List Mgmt. 2016 Trade & Free Agency Discussion Thread [v. 1.0]

[King Corey]

Hawthorn FA/Trading Duds since 2011:

Jarrad Boumann (2011 Trade - GWS - 2 games)
Jonathon Simpkin (2012 FA - Geelong - 33 games in three years)
Matt Spangher (2012 Trade - Sydney - 24 games in four years)
Jonathon O'Rourke (2014 Trade - GWS - 9 games in two years)
Jack Fitzpatrick (2015 Trade - Melbourne - 1 game)


For comparisons sake, the good ones:
Jack Gunston (2011 Trade)
Brian Lake (2012 Trade)
Ben McEvoy (2013 Trade)
James Frawley (2014 FA)

Note this doesn't include anyone they picked up in a draft, anyone they drafted using a pick they traded in, or any assessment of the cost of these trades.

If you get a premiership out of a guy it's worth it.

If Waite got us a flag from 30 games it's no different to Simpkin or Spangher for them. They played roles in a flag side.

 

[Passmore]

Have heard Dan Nielson has been given the tap on the shoulder and told " We've done the right thing by you, now its time for you to step up"

Makes me question the Brown thing.

Good.

We've got, what, 10 kids from the last two drafts including rookies? It's time to find out what they're about. If we are fair dinkum about a "reset" or whatever you want to call it, we'd be better off throwing them in rather than wasting time on broken down 28 yo's or has beens.

 

[King Corey]

First 2 have been important in 2xGFs
Last one got the Hawks the double chance for this years finals and goes in as No 2 Ruck

Didn't see this when I posted above. Totally agree.

 

[Roo Beauty]

We should be all over Marchbank.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

If the club is true to their word on a RESET that is what should be happening. Not recruiting 27-28 year olds like Mayne and Brown, although I am not against the Brown idea. Mayne can get as far away as possible

What if bringing in a 27 year Brown for nothing allows us to trade a Hansen or a Thomson for a 2nd round pick.

This way we are still leaving a spot in the team for a EVW or a Neilson and picking up a youngster in the draft.

 

[tazaa]

Can we discuss our recruitment strategy the past 8 years.

From the 2009 draft right through to the 2012 draft, the club didn't use trades to build the list. Strictly 18 yo's only.

In 2013 the club decided that going to the draft wasn't working and we started using list spots on free agents aswell as 2014 and 15. We aggressively targeted mature players Dal Santo, Waite and Higgins along with top up players like Nahas and Ray and Tippet to fill a void.

Now in 2016 we are effectively going back to the draft once more. Basically what didn't work from 2009-12? Am I wrong?

You can say there is no shame in coming up short with the strategy the club took and that we did our best. I'm not against trying our luck once more but should the same people be gifted with the responsibility of resetting the list when they didn't succeed last time? Our track record isn't anywhere near good enough considering 0 top four finishes.

 

[The Nostradamus]

The Greater Western Sydney GIANTS today confirmed that Caleb Marchbank has requested a trade at the end of the season.

The GIANTS will now endeavour to complete a trade that is beneficial to the club. The club wishes Caleb all the best for the future.

Marchbank would be high on my wishlist

BFNAAK too

 

[Uber poster]

Lennon has been in the system for 3 years and has has shown absolutely nothing.

Wouldn't be the first late bloomer.

Highly rated youngster that had a bad run with glandular fever, hip surgery, and shoulder surgery.

What would you accept if daw wanted to leave?

 

[royalblue92]

Showing interest in 26 year old plus players who have been around long enough to be decent at the game is just starting to seem like safe list management from Joyce for a team who doesn't want to bottom out.

 

[Passmore]

Wouldn't be the first late bloomer.

Highly rated youngster that had a bad run with glandular fever, hip surgery, and shoulder surgery.

What would you accept if daw wanted to leave?

He wouldn't be the first highly rated youngster to be a complete bust either.

To be honest I haven't given the scenario any thought at all as I don't see that he will leave.

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[king rising]

I despise the media at the moment. every time so far this past couple of weeks players such as Prestia, O'meara, Lennon, Marhcbank, Steele etc. have signalled there intentions to leave current clubs, the article ALWAYS throws in the generic 'Essendon, Carlton, St.Kilda, Collingwood,Hawthorn are all believed to be courting him heavily' never do we ever get linked with a young player who's requested a trade its always the old washed up hack like Brown, Cloke, Mayne etc. its asthough the media are making implied assumptions that North only pick up recycled finished battlers or veterans and have a strictly no getting youth policy, OR our list management is infact cooked and we actually aren't looking at these players.

 

[Nutjob]

Can we discuss our recruitment strategy the past 8 years.

From the 2009 draft right through to the 2012 draft, the club didn't use trades to build the list. Strictly 18 yo's only.

In 2013 the club decided that going to the draft wasn't working and we started using list spots on free agents aswell as 2014 and 15. We aggressively targeted mature players Dal Santo, Waite and Higgins along with top up players like Nahas and Ray and Tippet to fill a void.

Now in 2016 we are effectively going back to the draft once more. Basically what didn't work from 2009-12? Am I wrong?

You can say there is no shame in coming up short with the strategy the club took and that we did our best. I'm not against trying our luck once more but should the same people be gifted with the responsibility of resetting the list when they didn't succeed last time? Our track record isn't anywhere near good enough considering 0 top four finishes.

We have gone to the draft with 1st, 2nd and 3rd picks every year since Scott arrived.
Going after a free agent once a year doesn't mean you can't also attack the draft.


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[giantroo]

The Greater Western Sydney GIANTS today confirmed that Caleb Marchbank has requested a trade at the end of the season.

The GIANTS will now endeavour to complete a trade that is beneficial to the club. The club wishes Caleb all the best for the future.

 

[Deadeyeroo]

You're bangin on about not getting injury prone players, yet half the players on your list are injury prone.




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What are you on about? Your showing just how much you even follow football. I count maybe 4 or 5, 6 max who have had injuries this year so thats 1/4 or 25% if your not good with percentages who've had injuries this year.

Would love to see 23 players who you think we should have a crack at?

While I'm at it, why recruit 27 year olds who have missed half their career through injury when the club has clearly said we need to build for the future. The club should recruit for the next 10 years not 3 or 4.

 

[Deadeyeroo]

No doubt. I reckon they'd take a third or even fourth rounder for him meaning potentially a straight swap for Black would be feasible.

Not that I think he's what we need or want mind.

Freo would probably go for that, Blacky certainly would.

 

[Deadeyeroo]

No freaking way!!! We have put years of hard work and development into Maj... Lennon couldn't break into the shitfull Tiges. No thanks.

No offense but why are you into keeping rejects?

 

[Deadeyeroo]

Stewart is extremely promising. Would be a good get.

Good call. Has shown a bit and wouldnt cost a lot.

 

[nicko74]

What if bringing in a 27 year Brown for nothing allows us to trade a Hansen or a Thomson for a 2nd round pick.

This way we are still leaving a spot in the team for a EVW or a Neilson and picking up a youngster in the draft.

Fair point. I am all for that

 

[Deadeyeroo]

It seems like the reset decision came out of the club meeting a week ago and seems a sudden and dramatic shift in strategy. So I wouldn't be surprised if all the chatter about North's interest in Cloke, Mayne, Barlow and co. was on the back of earlier chats with player managers and the speculation about North's trade/FA interests are already well out of date.

I'm also of the belief that the club wouldn't have given the 4 musketeers their marching orders if they didn't believe our kids were up to it. The decision suggests more about giving the opportunities to the kids rather than making room for trades.

The bigger questions for me are regarding the futures of Wells, Waite, Daw, Hansen, and Black and whether any of our underperforming 100+ gamers (Ats, Thommo, etc) will find themselves on the trade table. I suspect there will be much more action at the Exit door than the Entrance door in the coming month. A club reset, a good bunch of untested kids, a quality draft, a limited FA list, North's lack of trade currency, and a mass club-driven exodus suggests the focus will be on getting draft picks rather than trading in players or grabbing free agents. The only logical trade/FA strategy should be for a young top liner or to fill a serious gap (i.e. Brown to replace Spud and Tippett as KPD).

Not sure this is true. Brad has already said we'll still be active in the trade/ free agency market. Would be hypocritical to bring in anymore than one 27 year old + though.

 

[Deadeyeroo]

What if bringing in a 27 year Brown for nothing allows us to trade a Hansen or a Thomson for a 2nd round pick.

This way we are still leaving a spot in the team for a EVW or a Neilson and picking up a youngster in the draft.

Hansons not worth a 2nd rounder, however I think Thompson is worth an early one if not a late 1st rounder. If Anderson worth pick 15 well....

 

[jclei]

Not sure if posted earlier

http://www.watoday.com.au/afl/frema...m-up-to-four-rival-clubs-20160828-gr2xvy.html

 

[Deadeyeroo]

Not sure if posted earlier

http://www.watoday.com.au/afl/frema...m-up-to-four-rival-clubs-20160828-gr2xvy.html

Thats gotta crap. More likely his manager trying to blow his price up. He's lucky not to be delisted.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Not sure if posted earlier

http://www.watoday.com.au/afl/frema...m-up-to-four-rival-clubs-20160828-gr2xvy.html

Saints interest maybe because of Membrey still being unsigned.

Pies won't sniff at a free forward option and neither will the Tigers with Vickery practically gone and no draft picks at this stage until the third round.

We might be in the clear here.

 

[Black2Blue]

Not sure this is true. Brad has already said we'll still be active in the trade/ free agency market. Would be hypocritical to bring in anymore than one 27 year old + though.

Don't disagree with you, I just don't see what we have to be active with, especially if we are chasing quality youngsters. The club hasn't given up its first round pick in around a decade and would be loathed to do that in a strong draft. And not sure which players we would be willing to part with who have some value.

 

[Phillyroo]

No offense but why are you into keeping rejects?

No offence, but why do you sleep with the light on?