Review 2017 AFL National Draft - Friday 24th November

[wazza03]

Very good chance . He is a blues fan also.

That would be the best case scenario for us.
1. LDU 2. Dow 3. Cerra 4. Rayner
Would love for Dow to drop to 4 but that would only be a slight chance.
I’ve read a lot experts claiming that Cerra is the best pure midfielder in this years draft, so if he enters the top 4 we’ll end up with a good player regardless.
It would also mean that we don’t take Stephenson, I’m also not sold on him.


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[LB2Snake]

Apologies if this has been posted already, but this is the guy I want at pick 4:

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AIDEN Bonar is shaping as one of the most intriguing prospects in this year's NAB AFL Draft after returning from two knee reconstructions to highlight his talent in recent weeks.

The Dandenong Stingrays product first went under the knife when he injured the knee in the lead-up to Vic Country's under-16 championships in 2015.

He returned from the long rehabilitation to play at school level for Haileybury College last year before suffering another torn anterior cruciate ligament.

The setback has made Bonar perhaps this year's biggest draft enigma, but his form since returning to the Stingrays has impressed recruiters and last weekend he gathered 18 disposals, seven marks and kicked two goals.

Stingrays talent manager Mark Wheeler said Bonar loomed as a very early pick before the first surgery, which didn't work as well as hoped.

"The feedback then was that it wasn't necessarily a second ACL, it was just that the first operation didn't take properly. Technically he's had two, but the first one the graft didn't take and just let go," Wheeler said.

"We took a bit longer than it could and he was ready to play about a month before we unleashed him, but we were really keen to build him up. He trains the house down, and he does stuff that he shouldn't be able to do at 190cm. He's AFL ready already."

Bonar presents as a difficult player for clubs to rank given his injury history, but he has appeared to retain his athleticism despite the knee issues.

He has enough recruiters interested to have been invited to test at the NAB AFL Draft Combine at Etihad Stadium in October alongside Stingrays teammates Luke Davies-Uniacke, Hunter Clark, Oscar Clavarino and Tom De Koning.

"If it was all fair and equal and this boy never had the injuries he's had, then I think his name would be touted as a potential No.1 draft pick," Wheeler said.

"Clubs have been interested in him for six months, and about three months ago the hype started to grow. I have more conversations about him than anyone else. Our big focus has been to make sure he's ready to go for an AFL pre-season, and he is."

The 18-year-old, whose mother is from Papua New Guinea and father hails from Scotland, has played mainly in attack but Wheeler said Bonar has the versatility to be used all over the ground.

"He can play anywhere, but I think he's an inside midfielder. He's a beast, he kicks it really well, he's got explosive speed still. He's a booming 60-metre kick, and he hasn't lost his vertical jump.”

"He's got an unknown factor about him."

Davies-Uniacke is in the mix to be the Stingrays' fourth No.1 pick since 2009, while fellow tough inside midfielder Clark is tipped to be a first-round selection at November's draft.

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Admittedly not at the highest level, but his size, speed, decision making and disposal all excellent in this video (look for #7):



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#14 Aiden Bonar
Inside Midfielder/General Forward (Haileybury College/Dandenong Stingrays)
08/03/1999 | 188.6cm | 86.5kg
Previous ranking: #26

Scouting notes: Build like a brick sh!thouse. After recovering from two knee surgeries after his first ACL graft didn’t take, Bonar has presence about him around the ground, mostly playing up forward as a third tall – but has pushed into the midfield for longer periods with each game he plays. His pressure is very good and he can lay bone crunching tackles. Has a good burst of speed and is strong overhead. Suggestion is he’ll end up a full time midfielder. Possesses a big upside.

Last month: Bonar had a superb month to finish 2017, and whilst his eight disposals, seven tackles and a goal performance does not scream outstanding – it was his presence up forward and through the midfield that was important, pressuring his opponents. He followed his tackling performance up the following week, with eight tackles from 14 disposals. While he played more up forward than in the midfield, some glimpses were mighty impressive. The Grand Final day performance was elite for the NAB AFL Under 18 All Stars, where he had 20 disposals (11 contested) and five clearances – showing off his potential as an inside midfielder. His testing at the NAB AFL Draft Combine was super, equalling the all-time standing vertical jump record and was second place in the 20m sprint with a time of 2.9 seconds.

can use the ball so well.

 

[Kanga1996]

He’d have to be a chance to slide because of the knees.

Based on his combine results I think we actually go up the list.

Doing 2 ACL’s isn’t as bad as its sound.

“The feedback then was that it wasn't necessarily a second ACL, it was just that the first operation didn't take properly. Technically he's had two, but the first one the graft didn't take and just let go”

Smartspeed 20-metre sprint
Jack Petruccelle 2.87 seconds
Kane Farrell 2.90
Aiden Bonar 2.90
Ben Miller 2.91
Nick Coffield 2.91
Ben Paton 2.95
Brent Daniels 2.95
Stefan Okunbar 2.95
Jaidyn Stephenson 2.95
Nicholas Shipley 2.97

Smartspeed agility test
Kane Farrell 8.10 seconds
Ben Miller 8.10
Brent Daniels 8.11
Trent Mynott 8.20
Nathan Kreuger 8.21
Aaron Naughton 8.22
Mitchell Podhajski 8.26
Oscar Allen 8.27
Stefan Okunbar 8.29
Matthew Ling 8.30
Callan England 8.30
Aiden Bonar 8.30
Andrew Brayshaw 8.30

Standing vertical jump
Aiden Bonar 89cm
Kyron Hayden 82cm
Ben Paton 80cm
Harrison Jones 79cm
Jordan Houlahan 77cm
Jordan Johnston 75cm
Jack Petruccelle 74cm
Noah Balta 74cm
Adam Sambono 73cm
Hayden McLean 73cm

 

[nicko74]

Apologies if this has been posted already, but this is the guy I want at pick 4:

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AIDEN Bonar is shaping as one of the most intriguing prospects in this year's NAB AFL Draft after returning from two knee reconstructions to highlight his talent in recent weeks.

The Dandenong Stingrays product first went under the knife when he injured the knee in the lead-up to Vic Country's under-16 championships in 2015.

He returned from the long rehabilitation to play at school level for Haileybury College last year before suffering another torn anterior cruciate ligament.

The setback has made Bonar perhaps this year's biggest draft enigma, but his form since returning to the Stingrays has impressed recruiters and last weekend he gathered 18 disposals, seven marks and kicked two goals.

Stingrays talent manager Mark Wheeler said Bonar loomed as a very early pick before the first surgery, which didn't work as well as hoped.

"The feedback then was that it wasn't necessarily a second ACL, it was just that the first operation didn't take properly. Technically he's had two, but the first one the graft didn't take and just let go," Wheeler said.

"We took a bit longer than it could and he was ready to play about a month before we unleashed him, but we were really keen to build him up. He trains the house down, and he does stuff that he shouldn't be able to do at 190cm. He's AFL ready already."

Bonar presents as a difficult player for clubs to rank given his injury history, but he has appeared to retain his athleticism despite the knee issues.

He has enough recruiters interested to have been invited to test at the NAB AFL Draft Combine at Etihad Stadium in October alongside Stingrays teammates Luke Davies-Uniacke, Hunter Clark, Oscar Clavarino and Tom De Koning.

"If it was all fair and equal and this boy never had the injuries he's had, then I think his name would be touted as a potential No.1 draft pick," Wheeler said.

"Clubs have been interested in him for six months, and about three months ago the hype started to grow. I have more conversations about him than anyone else. Our big focus has been to make sure he's ready to go for an AFL pre-season, and he is."

The 18-year-old, whose mother is from Papua New Guinea and father hails from Scotland, has played mainly in attack but Wheeler said Bonar has the versatility to be used all over the ground.

"He can play anywhere, but I think he's an inside midfielder. He's a beast, he kicks it really well, he's got explosive speed still. He's a booming 60-metre kick, and he hasn't lost his vertical jump.”

"He's got an unknown factor about him."

Davies-Uniacke is in the mix to be the Stingrays' fourth No.1 pick since 2009, while fellow tough inside midfielder Clark is tipped to be a first-round selection at November's draft.

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Admittedly not at the highest level, but his size, speed, decision making and disposal all excellent in this video (look for #7):



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#14 Aiden Bonar
Inside Midfielder/General Forward (Haileybury College/Dandenong Stingrays)
08/03/1999 | 188.6cm | 86.5kg
Previous ranking: #26

Scouting notes: Build like a brick sh!thouse. After recovering from two knee surgeries after his first ACL graft didn’t take, Bonar has presence about him around the ground, mostly playing up forward as a third tall – but has pushed into the midfield for longer periods with each game he plays. His pressure is very good and he can lay bone crunching tackles. Has a good burst of speed and is strong overhead. Suggestion is he’ll end up a full time midfielder. Possesses a big upside.

Last month: Bonar had a superb month to finish 2017, and whilst his eight disposals, seven tackles and a goal performance does not scream outstanding – it was his presence up forward and through the midfield that was important, pressuring his opponents. He followed his tackling performance up the following week, with eight tackles from 14 disposals. While he played more up forward than in the midfield, some glimpses were mighty impressive. The Grand Final day performance was elite for the NAB AFL Under 18 All Stars, where he had 20 disposals (11 contested) and five clearances – showing off his potential as an inside midfielder. His testing at the NAB AFL Draft Combine was super, equalling the all-time standing vertical jump record and was second place in the 20m sprint with a time of 2.9 seconds.

I wouldn't be against taking him at 4

 

[TwentyNine]

I'm really starting to think we should play it safe with this pick. And that doesn't have to mean one paced. Brayshaw has speed, fitness, lovely skillz, and can I assume BFNAAK?

Or we could go with Cerra. Sure he doesn't have the pace but neither do lots of gun mids.

We just can't not get a 200 game player with this pick. If you assume a bottom six finish next year, you are pretty certain to get a gun mid given the top 6 will contain a few big men. If that's a Rankine or Walsh you get plenty of outside class.

No thanks. Picking boring, safe players makes for a boring, safe team. We've tried that and it don't work.

 

[king rising]

The more i think about it, the more Adam Cerra should definitely be in consideration with pick 4. bloke is an out and out midfielder, who has clean skills and has great footy smarts and awareness. despite not being quick, i wouldnt describe him as treacle either. he is also likely to be there at our pick from all reports, would be stoked to get him

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Feel Bonar would be a huge reach at 4.

 

[king rising]

Joel big bird Garner at pick 21 also cheers nmfc

 

[Psicosis]

I've really warmed to Adam Cerra with pick 4 - he's a complete midfielder.

As midfield is our most serious issue, hard to really justify drafting anyone who isn't a genuine midfielder for mine.

 

[Passmore]

No thanks. Picking boring, safe players makes for a boring, safe team. We've tried that and it don't work.

Who are these boring, safe players we have picked early? Simpkin? Josh Williams? Mckay?Clarke? Durdin?Lmac?Atley? Harper?

If anything we need a midfielder who we can depend on to get it 25 times a game and use it well.

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[the big lebowski]

No thanks. Picking boring, safe players makes for a boring, safe team. We've tried that and it don't work.

Guns are guns though. Who would u rather, Sam Mitchell or issac smith? Pendlebury or wells? Selwood or Motlop?

Speed and xfactor are great if u have the cake to get the most out of them

 

[Harris 10]

Feel Bonar would be a huge reach at 4.

Agree.
If he's our top pick we should look to downgrade 4 and upgrade later picks.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Agree.
If he's our top pick we should look to downgrade 4 and upgrade later picks.

I don't think we can afford to fluff this selection. Go for Dow/Cerra/Brayshaw in that order.

 

[Harris 10]

I don't think we can afford to fluff this selection. Go for Dow/Cerra/Brayshaw in that order.

I'm with you, just saying if we do want Bonar(I don't) then there is no use in keeping 4.

 

[Heaps of fun]

I'm with you, just saying if we do want Bonar(I don't) then there is no use in keeping 4.

We would trade down to one of the Saints picks probably. No chance that will happen luckily. I wish we were in a position to take a punt on Stephenson, I think he has as much star potential as anyone in this draft, but at this point of our rebuild that would be extremely bold.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Guns are guns though. Who would u rather, Sam Mitchell or issac smith? Pendlebury or wells? Selwood or Motlop?

Speed and xfactor are great if u have the cake to get the most out of them

Will the club be thinking about the types of players that 2018 will hopefully land us?

Will the top 6 give us the X-factor and break-away speed we are after?

Do Crocker, Scott, TT and possibly Blakey?

If they feel that next year will be better for speed and explosiveness, why not go for a safe bet?

A question for someone who is actually in the know, does Cerra offer a big enough point of difference to Cunnington and Dumont? And will he be able to be played in the 22 come end 1 2018?

 

[the big lebowski]

Will the club be thinking about the types of players that 2018 will hopefully land us?

Will the top 6 give us the X-factor and break-away speed we are after?

Do Crocker, Scott, TT and possibly Blakey?

If they feel that next year will be better for speed and explosiveness, why not go for a safe bet?

A question for someone who is actually in the know, does Cerra offer a big enough point of difference to Cunnington and Dumont? And will he be able to be played in the 22 come end 1 2018?

I hope they are thinking about next year with regards to this year and that's partly why I think Cerra or Brayshaw are the way to go. With Rankine or Walsh being available next year at our first plus Thomas then we have some outside polish sorted

 

[ansonholt]

Feel Bonar would be a huge reach at 4.

Ultimately I agree with that, and as I was posting about him, I thought #4 would be a bit too speculative. If we do think we could or should get him rather than one of the names we expect to go in the top 4, perhaps we could trade out pick 4 plus 21 and get something around the 6-8 mark and another in the teens somewhere. Then we could maybe get a sliding pick with that 2nd one and take Bonar with the 6 -8 pick.

It's a gamble of course. I just want this guy at North.

EDIT: I've had a quick look at some pick combinations from other clubs - don't see anything obvious yet. St Kilda's 7 & 8 are worth more than our 4 and 21, as you'd expect them to be. However, if we also give them #44, then that evens the ledger. So our 4, 21 & 44 for their 6 & 7, assuming they want one of Dow/Rayner/Cerra/LDU.

DOUBLE-EDIT: If I were them, though, I'd want to keep 7&8 in this draft.

 

[Mjs94]

Ultimately I agree with that, and as I was posting about him, I thought #4 would be a bit too speculative. If we do think we could or should get him rather than one of the names we expect to go in the top 4, perhaps we could trade out pick 4 plus 21 and get something around the 6-8 mark and another in the teens somewhere. Then we could maybe get a sliding pick with that 2nd one and take Bonar with the 6 -8 pick.

It's a gamble of course. I just want this guy at North.

EDIT: I've had a quick look at some pick combinations from other clubs - don't see anything obvious yet. St Kilda's 7 & 8 are worth more than our 4 and 21, as you'd expect them to be. However, if we also give them #44, then that evens the ledger. So our 4, 21 & 44 for their 6 & 7, assuming they want one of Dow/Rayner/Cerra/LDU.

DOUBLE-EDIT: If I were them, though, I'd want to keep 7&8 in this draft.

I think they'd prefer 4 & 21 over 7 & 8. They are looking for those final outside pieces whereas we are probably looking at a more long-term rebuild. 4 gives them a chance at getting a Dow, Rayner or LDU who will all be gone by 7.

 

[Sheezel2Wardlaw]

Still think we could land Dow at 4.

Lions - LDU, best player.
Gold Coast - Rayner, already talked about the next Dusty, might draw a crowd and some excitement.
Carlton - Cerra, Endurance mid & clearance specialist to help Cripps.

 

[The Big H]

Not being a draft watcher, can someone tell me whats better our picks 4 and 22 or St Kildas 7 and 8.

 

[Sheezel2Wardlaw]

Not being a draft watcher, can someone tell me whats better our picks 4 and 22 or St Kildas 7 and 8.

In terms of what? Points? Players?

 

[BoomerRoo]

Still think we could land Dow at 4.

Lions - LDU, best player.
Gold Coast - Rayner, already talked about the next Dusty, might draw a crowd and some excitement.
Carlton - Cerra, Endurance mid & clearance specialist to help Cripps.

Not sure if it's been mentioned in an earlier post, but Pelchen mentioned on SEN this morning, that he had his top four as

1: LDU
2: Cerra
3: Rayner
4: Dow

 

[The Big H]

In terms of what? Points? Players?

both

 

[DarkPhoenix]

both

Points 7 and 8 (by about 300), player, depends what you want