creative who I have no doubt would work beautifully in tandem with Rioli. Anderson can beat a direct opponent, blokes like O’Brien and Sicily can win contested marks.

If these blokes don’t get opportunities they will all look to move on for more opportunities. Trading Breust is the best way I can see for re-building, by getting access to the top end in a strong draft or possibly to make a play for an O’Meara when he comes out of contract at the end of next season.

 

[MightyHawks]

There are a lot of quality delistings this year, if the draft is as bad as they say, why not pick up a Matthew Watson in the second round?

Because he'd spud up our list for 2 years

 

[CD Xbow]

Well you can always report me but I think it's a worthwhile conversation.

I don't think Breust had a great season. His first final against the eagles was woeful. Even worse and one thing I cannot stand seeing from a Hawthorn footballer is that he squibbed a contest. Admittedly, he redeemed himself in the later finals; I think it was 6 in the Adelaide final and even though I don't think he kicked a goal in the GF he did some useful things.

In my opinion, though he has already peaked. The problem I have with Breust is that he isn't a natural footballer. Sees the football in the forward line and runs straight at it, at times you need to hold back and let the player running onto the ball who is heading towards the goals that opportunity. Look at the GF, Hawthorn's first goal in the third quarter kicked ultimately by Schoenmakers, Breust almost knocks Rioli over when before he centres that ball, he has little awareness about creating space in the forward line. As a forward he suffers from being robotic which is not a good thing as a small forward needs a big bag of tricks to beat their opponent.

Breust is a seagull and gets a lot of goals from stoppages and from being fed by the accurate disposal into Hawthorn's forward line. I think it is a skillset that can be replaced. Trading Breust and possibly a third round draft pick in exchange for two top ten draft picks in the 2016 draft plus possibly a fringe player that GWS will let go, works well for both clubs. Hawthorn gets an opportunity of re-building their midfield and GWS gets a local premiership player they want and points towards picking up academy players.

One thing you can be sure of next season is that the opposition is going to adopt a lot more of Hardwick’s tactics to beat Hawthorn. They are not going to zone or allow the uncontested marks which cut up Adelaide, Fremantle and West Coast in the finals. They are going to go man on man a lot more which means the disposal into Hawthorn’s forward line will not be on a platter.

Hawthorn is going to require footballers that are able to beat their direct opponent. I don’t think a player that won’t back himself to mark the ball out in front and consistently tries to take it in his chest thus allowing his opponent a spoil opportunity cuts it under these changed circumstances i.e. watch the Fremantle and eagles finals. Anderson is a natural footballer, creative who I have no doubt would work beautifully in tandem with Rioli. Anderson can beat a direct opponent, blokes like O’Brien and Sicily can win contested marks.

If these blokes don’t get opportunities they will all look to move on for more opportunities. Trading Breust is the best way I can see for re-building, by getting access to the top end in a strong draft or possibly to make a play for an O’Meara when he comes out of contract at the end of next season.

Dear Sir/Madam,

I have significant reasons to doubt your sanity. Perhaps you have recently stopped your medication? If so, I suggest you restart it.

Yours Sincerely

 

[PenAndPaper]

Well you can always report me but I think it's a worthwhile conversation.

I don't think Breust had a great season. His first final against the eagles was woeful. Even worse and one thing I cannot stand seeing from a Hawthorn footballer is that he squibbed a contest. Admittedly, he redeemed himself in the later finals; I think it was 6 in the Adelaide final and even though I don't think he kicked a goal in the GF he did some useful things.

In my opinion, though he has already peaked. The problem I have with Breust is that he isn't a natural footballer. Sees the football in the forward line and runs straight at it, at times you need to hold back and let the player running onto the ball who is heading towards the goals that opportunity. Look at the GF, Hawthorn's first goal in the third quarter kicked ultimately by Schoenmakers, Breust almost knocks Rioli over when before he centres that ball, he has little awareness about creating space in the forward line. As a forward he suffers from being robotic which is not a good thing as a small forward needs a big bag of tricks to beat their opponent.

Breust is a seagull and gets a lot of goals from stoppages and from being fed by the accurate disposal into Hawthorn's forward line. I think it is a skillset that can be replaced. Trading Breust and possibly a third round draft pick in exchange for two top ten draft picks in the 2016 draft plus possibly a fringe player that GWS will let go, works well for both clubs. Hawthorn gets an opportunity of re-building their midfield and GWS gets a local premiership player they want and points towards picking up academy players.

One thing you can be sure of next season is that the opposition is going to adopt a lot more of Hardwick’s tactics to beat Hawthorn. They are not going to zone or allow the uncontested marks which cut up Adelaide, Fremantle and West Coast in the finals. They are going to go man on man a lot more which means the disposal into Hawthorn’s forward line will not be on a platter.

Hawthorn is going to require footballers that are able to beat their direct opponent. I don’t think a player that won’t back himself to mark the ball out in front and consistently tries to take it in his chest thus allowing his opponent a spoil opportunity cuts it under these changed circumstances i.e. watch the Fremantle and eagles finals. Anderson is a natural footballer, creative who I have no doubt would work beautifully in tandem with Rioli. Anderson can beat a direct opponent, blokes like O’Brien and Sicily can win contested marks.

If these blokes don’t get opportunities they will all look to move on for more opportunities. Trading Breust is the best way I can see for re-building, by getting access to the top end in a strong draft or possibly to make a play for an O’Meara when he comes out of contract at the end of next season.

1. Breust was still arguably in the top 4 small forwards in the comp
2. If this is his peak so be it, it is still better than 95% of other small forwards in the comp
3. Actually his reading of the play and positioning at a contest/running onto a contest is exceptional
4. Why does he need a big bag of tricks when he still beats his opponents and kicked 50 goals for the season...
5. That is where you are oh so very wrong. The football smarts of Breust crumbing contests and stoppages is irreplaceable
6. We lose a proved 40+ goal a year small forward for speculative picks and a fringe player at a mid tier club
7. Teams have tried that...Fremantle and Sydney are renowned for it. Richmond just match up well against us personnel wise
8. I'm sorry I didn't realise a player that kicked 50+ goals this season couldn't beat their direct opponent...
9. O'Brien may be able to take a contested mark but he can't find the footy
10. If you trade Breust away to re-build our midfield then our forward line will need rebuilding...

Don't rob Peter to pay Paul

 

[Lethality]

Breust had some patches where he went goalless, but that doesn't not a poor season make.

 

[sven_inc]

Well you can always report me but I think it's a worthwhile conversation.

I don't think Breust had a great season. His first final against the eagles was woeful. Even worse and one thing I cannot stand seeing from a Hawthorn footballer is that he squibbed a contest. Admittedly, he redeemed himself in the later finals; I think it was 6 in the Adelaide final and even though I don't think he kicked a goal in the GF he did some useful things.

In my opinion, though he has already peaked. The problem I have with Breust is that he isn't a natural footballer. Sees the football in the forward line and runs straight at it, at times you need to hold back and let the player running onto the ball who is heading towards the goals that opportunity. Look at the GF, Hawthorn's first goal in the third quarter kicked ultimately by Schoenmakers, Breust almost knocks Rioli over when before he centres that ball, he has little awareness about creating space in the forward line. As a forward he suffers from being robotic which is not a good thing as a small forward needs a big bag of tricks to beat their opponent.

Breust is a seagull and gets a lot of goals from stoppages and from being fed by the accurate disposal into Hawthorn's forward line. I think it is a skillset that can be replaced. Trading Breust and possibly a third round draft pick in exchange for two top ten draft picks in the 2016 draft plus possibly a fringe player that GWS will let go, works well for both clubs. Hawthorn gets an opportunity of re-building their midfield and GWS gets a local premiership player they want and points towards picking up academy players.

One thing you can be sure of next season is that the opposition is going to adopt a lot more of Hardwick’s tactics to beat Hawthorn. They are not going to zone or allow the uncontested marks which cut up Adelaide, Fremantle and West Coast in the finals. They are going to go man on man a lot more which means the disposal into Hawthorn’s forward line will not be on a platter.

Hawthorn is going to require footballers that are able to beat their direct opponent. I don’t think a player that won’t back himself to mark the ball out in front and consistently tries to take it in his chest thus allowing his opponent a spoil opportunity cuts it under these changed circumstances i.e. watch the Fremantle and eagles finals. Anderson is a natural footballer, creative who I have no doubt would work beautifully in tandem with Rioli. Anderson can beat a direct opponent, blokes like O’Brien and Sicily can win contested marks.

If these blokes don’t get opportunities they will all look to move on for more opportunities. Trading Breust is the best way I can see for re-building, by getting access to the top end in a strong draft or possibly to make a play for an O’Meara when he comes out of contract at the end of next season.

Whilst I dont agree with your assessment of Breust, I understand where you are coming from. If we did shift a gun in his prime we could get 2 very high picks in return. We are at an advantage in that we have depth, that although isnt AA quality atm, our B22 is versatile and could potentially cover his loss overall. Or a Birchall, or a Lewis for example. Its a bold play and will never be popular because wed lose a champion 3 or 4x Premiership player.

But it would certainly bring us less long term pain once this current ride is over.

For what its worth, I think Breust was carrying a leg (knee?) issue for most of the year. Still a remarkable player IMO. Consistent and exciting but thats beside the point.

Being so successful is supposed to make longevity tricky and these types of ideas bold albeit generally less than popular.

 

[PhatHQ]

Well you can always report me but I think it's a worthwhile conversation.

I don't think Breust had a great season. His first final against the eagles was woeful. Even worse and one thing I cannot stand seeing from a Hawthorn footballer is that he squibbed a contest. Admittedly, he redeemed himself in the later finals; I think it was 6 in the Adelaide final and even though I don't think he kicked a goal in the GF he did some useful things.

In my opinion, though he has already peaked. The problem I have with Breust is that he isn't a natural footballer. Sees the football in the forward line and runs straight at it, at times you need to hold back and let the player running onto the ball who is heading towards the goals that opportunity. Look at the GF, Hawthorn's first goal in the third quarter kicked ultimately by Schoenmakers, Breust almost knocks Rioli over when before he centres that ball, he has little awareness about creating space in the forward line. As a forward he suffers from being robotic which is not a good thing as a small forward needs a big bag of tricks to beat their opponent.

Breust is a seagull and gets a lot of goals from stoppages and from being fed by the accurate disposal into Hawthorn's forward line. I think it is a skillset that can be replaced. Trading Breust and possibly a third round draft pick in exchange for two top ten draft picks in the 2016 draft plus possibly a fringe player that GWS will let go, works well for both clubs. Hawthorn gets an opportunity of re-building their midfield and GWS gets a local premiership player they want and points towards picking up academy players.

One thing you can be sure of next season is that the opposition is going to adopt a lot more of Hardwick’s tactics to beat Hawthorn. They are not going to zone or allow the uncontested marks which cut up Adelaide, Fremantle and West Coast in the finals. They are going to go man on man a lot more which means the disposal into Hawthorn’s forward line will not be on a platter.

Hawthorn is going to require footballers that are able to beat their direct opponent. I don’t think a player that won’t back himself to mark the ball out in front and consistently tries to take it in his chest thus allowing his opponent a spoil opportunity cuts it under these changed circumstances i.e. watch the Fremantle and eagles finals. Anderson is a natural footballer, creative who I have no doubt would work beautifully in tandem with Rioli. Anderson can beat a direct opponent, blokes like O’Brien and Sicily can win contested marks.

If these blokes don’t get opportunities they will all look to move on for more opportunities. Trading Breust is the best way I can see for re-building, by getting access to the top end in a strong draft or possibly to make a play for an O’Meara when he comes out of contract at the end of next season.

I'd give up Breaust for a Prestia or Jäger bomb. You have to give up something to get something.

 

[gohawks4]

I don't see why Breaust won't be pushing up more into the midfield as required next year. Has all the tools.

 

[Mitchell54]

What deals would be realistic, if we packaged up Anderson and O'brien to Adelaide, with some swapped picks?

I know that Adelaide were into TOB in a big way before we snagged him after their draft ban.

Is there a win-win?

Any thoughts my good folk?

our picks(38 & 39) + TOB for Adelaides pick 28 and 32
Is that fair?
Sorry about the hypotheticals.

 

[Mitchell54]

I'd give up Breaust for a Prestia or Jäger bomb. You have to give up something to get something.

Can we CARD the next person that suggests trading Bruest

 

[Ram-Man]

 

[Davo23]

Whilst I dont agree with your assessment of Breust, I understand where you are coming from. If we did shift a gun in his prime we could get 2 very high picks in return. We are at an advantage in that we have depth, that although isnt AA quality atm, our B22 is versatile and could potentially cover his loss overall. Or a Birchall, or a Lewis for example. Its a bold play and will never be popular because wed lose a champion 3 or 4x Premiership player.

But it would certainly bring us less long term pain once this current ride is over.

For what its worth, I think Breust was carrying a leg (knee?) issue for most of the year. Still a remarkable player IMO. Consistent and exciting but thats beside the point.

Being so successful is supposed to make longevity tricky and these types of ideas bold albeit generally less than popular.

I often read posts which say "you have to give up quality to get quality", but it never happens, does it?
Clubs don't just offer to trade a top player, Hawthorn certainly doesn't.
It doesn't happen unless the player wants out.

And trading for draft picks? The stats show that one third of No 1 draft picks play less than 100 games: that says it all.

 

[Noneedforaname]

I often read posts which say "you have to give up quality to get quality", but it never happens, does it?
Clubs don't just offer to trade a top player, Hawthorn certainly doesn't.
It doesn't happen unless the player wants out.

And trading for draft picks? The stats show that one third of No 1 draft picks play less than 100 games: that says it all.

Croady says hello.

Top player is debatable. Anyhow, it would be ancient history if the legacy of that deal wasn't still getting a kick.

 

[JoeHawk]

Well you can always report me but I think it's a worthwhile conversation.

I don't think Breust had a great season. His first final against the eagles was woeful. Even worse and one thing I cannot stand seeing from a Hawthorn footballer is that he squibbed a contest. Admittedly, he redeemed himself in the later finals; I think it was 6 in the Adelaide final and even though I don't think he kicked a goal in the GF he did some useful things.

In my opinion, though he has already peaked. The problem I have with Breust is that he isn't a natural footballer. Sees the football in the forward line and runs straight at it, at times you need to hold back and let the player running onto the ball who is heading towards the goals that opportunity. Look at the GF, Hawthorn's first goal in the third quarter kicked ultimately by Schoenmakers, Breust almost knocks Rioli over when before he centres that ball, he has little awareness about creating space in the forward line. As a forward he suffers from being robotic which is not a good thing as a small forward needs a big bag of tricks to beat their opponent.

Breust is a seagull and gets a lot of goals from stoppages and from being fed by the accurate disposal into Hawthorn's forward line. I think it is a skillset that can be replaced. Trading Breust and possibly a third round draft pick in exchange for two top ten draft picks in the 2016 draft plus possibly a fringe player that GWS will let go, works well for both clubs. Hawthorn gets an opportunity of re-building their midfield and GWS gets a local premiership player they want and points towards picking up academy players.

One thing you can be sure of next season is that the opposition is going to adopt a lot more of Hardwick’s tactics to beat Hawthorn. They are not going to zone or allow the uncontested marks which cut up Adelaide, Fremantle and West Coast in the finals. They are going to go man on man a lot more which means the disposal into Hawthorn’s forward line will not be on a platter.

Hawthorn is going to require footballers that are able to beat their direct opponent. I don’t think a player that won’t back himself to mark the ball out in front and consistently tries to take it in his chest thus allowing his opponent a spoil opportunity cuts it under these changed circumstances i.e. watch the Fremantle and eagles finals. Anderson is a natural footballer, creative who I have no doubt would work beautifully in tandem with Rioli. Anderson can beat a direct opponent, blokes like O’Brien and Sicily can win contested marks.

If these blokes don’t get opportunities they will all look to move on for more opportunities. Trading Breust is the best way I can see for re-building, by getting access to the top end in a strong draft or possibly to make a play for an O’Meara when he comes out of contract at the end of next season.

Any chance BF could introduce a DISAGREE tab?

I echo the thoughts of PenAndPaperJosh posted earlier.

 

[halfback dasher]

Gee , Yarran to Tigers taking its time.

 

[Big A]

Gee , Yarran to Tigers taking its time.

Why, what's the concern hbd? You thinking there's something in it for us once this happens like Jed to the blues?

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[Davo23]

Croady says hello.

Top player is debatable. Anyhow, it would be ancient history if the legacy of that deal wasn't still getting a kick.

Croady may say hello but he wasn't a top player.

And Freo didn't know that!