List Mgmt. 2017 GC Draft/Trade Thread/FA - National Draft Pick 19

[17er]

Nobody anywhere has ever been able to give me a reasonable answer as to why the Suns have to maintain a reserves team whilst also having an affiliate in the Southport Sharks. I've always been a Sharks fan, then followed the Bears/Lions when the AFL came to Queensland, but I switched to the Suns in 2010 because of that original Sharks connection.

There are three types of feeder club/reserves systems in the AFL. Some teams join with a State League team and run their Rookies and fit AFL-listed no-selected players through the second tier comp. Some clubs run a fully fledged reserves team in their State Comp. Then there's the Suns, who run their own reserves and their affiliate gets zero benefit in the form of AFL-listed talent, as well as having to bear the expense of fielding an entire list.

Why can't the Suns pick their best 25 and let the remaining players run around for the affiliate club? There would even be the option of Rookies playing for the local clubs that produced them. In think Southport would win the NEAFL if they were able to use the best of the rest Suns along with a spine of experienced State level players.

 

[Mini GF]

Nobody anywhere has ever been able to give me a reasonable answer as to why the Suns have to maintain a reserves team whilst also having an affiliate in the Southport Sharks. I've always been a Sharks fan, then followed the Bears/Lions when the AFL came to Queensland, but I switched to the Suns in 2010 because of that original Sharks connection.

There are three types of feeder club/reserves systems in the AFL. Some teams join with a State League team and run their Rookies and fit AFL-listed no-selected players through the second tier comp. Some clubs run a fully fledged reserves team in their State Comp. Then there's the Suns, who run their own reserves and their affiliate gets zero benefit in the form of AFL-listed talent, as well as having to bear the expense of fielding an entire list.

Why can't the Suns pick their best 25 and let the remaining players run around for the affiliate club? There would even be the option of Rookies playing for the local clubs that produced them. In think Southport would win the NEAFL if they were able to use the best of the rest Suns along with a spine of experienced State level players.

I think I agree with this. I’ve been to Suns reserves games at Metricon and the attendance is worse than pitiful.
It would probably be better for Southport to be a neafl powerhouse and for the games to be played there with a bit of good old suburban tribal atmosphere and at the same time strengthening our relationship with their licenced club (in particular with their pokies).

 

[Scotty_222]

I think I agree with this. I’ve been to Suns reserves games at Metricon and the attendance is worse than pitiful.
It would probably be better for Southport to be a neafl powerhouse and for the games to be played there with a bit of good old suburban tribal atmosphere and at the same time strengthening our relationship with their licenced club (in particular with their pokies).

Will never happen. Clubs want their own reserves so they can put structures in place how they see fit. Was a big issue down here with the vfl as well, most clubs have moved away from this and brought their own clubs into the league.

 

[kreglze]

Will never happen. Clubs want their own reserves so they can put structures in place how they see fit. Was a big issue down here with the vfl as well, most clubs have moved away from this and brought their own clubs into the league.

This, it isn't about attendance and crowds. It is about playing with the club structure and ideally playing with players on the Suns list.

 

[17er]

Will never happen. Clubs want their own reserves so they can put structures in place how they see fit. Was a big issue down here with the vfl as well, most clubs have moved away from this and brought their own clubs into the league.

I see your point and I am well aware of the situation in Victoria as I live in Melbourne, however, the unique situation for the Suns is that the Sharks are a part owner and the relationship could only be strengthened. It would save money for the Sharks which could be put into junior development and the Suns Talent Academy. Southport has been given the opportunity to play in the NEAFL and should be able to have the same opportunities that other State based AFL affiliated clubs receive by being able to use AFL listed players. It would definitely require the Sharks ceding more control to the Suns AFL coaches, but I cannot see that being a bad thing as the payoff would mean that the Sharks NEAFL side would become a powerhouse with the combination of AFL listed played and the premium talent of Queensland based non-AFL players to be able to recruit.

 

[Mini GF]

Will never happen. Clubs want their own reserves so they can put structures in place how they see fit. Was a big issue down here with the vfl as well, most clubs have moved away from this and brought their own clubs into the league.

No dramas-the Southport Coach can be part of the Suns coaching staff. Not a problem.

 

[Scotty_222]

No dramas-the Southport Coach can be part of the Suns coaching staff. Not a problem.

Doesn’t work like that..plus you have players that sometimes get dropped to accomodate afl players sometimes it’s hard to get players coming in.

 

[Mini GF]

Doesn’t work like that..plus you have players that sometimes get dropped to accomodate afl players sometimes it’s hard to get players coming in.

I think 17er idea has great merit. In fact I’d like to see Palm Beach get a neafl team too and have half the list allocated to Southport and the other half to Palm Beach.
Grow the game on both ends of the GC.

 

[Cochblocked]

I think 17er idea has great merit. In fact I’d like to see Palm Beach get a neafl team too and have half the list allocated to Southport and the other half to Palm Beach.
Grow the game on both ends of the GC.

State leagues these days get their support from either their history or AFL affiliation. WA and SA leagues are still successful because of that rich history and the rivals with the AFL affiliation. In the NEAFL, beside Northern Territory none of teams are very well supporter basically because of a lack of history. GC, GWS and even Brisbane struggle for AFL supporters as it is, it means nobody really cares for the other NEAFL teams. Adding more would be disastrous unless it was from communities that would get support like Cairns maybe (even then it's risky).
The NEAFL has done social media great being able to live stream the Bri/GC/GWS/Syd games which has kept it going. Adding more teams people don't care about could see the league go bust. The VFL is having similar problems, North Ballarat is a mess and Frankston is only coming back because of strong community support.

 

[SunnerSS]

I see your point and I am well aware of the situation in Victoria as I live in Melbourne, however, the unique situation for the Suns is that the Sharks are a part owner and the relationship could only be strengthened. It would save money for the Sharks which could be put into junior development and the Suns Talent Academy. Southport has been given the opportunity to play in the NEAFL and should be able to have the same opportunities that other State based AFL affiliated clubs receive by being able to use AFL listed players. It would definitely require the Sharks ceding more control to the Suns AFL coaches, but I cannot see that being a bad thing as the payoff would mean that the Sharks NEAFL side would become a powerhouse with the combination of AFL listed played and the premium talent of Queensland based non-AFL players to be able to recruit.

I would think the flaw to that plan is QAFL. Creating a competition where 1 team is benefited with the resources of an Afl club is not "fair". Yes Brisbane and Gold Coast have stand alone reserves teams with those resources however have a disadvantage of having an unstable line-up with fill in players regularly being called in limits the consistency of performance.

 

[Michaels]

Hi all,

pardon the intrusion, hopefully this is the right place to put this!

Just giving a heads up that on Monday 6th of November at 7:30pm I will be chatting with 2 of the Co-founders of AFL Draft Central, Pie 4 life and Bishop (who post a bit on the drafts board here) to speak to them about the upcoming draft.

they will be giving their top 20 player rankings, a in depth review of 8 players (4 each) that have impressed them the most this year as well as a 1st round mock draft.

You will be able to listen to it live via our Spreaker link (which i will post in here on Monday) and you can even use the chat client to ask any specific questions about players you might be after etc.

 

[thurls64]

I am hearing from within the club some murmurings about salary cap issues regarding maybe not chasing any DFA's, maybe some planning around preparing for Tommy's next contract

 

[SUNS]

I am hearing from within the club some murmurings about salary cap issues regarding maybe not chasing any DFA's, maybe some planning around preparing for Tommy's next contract

Good. We should be doing all we can to keep Tommy Nicholls around

 

[Experimental]

I am hearing from within the club some murmurings about salary cap issues regarding maybe not chasing any DFA's, maybe some planning around preparing for Tommy's next contract

I’m not pretending to have an inside understanding of our salary cap but how the **** could we possibly have issues

 

[Iva Bigun]

I am hearing from within the club some murmurings about salary cap issues regarding maybe not chasing any DFA's, maybe some planning around preparing for Tommy's next contract

if this is correct and I am not doubting you thurls64 how the **** can Poort afford Motlop, Watts, Rockcliff and maybe Trent. If we have to put that much of the cap space into Lynch then we should let him go.

Who would be on big coin, Lynch, May, it would be daylight after that surely?

 

[Basssman]

Seems crazy we would have salary cap concerns, we really only have 2 A graders who would command big dollars. Especially after Trent and the other delistings a few of which would of been on decent coin have left the club!


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[Mini GF]

I am hearing from within the club some murmurings about salary cap issues regarding maybe not chasing any DFA's, maybe some planning around preparing for Tommy's next contract

Once again well done AFL in sending us all those genius’ to start up our club.

 

[SunsBhoy]

Baffling to hear we have salary cap issues since the departure of gaz , mc kenzie , matera etc plus the increase of the salary cap by a mil or so , can only think they are fast tracking lynch contract and putting some in this years salary cap.


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[Scotty_222]

Baffling to hear we have salary cap issues since the departure of gaz , mc kenzie , matera etc plus the increase of the salary cap by a mil or so , can only think they are fast tracking lynch contract and putting some in this years salary cap.


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Well if Weller is on 800k plus?
Young would be 450 - 500

Plus we could just be tight next year with a few back ended contracts, seeing as all clubs have to spend most of the cap each year.

 

[SunsBhoy]

Only proble going to draft with maybe 5 picks if darcy gets upgrade is Clayton is going to have to use the picks in the 50s and 70s which he hasn’t got a good striker are with.


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[SunsBhoy]

Well if Weller is on 800k plus?
Young would be 450 - 500

Plus we could just be tight next year with a few back ended contracts, seeing as all clubs have to spend most of the cap each year.

Weller in 3mil over 5 years , could be front loaded , young you might be right , wigg would be on bugger all , the rest I’m struggling with.


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[Stroppy]

Our cap is probably higher than many think.

As a 'frontier' club we will be paying slight overs to full overs for a lot of our players in order for them to extend.

I would have no doubt that our A+, A and B players would be paid more from year 3 onwards than most similar players at other clubs.
We would have got our 4 top 10 draft picks to sign on for 2 extra years by paying them well.
All those overs will add up.

 

[Cochblocked]

Our cap is probably higher than many think.

As a 'frontier' club we will be paying slight overs to full overs for a lot of our players in order for them to extend.

I would have no doubt that our A+, A and B players would be paid more from year 3 onwards than most similar players at other clubs.
We would have got our 4 top 10 draft picks to sign on for 2 extra years by paying them well.
All those overs will add up.

Yeah heard an interesting thing on North Melbourne. All through out Robbie Tarrant's career he's been under paid now with the team having no star's he's getting over paid because they have to fill that 95% of the cap. I don't think we would have cap problems it's just trying to gauge how much Lynchy will cost.

 

[GCStormie]

I'd imagine that Mickey B and P Hanley would be on pretty significant coin too.
I'd be pretty confident we wouldnt have been Barlow's only suitor, And Hanley wouldnt have moved for free.

 

[Scotty_222]

Didnt take him long.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-02/port-fires-up-the-cannon-mckenzie-as-latest-boom-recruit