2015 Wooden Spoon Predictions

[ommot]

The crows escape a lot of scrutiny purely because of the interstate factor.

They are just as toxic as the bulldogs are made out to be. CEO forced out in disgrace, boy's club gets coach sacked, star players in the prime of their careers not committing. Mark Neeld style coaching appointment, captain replaced etc

Agreed, we've had a terrible off season in that sense (depending who you ask). Trigg wasn't forced out though, he took on the same role at Carlton. He should have been sacked with the Tippettgate stuff!

Interested to see how we bounce back, as well as Bulldogs from their respective of seasons.

 

[mattymac]

I'm going to throw Adelaide in amongst the contenders....hearing some strange things about the Crows this week....

I'm beginning to wonder if Philip Walsh will ever coach a game for premiership points?

disconcerting

haha

 

[Asgardian]

gillo94 You made the following comment

I agree, Blues defense is better but what seperates us from them is the midfield. Other than Jones and Tyson, MFC don't have great deal of anything their, least Blues have Murph, Gibbs, Judd, Yarran, Daisy and Kreuzer tapping the ball to them & want to add guys like Buckley, Cripps, Holman & Graham coming through

Hence your inference is that the Carlton midfield's quality is predicated on the quality of Kreuzer's ruck work

To burst that bubble I said the following

Kreuzer is really not a very good ruckman

This opinion is backed up with facts, go to Footywire and see for yourself. All of Sam Jacobs, Matthew Leuenberger, Brodie Grundy, Tom Bellchambers, Jonathan Giles, Aaron Sandilands, Shane Mumford, Hamish McIntosh, Tom Nicholls, Zac Smith, Mark Jamar, Todd Goldstein, Matthew Lobbe, Ivan Maric, Billy Longer, Mike Pyke, Nicholas Naitanui & Will Minson are better performed than Kreuzer.

So you ask

What do you want to here?
Been unlucky with injury so staying positive can have good pre season and solid year back

I assume you mean "hear"

From you nothing.

I'd prefer you to check stuff out for yourself rather than make unfounded comments like

Kreuzer tapping the ball to them

Because Kreuzer will not be giving your mids an armchair ride ... in fact your mids will have to poach because of a losing ruck.

Yep, and his great strength (mobility) is probably ruined due to injuries. Would take him last out of him, Bellchambers and McEvoy right now (same draft year).

There's about 20 ruckmen I'd take before Kreuzer

What does it matter when he's having a genuine opinion?

Plus I've backed it up with facts

Read the entire comment first, the port supporter said Kreuzer is no good, does he want me to get into a debate over a stupid, meaningless comment? Not guna happen

a stupid, meaningless comment?????????????

How can it be "a stupid, meaningless comment" when I've done the research and backed it up with facts that are available for all to see, if they are not too lazy like yourself.

Kreuzer, though injuries have played a part, has been average even when playing.

Average is perhaps a bit too generous.

Atm I see Jacobs, Sandilands, Mumford, Nic Nat as the top rucks.

There are about 20 ruckmen better than him

 

[gillo94]

@"gillo94 You made the following comment



Hence your inference is that the Carlton midfield's quality is predicated on the quality of Kreuzer's ruck work

To burst that bubble I said the following



This opinion is backed up with facts, go to Footywire and see for yourself. All of Sam Jacobs, Matthew Leuenberger, Brodie Grundy, Tom Bellchambers, Jonathan Giles, Aaron Sandilands, Shane Mumford, Hamish McIntosh, Tom Nicholls, Zac Smith, Mark Jamar, Todd Goldstein, Matthew Lobbe, Ivan Maric, Billy Longer, Mike Pyke, Nicholas Naitanui & Will Minson are better performed than Kreuzer.

So you ask



I assume you mean "hear"

From you nothing.

I'd prefer you to check stuff out for yourself rather than make unfounded comments like



Because Kreuzer will not be giving your mids an armchair ride ... in fact your mids will have to poach because of a losing ruck.



There's about 20 ruckmen I'd take before Kreuzer



Plus I've backed it up with facts



a stupid, meaningless comment?????????????

How can it be "a stupid, meaningless comment" when I've done the research and backed it up with facts that are available for all to see, if they are not too lazy like yourself.



Average is perhaps a bit too generous.



There are about 20 ruckmen better than him

Fair enough

 

[Dancing Dougy]

We've got a really impressive bunch of kids getting better and taking on more responsibility each year, but with our loss of experience, their load will be greater for longer, so I'm expecting some really good performances speckled amongst many drubbings.

Bottom 4 a certainty for us, but still easily ahead of StKilda who, except for a few good kids are just bad. Melbourne, well they just continue to impress in the ordinary stakes and Carlton I agree will be the big flops.

So:
15- Dogs
16- Dees
17- Blues
18- Saints

 

[TheRoo32]

The crows escape a lot of scrutiny purely because of the interstate factor.

They are just as toxic as the bulldogs are made out to be. CEO forced out in disgrace, boy's club gets coach sacked, star players in the prime of their careers not committing. Mark Neeld style coaching appointment, captain replaced etc

lol

 

[JackFlash]

disconcerting

haha

Well, i'm hearing all sorts of rumblings, obviously there are more than a few disgruntled Crows officials currently. The appointment of Walker as captain has left the place one straw away.....

 

[citizen-erased]

The dogs have enough upside in their midfield, and a tendency to win some surprise games, but their back and forward lines would lead me to believe they will be bottom 3.

GWS or Saints for mine.

I don't know who scores the Giants' goals to win enough.
I like Tomlinson, Cameron and Patton as a forward combo, but missing Patton will put too much on the other two. Its a shame Ryder didn't go to the Giants, because I think he would have made a massive difference.
The Giants' midfield is probably good enough to see them snag a few wins. Their maturity on the road and to stem the big losses (e.g Eagles/Tigers last year) will be crucial in staying off the bottom

Saints - Showed plenty last year in the early rounds to suggest they weren't as bad as I thought (I had them as spoon favourites and was seasoning my hat in those early rounds). Tapering off saved me an unsavoury culinary experience, and it's something that leads me to think they will finish last again. Not the worst thing in a rebuild

RE: EFC. Who knows how this ASADA thing plays out. Its swung from extremes over the last two years and I continue to reserve my opinion until it all plays out.
Even with the bans, I think the list is strong enough to avoid the spoon, depending on how we are allowed to address 20+ senior list players not eligible for selection.

MFC certainly have the makings of a team ready to move up the ladder. Attitude in a lot of players would need to change.

 

[ManOfClay]

lol

I'm sorry, what's so funny?

 

[i am a logo]

The crows escape a lot of scrutiny purely because of the interstate factor.

They are just as toxic as the bulldogs are made out to be. CEO forced out in disgrace, boy's club gets coach sacked, star players in the prime of their careers not committing. Mark Neeld style coaching appointment, captain replaced etc

So do the Bulldogs since they're a tiny club based in an Australian Rules heartland 10 team state. Oh and last time i checked the Crows were still financial powerhouses (obviously the mediocre on-field results mean they aren't making as much green as they potentially could be), which is less than can be said for your team currently.

 

[ManOfClay]

So do the Bulldogs since they're a tiny club based in an Australian Rules heartland 10 team state. Oh and last time i checked the Crows were still financial powerhouses (obviously the mediocre on-field results mean they aren't making as much green as they potentially could be), which is less than can be said for your team currently.

Do we escape a lot of scrutiny though? Seems we've copped a lot for Griffen leaving, the Boyd contract, McCartney "resigning" and now Garlick resigning. . People are happy to label our culture bad though and ignore the fact a very similar saga is playing out at Adelaide. The main difference being is this is all happening for us as we try to rebuild, meanwhile Crows were a top four side is hampering them.

The Crows have their "financial powerhouse" status but at the same time we also made a profit last year while significantly increasing FD spending and having a fair outlay on setting up our own VFL side out of Whitten Oval. But I'll keep your point in mind for when they start handing out financial premierships.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Well, i'm hearing all sorts of rumblings, obviously there are more than a few disgruntled Crows officials currently. The appointment of Walker as captain has left the place one straw away.....

You'll have to try better than that. Walker's appointment was very popular to all except the man he replaced. But I guess living in Geelong you'd know more than me.

 

[Tex200]

Well, i'm hearing all sorts of rumblings, obviously there are more than a few disgruntled Crows officials currently. The appointment of Walker as captain has left the place one straw away.....

You need to get past your mate's sacking - it's unhealthy for you.

 

[Blacky]

gillo94 You made the following comment



Hence your inference is that the Carlton midfield's quality is predicated on the quality of Kreuzer's ruck work

I think you mean his implication. You are the one that is inferring something based on this implication.

 

[Iron]

Well, i'm hearing all sorts of rumblings, obviously there are more than a few disgruntled Crows officials currently. The appointment of Walker as captain has left the place one straw away.....

You're not getting Danger.

 

[mattymac]

Well, i'm hearing all sorts of rumblings, obviously there are more than a few disgruntled Crows officials currently. The appointment of Walker as captain has left the place one straw away.....

name names or gtfo

 

[gillo94]

You're not getting Danger.

Do you think Danger will def be staying at Crows?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Do you think Danger will def be staying at Crows?

Crows/pies/Hawks/cats

Likelihood in that order.

 

[gillo94]

Crows/pies/Hawks/cats

Likelihood in that order.

Didnt know Pies in the race to get him. Hope Danger doesn't leave but if does Crows get decent compo out of him

Beams, Dangerfield, Aish trade proposal would made more sense right about now

 

[Suma Magic]

I think whoever takes the spoon, there isa good chance they will be the best team to finish last in a long time.

Unless Essendon get the spoon, in which case they may be diabolical.

 

[Asgardian]

I think you mean his implication. You are the one that is inferring something based on this implication.

inference

: the act or process of reaching a conclusion about something from known facts or evidence

: a conclusion or opinion that is formed because of known facts or evidence

He's making a conclusion about Carlton midfield's quality based on what he believes are facts

 

[Blacky]

Wrong.

"I agree, Blues defense is better but what seperates us from them is the midfield. Other than Jones and Tyson, MFC don't have great deal of anything their, least Blues have Murph, Gibbs, Judd, Yarran, Daisy and Kreuzer tapping the ball to them & want to add guys like Buckley, Cripps, Holman & Graham coming through"

"Hence your inference is that the Carlton midfield's quality is predicated on the quality of Kreuzer's ruck work"

Where does he explicitly say this? You can't tell someone what they are inferring unless it is explicitly said. ie if his conclusion was that Carlton's midfield success is "predicated" on Kreuzer's tap work. By joining those dots YOU are inferring something based on what you think he said the "implication"

Inference - the act or process of reaching a conclusion about something from known facts or evidence

He didn't state that as a conclusion at all. You're inferring that he did

 

[Asgardian]

I agree, Blues defense is better but what seperates us from them is the midfield. Other than Jones and Tyson, MFC don't have great deal of anything their, least Blues have Murph, Gibbs, Judd, Yarran, Daisy and Kreuzer tapping the ball to them & want to add guys like Buckley, Cripps, Holman & Graham coming through

His conclusion is reached when he says "what seperates (sic) us from them is the midfield" then he gives his reasoning, a big part of which relies on the quality of Kreuzer.

Plus is this necessary on a footy forum?

Are you a Professor of English?

 

[Blacky]

I just think if you're going to try to be a hero that you should at least get it right

 

[Asgardian]

I just think if you're going to try to be a hero that you should at least get it right

What is your malfunction?