List Mgmt. 2016 AFL Draft

[Monocle]

Would love Taranto if he slide to us.
Just with our pick of 12 i personally rate the WA boys around that selection than others available.
I dont rate Marshall.
And Scrimshaw i dont believe will develop as a mid at all and dont see the Bont comparison.English dont want as his rucking skills are shite at the moment and he is a long term prospect and would rather someone that can play now.
Shai Bolton i have watched all year and he just got better as the season went on, he fills a need but he special talent (think Rioli)
SPP i rate similar to Taranto and better than Venables.
Berry i see as a half back flanker with good leadership skills he is not a mid.
Griffin logue would be happy with if he can be developed as a mid.
Oliver Florent i rate Shai Bolton similar player with Shai being a better talent.

If you look at my comments last year i was advocating for Cockatoo, this year the WA talent is great.
Next year WA talent is non existent unless something drastic changes, i will be advocating Vic boys.

As for later round talents not wa
Haymish Brayshaw
Willem Drew
Kim Lebois

Great reply RE.
I was taking the piss and thank's for your reply , we agree on a lot of what you have said .

As far as Vic kids :
Check out Bailey Morrish ( Dandy Stingrays ) this kids my tip as this years sleeper in the draft ... he does a lot of things well , plays taller than his height and has a left foot thats rapier like. Wont go in the first three rounds but someone is going to snaffle a real gem with a late pick , the kid ticks a lot of boxes.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Just add Bailey Banfield later on and I'll be stoked.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

What would the young Rioli playing for Glenelg cost us?
Would be an instant 30 goal small forward for us.

 

[Obeanie1]

The more i think about it the more i belive that marshall could be the next butcher.

Doesn't the bio of him state technically he is a very good set shot?

"Marshall is 198cm, attacks marking contests with ferocity, kicks long and accurately and has plenty of room for development. He's raw but exciting and has a footy brain. He knows how to push an opponent under the ball, reads it well in the air and is smart around goal."

That doesn't sound like Butcher who kicks like a mule.

 

[Godfather32]

Doesn't the bio of him state technically he is a very good set shot?

"Marshall is 198cm, attacks marking contests with ferocity, kicks long and accurately and has plenty of room for development. He's raw but exciting and has a footy brain. He knows how to push an opponent under the ball, reads it well in the air and is smart around goal."

That doesn't sound like Butcher who kicks like a mule.

Aren't mules good at kicking though?

 

[Obeanie1]

Marshall for me is a pick 20 plus talent hasnt really produced much at all.
Spoke to someone today at wce who said had seen Shai Bolton and SPP at the club recently.
But more of SPP than anyone else.

Interesting. Maybe we reach a bit with our first which will be pick 14 when it finally gets used. Saints at pick 23 sound keen on SPP and in this draft the word is picks late in the first / early second round is a close bunch of talent.

I'd be happy with SPP as we seriously lack aggression and size in the middle.

Comments on here we lack KP forward depth.

1. Kennedy 196cm
2. Darling 191cm
3. Lycett ruck / forward 200cm
4. Vardy forward / ruck 198cm
5. McInness forward / ruck 197cm
6. Lamb forward / utility 194cm
7. Allen - project leading full forward 193cm
8. Waterman - draft his year, 191cm similar to Darling

Well I think we have those tall forward options pretty well covered actually.

 

[Obeanie1]

Aren't mules good at kicking though?

They kick backwards. Duh!!!!

 

[Godfather32]

They kick backwards. Duh!!!!

They're still good at kicking, Butcher just kicks like shit

 

[dajesmac]

Whilst I don't want Todd Marshall there is a need to add a young KPF soon with Lamb, McInnes and Allen likely to be gone this time next year.

 

[Godfather32]

Whilst I don't want Todd Marshall there is a need to add a young KPF soon with Lamb, McInnes and Allen likely to be gone this time next year.

Don't rate Allen?

 

[dajesmac]

Don't rate Allen?

I think he's up against it to make it. Being a pick #62 there is less patience with these types and I'd be surprised if he shows enough to be seen as worth persevering with. Hope I'm wrong though.

 

[Godfather32]

I think he's up against it to make it. Being a pick #62 there is less patience with these types and I'd be surprised if he shows enough to be seen as worth persevering with. Hope I'm wrong though.

Yeh, I haven't seen a lot of him play tbh, thought he looked ok when I did though. He might get a bit more time than a mid or flanker picked at 62 seeing as key forwards take a bit longer to develop. Has he grown as well? WAFL site lists him at 193cm now, I thought he was only 191 when we drafted him.

 

[SpaceClef]

Just add Bailey Banfield later on and I'll be stoked.

"is that drew banfields son"

 

[Keys]

Whilst I don't want Todd Marshall there is a need to add a young KPF soon with Lamb, McInnes and Allen likely to be gone this time next year.

Allen extended had his contract extended to the end of 2018 during this year

Lamb could come good nor do we know what his contract length is

That said neither of those two are genuine KPFs

 

[ArdentEagle]

From the bits and pieces I've seen of Allen, I'd persevere with him. - Nice hands.
He's got something to work with that's for sure.
From memory, didn't he only start to full concentrate on football in 2014?

I think he's draft height was 193cm, it would be interesting to see if he's grown at all. If he could squeeze out a couple of extra cms, I'd be very happy. (said my wife to me)

 

[WCE_phil]

From the bits and pieces I've seen of Allen, I'd persevere with him. - Nice hands.
He's got something to work with that's for sure.
From memory, didn't he only start to full concentrate on football in 2014?

I think he's draft height was 193cm, it would be interesting to see if he's grown at all. If he could squeeze out a couple of extra cms, I'd be very happy. (said my wife to me)

You really shouldn't be shitting on your wife mate

 

[Shmiddy15]

Just reading through some of the phantoms on the draft board, and many of them have us taking Marshall. Hope this doesn't eventuate, as I'm not convinced he's the best talent at #12

 

[KamakazeSalami]

Interesting. Maybe we reach a bit with our first which will be pick 14 when it finally gets used. Saints at pick 23 sound keen on SPP and in this draft the word is picks late in the first / early second round is a close bunch of talent.

I'd be happy with SPP as we seriously lack aggression and size in the middle.

Comments on here we lack KP forward depth.

1. Kennedy 196cm
2. Darling 191cm
3. Lycett ruck / forward 200cm
4. Vardy forward / ruck 198cm
5. McInness forward / ruck 197cm
6. Lamb forward / utility 194cm
7. Allen - project leading full forward 193cm
8. Waterman - draft his year, 191cm similar to Darling

Well I think we have those tall forward options pretty well covered actually.

I don't see our long term KPF depth as much of an issue as the short term. If JK in particular went down I think we are very vulnerable. You'd anticipate JD would fill some of that void by picking up some of the slack but after that, any of that list (and I wouldn't include Lycett, because he will, if fit, be predominantly rucking) are a bit of a pick and hope proposition.

Vardy, I think could potentially be the one to make a fist of it, his body holding up of course. But that is a big unknown, and is a pick and cross fingers option.

McInnes I think we can safely say is not up to scratch. He is on the list, but that doesn't mean he is providing much in terms of depth.

Lamb might be if he somehow managed to be one of those players that shows more at AFL than at WAFL. Again, that is more hopeful than based on anything he's shown. Additionally, it would be interesting to see how both he and Darling, who are similar types, would function together.

Allen, I honestly don't know much about but you'd think he is at least a couple of years away from having any sort of meaningful impact, given he has not been mentioned whatsoever as being in the mix thus far.

Waterman is not even on the list yet and if we do take him, again we are not likely to see much of him this year, and again he seems more in the JD, Lamb mould so is not quite what we would need if JK went down.

The more I think about it, the more Vardy seems to be an absolute key trade for us. If his body can hold up and has turned the corner, he really does provide us some real depth and flexibility in the fwd and ruck positions, not just this year but for the next 3 or 4, allowing us a bit more time to unearth our next KPF.

I'm not a religious man, but if any of you are, I'd suggest you make some sort of sacrifice to your chosen deity to bestow on him an injury free run at it. Could save our arse in more than a few ways.

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[Obeanie1]

I think he's up against it to make it. Being a pick #62 there is less patience with these types and I'd be surprised if he shows enough to be seen as worth persevering with. Hope I'm wrong though.

Have you seen him play for East Perth?

He played state cricket and only switched to AFL later on. Looked like a good size, lead and accurate kick when drafted. If anything I expect the club to be more patient with ALlen because he is a KP forward and they take time. It will depend on the attitude he has displayed and if he is still improving.

 

[SpaceClef]

He'll be persevered with as long as Mcinness has been

 

[Obeanie1]

I don't see our long term KPF depth as much of an issue as the short term. If JK in particular went down I think we are very vulnerable. You'd anticipate JD would fill some of that void by picking up some of the slack but after that, any of that list (and I wouldn't include Lycett, because he will, if fit, be predominantly rucking) are a bit of a pick and hope proposition.

Vardy, I think could potentially be the one to make a fist of it, his body holding up of course. But that is a big unknown, and is a pick and cross fingers option.

McInnes I think we can safely say is not up to scratch. He is on the list, but that doesn't mean he is providing much in terms of depth.

Lamb might be if he somehow managed to be one of those players that shows more at AFL than at WAFL. Again, that is more hopeful than based on anything he's shown. Additionally, it would be interesting to see how both he and Darling, who are similar types, would function together.

Allen, I honestly don't know much about but you'd think he is at least a couple of years away from having any sort of meaningful impact, given he has not been mentioned whatsoever as being in the mix thus far.

Waterman is not even on the list yet and if we do take him, again we are not likely to see much of him this year, and again he seems more in the JD, Lamb mould so is not quite what we would need if JK went down.

The more I think about it, the more Vardy seems to be an absolute key trade for us. If his body can hold up and has turned the corner, he really does provide us some real depth and flexibility in the fwd and ruck positions, not just this year but for the next 3 or 4, allowing us a bit more time to unearth our next KPF.

I'm not a religious man, but if any of you are, I'd suggest you make some sort of sacrifice to your chosen deity to bestow on him an injury free run at it. Could save our arse in more than a few ways.

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If Kennedy or JD went down no draftee will fix that, they are too young. Vardy and McInness are insurance for 2017 injuries followed by Lamb.

People on here under rate McInness and his value IMO. I rate him similar to Hansen back in the 2000 > 2006 era, he's no star but pretty solid. The reason why McInness hasn't "come on" is because we have been blessed with Kennedy and Darling and few injuries. When Jack was injured for the first 8 rounds in 2015 McInness came in and offered good support for his age.

Lamb yes has shown little but if he got an opportunity it would be very interesting to see what he could provide.

Allen is the definition of project KP forward.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I don't want Marshall at 12 simply because he isn't the best player at that point in the draft and he isn't even close to being best available.
If we are "hell bent" of picking a KPF at that juncture in the draft I would rate Battle as a safer pick, things happen when Battle is around the ball, having said that I rate Battle in the 22-28 range and I rate him higher than Marshall.

There will be some quality available with our first pick and I agree with Keyser Soze ..... take best available.

At the U18 Vic Coutry v WA game, I sat in the box behind the Collingwood recruitment team. From memory it was Q2 and Battle made a goal from nothing (I think it was his second) and looked very silky. One of the Collingwood team commented to Derek Hine saying "What did I tell you" straight after the goal and Derek smiled back, nodded in acknowledgement and wrote something down.

I sense that Battle is undersized and more third tall but delivers. He may be more the Stringer that is a bit elusive. That said, I do not want him at 12.

 

[Godfather32]

If Kennedy or JD went down no draftee will fix that, they are too young. Vardy and McInness are insurance for 2017 injuries followed by Lamb.

People on here under rate McInness and his value IMO. I rate him similar to Hansen back in the 2000 > 2006 era, he's no star but pretty solid. The reason why McInness hasn't "come on" is because we have been blessed with Kennedy and Darling and few injuries. When Jack was injured for the first 8 rounds in 2015 McInness came in and offered good support for his age.

Lamb yes has shown little but if he got an opportunity it would be very interesting to see what he could provide.

Allen is the definition of project KP forward.

Hansen was 100 times the player McInnes is, unless you're comparing their turning circle in which case a house would beat out Ash.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Berry i see as a half back flanker with good leadership skills he is not a mid.

I see Berry as more as a midfielder than a HBF. Yes he played HBF in the 2015 carnival but in TAC he has played midfield and has shown great breakaway ability from stoppage skills. He has decent pace plus ability to dodge and weave in traffic. The knock on him has been he is not seen as clean but there again Dangerfield and Fyfe have developed great breakaway from stoppages and are not clean by foot. Comes with the pressure and the speed of hitting the contest.

Would love him at 12 to join Shuey roving to NN. That said, there is a lot to like at 12 and I expect to like our selection. I get the like for WA talent Bolton, Shaker, Logue and English. I expect clubs using their full time allotment on draft day as decisions will not be simple and the board is going to be fluid.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Whilst I don't want Todd Marshall there is a need to add a young KPF soon with Lamb, McInnes and Allen likely to be gone this time next year.

I recall Allen signing a 1 year extension so will be with us minimum to end 2018.