List Mgmt. 2017 Free Agency & Trading - Part 2 (Take Gibbs talk to the Gibbs thread)

[Bicks]

https://www.triplem.com.au/shows/ro...-looked-after-the-cats-there?station=adelaide

https://omny.fm/shows/roo-and-ditts-for-breakfast/damien-barrett-about-the-gary-ablett-jr-deal

Triple M’s Damian Barrett says the AFL has "looked after" the Cats with their free agency compensation for Steven Motlop, saying it helps them facilitate the Gary Ablett deal.Geelong received pick 19 for losing Motlop to Port Adelaide, which Barrett says was more that what was privately expected. He told Roo and Ditts on Tuesday morning the pick was a "bonus" from the AFL, which will help them land Ablett. "Yeah, absolutely (he’ll end up there)," he said. "The return of pick 19 or the granting of pick 19 for Geelong losing Motlop, that was the AFL saying ‘here’s a real bonus for you’, because they personally and privately thought they would only get pick 35 for Motlop. "The AFL’s looked after the Cats there…don’t for a minute think there’s a (compensation) formula, Roo. Because it allows them to go and do what they’re going to do to get Ablett in."
Mark Ricciuto wasn’t too happy to hear that.
"That is a disgrace if what you’re saying is correct," he said.
"If what you’re saying is the case, there needs to be an enquiry into that."
Barrett agreed with Roo, personally believing free agency compensation needs to go.
"There needs to be an enquiry full stop into this rubbish formula. There is no formula. It is whatever the person in charge at the AFL wants to do at the time," he said. "There is no way, on past experiences, that Motlop was worthy of what the Cats have got for him."
"That is a disgrace if what you’re saying is correct," he said.

 

[Jarman3]

Not that I'm aware of. Basically going off the fact GC are in a mini rebuild. Had the player fire sale early in trade period. Would suit Pykes want in speed in midfield. Might give them pick needed for Weller.

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I heard a rumour last week (I make no claims as to the source being particularly reliable which is why I didn't post it previously) that the Crows were interested in Trent McKenzie. He seems out of favour up there - possibly waiting to scoop him up as a delisted free agent if they cut him? Not really sure what he's got to offer apart from a big kick.

Anybody else heard anything similar?

 

[Elite Crow]

https://www.triplem.com.au/shows/ro...-looked-after-the-cats-there?station=adelaide

https://omny.fm/shows/roo-and-ditts-for-breakfast/damien-barrett-about-the-gary-ablett-jr-deal

I heard that and Barrett's whole position is based on Port not paying that level of money to Motlop based on his past performances.

But he doesn't know.

 

[Jarman3]

https://www.triplem.com.au/shows/ro...-looked-after-the-cats-there?station=adelaide

https://omny.fm/shows/roo-and-ditts-for-breakfast/damien-barrett-about-the-gary-ablett-jr-deal

Why is it so hard to believe that Port are paying Motlop enough for Geelong to get the compensation pick that they did?

That said, I do think the process needs to be made more transparent. Ie the AFL says "the club gets compensation pick X based on the fact that the player's contract of $Y per year is in the top 10%". The AFL does have the leeway to adjust the compensation pick if they think it's a materially anomalous result, and if they do that they should also be clear about the fact that it was done and why it was done.

 

[Captain Furious]

Hoping...
Gibbs for Pick 12
Hall for Pick 16

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Wow. Pick 12 for a 29 year old? Pick 16 for a player who was dropped from the second bottom team and plays footy like it's a non contact sport? Hopefully we don't get anywhere near that desperate.

 

[dogs105]

 

[eurodono]

I heard a rumour last week (I make no claims as to the source being particularly reliable which is why I didn't post it previously) that the Crows were interested in Trent McKenzie. He seems out of favour up there - possibly waiting to scoop him up as a delisted free agent if they cut him? Not really sure what he's got to offer apart from a big kick.

Anybody else heard anything similar?

Reid denied any interest in him last week.

 

[Mego Red]

You've posted you own personal opinion, and you even managed to argue against your own view point in all that, a mighty achievement I must say.

Post some evidence that we couldn't match. You've been asked this before and you continually come up empty.

Evidence, evidence....not your opinion.

My opinion? Oh, please.

Henderson, Smith, Selwood, Motlop, Blicavs, Bartel and Tom Hawkins all either signed or resigned with Geelong at the end of 2015. Added to what they paid Dangerfield - that is $3.5m or so in salary.

We had Sloane, Lynch and Matt Crouch as our significant re-signings.

Clearly, they had more ability to spend more and more flexibility to find additional salary.

That's the evidence. There is no evidence that I can see that Adelaide would have more space than Geelong.

If you're not willing to acknowledge the obvious, I don't know what I can do for you.

 

[Captain Furious]

I heard a rumour last week (I make no claims as to the source being particularly reliable which is why I didn't post it previously) that the Crows were interested in Trent McKenzie. He seems out of favour up there - possibly waiting to scoop him up as a delisted free agent if they cut him? Not really sure what he's got to offer apart from a big kick.

Anybody else heard anything similar?

Superior player to Hartigan. I'd be stoked if we got him as a DFA.

 

[Bicks]

I heard that and Barrett's whole position is based on Port not paying that level of money to Motlop based on his past performances.

But he doesn't know.

Sounds very like the AFL VFL to me.....they are a flat out corrupt Organisation, you only had to look at what they let Geelong do with their draft picks recently, they make the rules up as they go and give leg ups to only a chosen few.

 

[Donkey Magoo]

delightful.

 

[Donkey Magoo]

Wow. Pick 12 for a 29 year old? Pick 16 for a player who was dropped from the second bottom team and plays footy like it's a non contact sport? Hopefully we don't get anywhere near that desperate.

We don't need picks, we need players to win in the next 3 years, they both do that.

 

[Jarman3]

Reid denied any interest in him last week.

So you're saying... it's happening?!?!

 

[gothecrows]

Superior player to Hartigan. I'd be stoked if we got him as a DFA.

The only way he's superior to Hartigan is he can kick the ball farther.

 

[Mego Red]

So we had rooom and your last point relates to you.

You are also working on the assumption that Geelong would break their pay model and pay Danger a huge amount more than Selwood rather than give us an extra first.

To from giving up nothing (but you can't resign Mark Blicavs or Scott Selwood) to having to give up two first round picks (but you keep the salary space to sign these guys as well)?

Two first round picks is a big cost on them. I'm sure they could have made us the villain to explain to their playing group why they had to break a theoretical pay model (when no one knows if it even exists because they don't know what others are getting paid) in order to bring little Pattie home.

 

[Kickin Goals]

Everyone says this every year. How many trades are there usually? A dozen or so? Spread over a couple of weeks with a bit of a peak at the end. It's always the same.

Last year 38 players got traded and 118 draft picks changed hands according to the afl website.

 

[Bicks]

Why is it so hard to believe that Port are paying Motlop enough for Geelong to get the compensation pick that they did?

That said, I do think the process needs to be made more transparent. Ie the AFL says "the club gets compensation pick X based on the fact that the player's contract of $Y per year is in the top 10%". The AFL does have the leeway to adjust the compensation pick if they think it's a materially anomalous result, and if they do that they should also be clear about the fact that it was done and why it was done.

Too many industry insiders casting doubts on it for there not to be serious doubts, Noble this morning said they wanted urgent discussions with the AFL re the compensation given for Rockliff/Trengove/Motlop.........they smell a rat...

 

[Betts are off]

Mate you seem to be talking a whole heap of shit lately. AFC are notoriously know that it chews up and spits out players who don't have the work ethic to match the standards expected at the Crows who are known as notoriously hard trainers.

Club history is littered with talented players who have been chewed up and spat out by our club, Menzel and Wigg being the latest.

Oh and don't even get me started on Wigg. Are you telling me he is out because he is best suited to HBF and there are two AA HBFs ahead of him? It has nothing to do with him continuously rocking up to pre-season training out of shape? Even after the Christmas break when practically he is half way through the pre-season?

You say he has two AA HBFs ahead of him, well one of those is out for a season so why isn't Wigg signed up already for another year? Ever wondered that? And how come Ellis-Yoelman keeps getting opportunities even after being 6-7 years on the list for SFA games? Hint: look at the training habits and commitment to being the best AFL footballer that they can be!

But what your not taking into account is the difference between standard list management and the AFCs training systems.

I never said Wigg is going to be delisted because of being stuck behind those 2(in fact I never said he was being delisted at all), im saying he never played AFL games because of them. His fitness levels may have contributed too his potential delisting, but the bottom line is the writing was on the wall for him that he was never going to make the level. It became quite obvious that Pykey never saw him as an AFL standard Midfielder and after 3 years the team is ready to move on. Realistically that decision is probably 12 months too late.

Menzel was $$ on the list that we didn't need, but to his credit he improved his fitness base from next to nothing when he arrived. But again it became evident this year that he was never going to take a position in our starting 22. Again that's a blight on our list management not our training systems.

I actually agree in some of the things you say, like our training program being notoriously hard, and that not everyone works out regardless of talent. But the 2 players you brought up had obvious caveats to them which can't really be blamed on our system. Especially considering the amount of players that have thrived in the exact same system.

 

[threefa9]

We will see some movement this afternoon.

Charlie trade?

 

[eurodono]

So you're saying... it's happening?!?!

Ha ha - i know what you mean.

He seemed pretty adamant on that one unlike Gibbs.

 

[Elite Crow]

Too many industry insiders casting doubts on it for there not to be serious doubts, Noble this morning said they wanted urgent discussions with the AFL re the compensation given for Rockliff/Trengove/Motlop.........they smell a rat...

You sure?

So Ports offer was $500k and his manager met Port to up the offer, do you think they didn't and he went to Port anyway?

Port are throwing around money like drunken sailors, they obviously got relief for Monfries and Ryder.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

My opinion? Oh, please.

Henderson, Smith, Selwood, Motlop, Blicavs, Bartel and Tom Hawkins all either signed or resigned with Geelong at the end of 2015. Added to what they paid Dangerfield - that is $3.5m or so in salary.

We had Sloane, Lynch and Matt Crouch as our significant re-signings.

Clearly, they had more ability to spend more and more flexibility to find additional salary.

That's the evidence. There is no evidence that I can see that Adelaide would have more space than Geelong.

If you're not willing to acknowledge the obvious, I don't know what I can do for you.

Yes your opinion....still no evidence though from you.

The bolded bit is just comical. You're well on your way to rivaling JK Rowling for fantasy...FMD you bull bullshit out your ass.

 

[jenny61_99]

A mate just texted me saying Francis arrived at Adelaide Airport this morning.

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Of course... he could just be coming home for a holiday?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Last year 38 players got traded and 118 draft picks changed hands according to the afl website.

Really? Wow. I stand corrected

 

[Bicks]

Superior player to Hartigan. I'd be stoked if we got him as a DFA.

In what Universe is McKenzie a KPD....he's a 3rd tall at best or someone who at his very best could play Brodie Smith's role........has done nothing of note in the last 2 years struggling to break into a team that has had half it's list out injured at times this season. Would need to see a monumental turnaround in his form of the past 2 seasons.