2017 Best midfield and depth

[Suma Magic]

I have GWS overtaking Sydney as no1 after the Swans lost Mitchell as well as them just having greater scope for improvement anyway. I think I have the Doggies after that but then it gets tricky.

Oh and West Coast's midfield is definitely worse. Mitchell is a great player no doubt but Nic Nat simply makes their midfield unit work. Lycett and Vardy are by no means terrible, though the latter seems to have perpetual injuries, but the inferior chemistry will hamper their ability to consistently win high quality clearances and their comparative lack of physicality and aggression is another huge step down. And I'm not saying it's even bad, just that it's less good than 2016. Less gooderer.

If we got 8-10 less games from Naitanui in exchange for 20 more games from Mitchell would that still be less gooderer?

 

[boydee]

Garner is one of the few kids of ours I rate. Forget Menadue who isn't fit to carry his bags, he just hasn't had a run at it. Had a 55 Champion Data points 2nd quarter in the 2015 elimination final which was impressive.

Steven is a B+ scrubber, never been an AA, never will be, is just a step below the very best based on his ordinary disposal.

Cunnington is a class above Armitage, doesn't get the soft stats to push him into the CD elite bracket. But by any measure he is an elite inside midfielder/clearance player and one of the few players on our list who plays his best footy in finals.

Jack will be 27 by the time the season starts, given he is so reliant on his pace, 2016 might have been the very best of him.

Cunnington is 5 years younger than Armo and Ziebell is 4 years younger.

And both of them are much much better than that semi impostor.

What planet are you from? If Jack Steven is a B grade scrubber then Id rate Cunnington D grade.

 

[doppleganger]

Funny considering the roos spanked both tbose sides this year!

The Richmond spanking

Wells has 30 and kicked 3 goals
Dal Santo had 33 touches
Booma had 20 and kicked 4 goals

The 2017 North midfield has lost its three classiest attacking midfield options from the 2016 team.

On the other hand Richmond will be stronger adding Prestia and Caddy, and the Saints younsters like Ross will continue to mature.

 

[aussierulesrules]

The Richmond spanking

Wells has 30 and kicked 3 goals
Dal Santo had 33 touches
Booma had 20 and kicked 4 goals

Ouch!!

 

[Schauermann]

Both St. KIlda games were hardly spanking as well. 7 points with 5 Brownlow votes to St. Kilda and 23 points with Brownlow votes to Petrie and Wells...

 

[ArjenTheGreat]

What planet are you from? If Jack Steven is a B grade scrubber then Id rate Cunnington D grade.

And you'd be entitled to that opinion.

On last years form, I'd agree with you.

 

[ArjenTheGreat]

Ouch!!

Why ouch?

Someone had to get the ball whilst Wood, Higgins, Jacobs, McDonald, Garner, Turner & Wright were out.

I'd be more worried about how my supposed developing superteam gave up so many stats to a bunch of geriatrics and the delisted Brad McKenzie LOL who were deemed not worthy of a spot on an AFL list.

To the bloke earlier who was questioning my choice of MacMillan over Newnes, MacMillan's 31 and 1 to Newnes 13 and 0 with the season on the line is evidence enough.

Dunstan 12 & 1, nowhere.
Steven didn't have to worry about Jacobs but still was ineffectual with the season on the line.

Acres and Billings stood up, Riewoldt as always was brilliant enough, but at 40+ points down with 5 mins to go with your season on the line against team that had fallen off a cliff. Geez I dunno if I'd be as confident of firstly our demise or secondly your ascent to finals certs. And yes I know it was boomers game and we were up for it, but how much more motivation do you need than to play finals?

Just my opinion of course.

 

[Testekill]

If we got 8-10 less games from Naitanui in exchange for 20 more games from Mitchell would that still be less gooderer?

Jeez, hard to say. Natanui is an elite ruckman but Mitchell was still one of the best distributors in the AFL last year. I guess it all comes down to if Mitchell slows down this season and if any of your depth ruckmen can function as that extra midfielder when not in a ruck contest.
It's actually why I think that the Eagles should have taken English, he's a big lad but he was actually a midfielder prior to his growth spurt so he knows what he's doing when the ball is on the deck.

 

[Suma Magic]

Jeez, hard to say. Natanui is an elite ruckman but Mitchell was still one of the best distributors in the AFL last year. I guess it all comes down to if Mitchell slows down this season and if any of your depth ruckmen can function as that extra midfielder when not in a ruck contest.
It's actually why I think that the Eagles should have taken English, he's a big lad but he was actually a midfielder prior to his growth spurt so he knows what he's doing when the ball is on the deck.

I agree with your assessment. Im really not sure how we will go this year.

Not sure about English being a solution though. Don't think he would have played for us this year. Still could be a good long-term pick. Hopefully Venables' feet don't prove to be major issues.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Why ouch?

Someone had to get the ball whilst Wood, Higgins, Jacobs, McDonald, Garner, Turner & Wright were out.

Ordinarily I wouldn't respond to someone like you, who has such an unbalanced view or hatred of a club, so I won't respond to your 100th rubbishing of us for the offseason- which would just encourage you to froth at the mouth some more- but I will respond to this first part of your post, as it has nothing to do with us.

"Someone had to get the ball" while all them were out did they?

Only problem with that is that Wood, McDonald and Wright all played in that game in question against Richmond!

The next problem I see with that is that Jacobs, Garner and Turner don't really even get the ball when they do play, so I'm pretty sure the reason Wells, Boomer and Dal Santo did so well that game had little to do with them not playing.

Jacobs played 7 games this year for a grand total of 87 disposals, while Garner played the first 3, for a grand total of 32 and two goals, while Turner averages 9 disposals and less than a goal a game so far in his career.

With them all getting so little of the ball when they do play, the likes of Wells, Boomer and Dal clearly had to be the ones getting it whether they were playing or not.

I also found out today that 25yo Macmillan also only averaged 18 disposals per game this year, so if he really is a "mid", as you claim, you guys might be in even more trouble going forward than I thought. Even more when I found out that Sam Gibson will be 31yo this year! I thought he must have been about 25.

 

[Suma Magic]

 

[vozzon]

I refuse to accept a midfield consisting of a star in Martin, a star in Cotchin when up and going, close to an A grade talent in Prestia, with a solid b grader who kicks goals in caddy, a good inside mid in miles and an injury free Edwards is a bottom 6 midfield. Champion data has us 4th, id have us between 5-10. Article also doesn't even include players in there actual positions either.

I wouldn't take this article that seriously anyway. I like the look of your midfield and im sure a few of your b grade players will step up with prestia and caddy coming in. Can see miles and grigg improving to make a good midfield unit.

 

[mike123]

Funny considering the roos spanked both tbose sides this year!

Did Wells, Harvey and Dal Santo play?

 

[Dan87]

Swans have no forward flankers.

Oh dear.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

But thanks for thinking of us. Yes, a fit and firing Wingard, Gray, Monfries, Impey, Young and White, playing off Dixon and being fed by a midfield getting its fiar share of taps from Ryder/Trengove, would annihilate that defense.

Wingegard and Gray are the only forwards that worry me in a showdown. Dixon is an overpaid hack that always gets smashed by Talia; ( and then he usually chucks a tantrum!).
Regarding your MF, it had been dis-functional ever since Walsh left and I don't expect it to be any different in 2017. After the last 2 years of listening to Port supporters carry on about how they will make top 4 and then end up failing miserably, I'm surprised any PAP fan would want to fap on too much.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Vlastuin joining the midfield this year. Awesome. We have doubled the quality of our engine room since the end of last season.

Starting 3-cotchin, martin, prestia
Rotating 3-vlastuin, caddy, miles

3 quality additions. Our first 6 would be one of the best in the league now imo

McIntosh and Edwards on the wings. Neither played much last year at all. We have plenty of fire power now

 

[compact72]

Vlastuin joining the midfield this year. Awesome. We have doubled the quality of our engine room since the end of last season.

Starting 3-cotchin, martin, prestia
Rotating 3-vlastuin, caddy, miles

3 quality additions. Our first 6 would be one of the best in the league now imo

McIntosh and Edwards on the wings. Neither played much last year at all. We have plenty of fire power now

Best midfield in the league? Go home, you're drunk

 

[Lsta062]

Best midfield in the league? Go home, you're drunk

He said that Richmond's first 6 in the midfield is one of the best in the league, not that they are the best in the league. I agree with that.

Not going to say that this isn't up for debate, but certainly not an outlandish claim.

 

[raskolnikov]

Vlastuin joining the midfield this year. Awesome. We have doubled the quality of our engine room since the end of last season.

Starting 3-cotchin, martin, prestia
Rotating 3-vlastuin, caddy, miles

3 quality additions. Our first 6 would be one of the best in the league now imo

No it wouldn't.

 

[Bokonon_]

He said that Richmond's first 6 in the midfield is one of the best in the league, not that they are the best in the league. I agree with that.

Not going to say that this isn't up for debate, but certainly not an outlandish claim.

In any case I dont think backing your team us a crime. Who knows who will stand up this year.

 

[Lsta062]

In any case I dont think backing your team us a crime. Who knows who will stand up this year.

Yes, we don't know who will stand up and who won't. But I wouldn't claim that we have one of the best 6 in the forward line because there are so many teams who have better than us in that department. I think us having one of the best "first 6" midfielders is a genuine possibility though and I am interested to see the arguments for and against this.

I'd have Bulldogs, GWS, Sydney, Geelong (because of Dangerfield and Selwood) and Collingwood ahead of us. From there, I think us (along with about 6 other teams) can make the claim that they have the next best "first 6 midfielders" group.

 

[Bokonon_]

Yes, we don't know who will stand up and who won't. But I wouldn't claim that we have one of the best 6 in the forward line because there are so many teams who have better than us in that department. I think us having one of the best "first 6" midfielders is a genuine possibility though and I am interested to see the arguments for and against this.

I'd have Bulldogs, GWS, Sydney, Geelong (because of Dangerfield and Selwood) and Collingwood ahead of us. From there, I think us (along with about 6 other teams) can make the claim that they have the next best "first 6 midfielders" group.

I agree but that is only in evidence from 2016 and what we expect of this year. The Bulldogs start the year clearly on top in my view.
In general I'm for supporters backing their team, better if rubbishing everyone else's is avoided.


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[DangerIsLove]

I'd have Bulldogs, GWS, Sydney, Geelong (because of Dangerfield and Selwood) and Collingwood ahead of us. From there, I think us (along with about 6 other teams) can make the claim that they have the next best "first 6 midfielders" group.

Because of Dangerfield and Selwood
Well Scott Selwood and Joel will actually do pre season this year, Menengola was amazing in his debut season, of our second tier stand up, Guthrie, Blicavs, Duncan, Lang we have a strong midfiekd

 

[Madtiger2006]

Yes, we don't know who will stand up and who won't. But I wouldn't claim that we have one of the best 6 in the forward line because there are so many teams who have better than us in that department. I think us having one of the best "first 6" midfielders is a genuine possibility though and I am interested to see the arguments for and against this.

I'd have Bulldogs, GWS, Sydney, Geelong (because of Dangerfield and Selwood) and Collingwood ahead of us. From there, I think us (along with about 6 other teams) can make the claim that they have the next best "first 6 midfielders" group.

We have added 3 cylinders to the engine. Graham and C Ellis should be good in 12 months to give us better depth. This years draft we'll grab 2-3 of talls

 

[Madtiger2006]

Because of Dangerfield and Selwood
Well Scott Selwood and Joel will actually do pre season this year, Menengola was amazing in his debut season, of our second tier stand up, Guthrie, Blicavs, Duncan, Lang we have a strong midfiekd

You do. So do Melb and GWS. Probably top 3.