MRP / Trib. 2017 MRP/ Carlton Tribunal News & Reports

[TheCoach16]

IIRC, Betts got a long suspension (5 weeks or so) for shepherding a bloke where he accidentally broke his jaw. Had a perfectly clean record, didn't save him.

Unlucky, freak connection, good bloke. Didn't help us then.

I'm not defending the penalty or the AFL or the MRP, or the circus surrounding it all. I think, given the way the game is governed, Houli probably should've got 3 or 4...

My point was purely about his intent.

 

[SBYM]

Unlucky, freak connection, good bloke. Didn't help us then.

Smokes too many durries...

 

[Cripps17]

It was a lucky/unlucky/freak connection. Running away from someone, throwing your arm back against your own forward momentum and flushing a guy so perfectly that they're out before they hit the ground. Houli couldn't do that again if he tried 100 times.

Houli momentarily braced himself to give more force through his swing - watch his legs. Also the forward momentum of significance is that of Lamb, which would increase the impact.

On this point I disagree with what you said here - you run into someone swinging their fist at your head, you're going down more than one in a hundred.

 

[Jimmae]

Yeah let's be clear here, the tribunal found him guilty of it being an intentional strike. It should matter very little at that point that he didn't intend to concuss Lamb: it happened.

 

[El Topo]

There's enough reactionary knuckleheads in this country he could end up getting the Adam Goodes treatment, which would be a disgrace

Incredibly stupid and short sighted decision.

I actually feel for Houli because he's going to be booed endlessly.

I also feel sorry for myself that I'm once again going to have to listen to all the "Australians are racist" crap in the media.

Good luck to the AFL putting this one back in the box.

 

[ShanDog]

I'm not as outraged. You all know my deep seeded hatred for everything Richmond, but there's no way Houli set out to knock Lamb out cold.
It was a lucky/unlucky/freak connection. Running away from someone, throwing your arm back against your own forward momentum and flushing a guy so perfectly that they're out before they hit the ground. Houli couldn't do that again if he tried 100 times.

He had to get suspended, I think by the way the game is adjudicated, it probably should've been 3 weeks. But there's no way he set out to do that much damage.

Not a chance coach. He knew exactly where Lamb was and where his head would be.

 

[TheCoach16]

Not a chance coach. He knew exactly where Lamb was and where his head would be.

I think you're giving him way too much credit... That hit was timed and delivered with surgical precision.
In my opinion, he couldn't reproduce that strike and that outcome, no matter how many times he tried...

And for the record, I'm not defending the act itself. I'm saying that it seems implausible he could've planned that.

 

[ParapMarkets]

Terrible decision. Should have been 4 weeks. I get that previous good record comes into it, but all this other nonsense is wrong. You could see this coming though, people too shit scared to discuss him like they would anyone else who committed such an act. Dusty Martin has never been reported (I think), no way he would've got 2 weeks with a clean record, that's wrong.

I have a lot of respect for Houli, I can't imagine how difficult it would be playing such a tough running sport professionally during Ramadan. It may not have been his intention to KO Lamb, but it was still a shit act that needed to be punished properly.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

I think you're giving him way too much credit... That hit was timed and delivered with surgical precision.
In my opinion, he couldn't reproduce that strike and that outcome, no matter how many times he tried...

And for the record, I'm not defending the act itself. I'm saying that it seems implausible he could've planned that.

Back in the olden days, probably when both you and I played, there was a tribunal plea 'Guilty under provocation', which got you a week shaved off as some-one had gotten you a bit angry.

No-one provoked him to knock a guy out cold on Saturday, from the earlier 5 minutes of football.

 

[ShanDog]

I think you're giving him way too much credit... That hit was timed and delivered with surgical precision.
In my opinion, he couldn't reproduce that strike and that outcome, no matter how many times he tried...

And for the record, I'm not defending the act itself. I'm saying that it seems implausible he could've planned that.

When someone is hanging off you and not protecting themselves, it's not exactly difficult to throw something that hits.

All this happens in a split second. Houli probably wanted to go low, and in the milliseconds it takes for the message to go from the brain to the arm, he switched from low to high. It happens. But he did it.

 

[TheCoach16]

Back in the olden days, probably when both you and I played, there was a tribunal plea 'Guilty under provocation', which got you a week shaved off as some-one had gotten you a bit angry.

No-one provoked him to knock a guy out cold on Saturday, from the earlier 5 minutes of football.

When someone is hanging off you and not protecting themselves, it's not exactly difficult to throw something that hits.

All this happens in a split second. Houli probably wanted to go low, and in the milliseconds it takes for the message to go from the brain to the arm, he switched from low to high. It happens. But he did it.

Ok, I don't think I'm explaining myself properly...

Houli struck Lamb. Deliberately.
Lamb is immediately rendered unconscious from the hit.
By the laws of our game, Houli should've got four weeks.
These things are not in dispute.

My point is completely seperate from the above. I contend , that Houli could not have possibly intended to achieve the outcome he got, from the action he took...
Unfortunately for both Lamb and Houli, it was a perfect storm hit...

 

[Jabba73]

First connection collected his shoulder with Lamb lunging. Side by side it likely would have hit his arm. It was reckless and should have been 3 down to 2. I feel the "Intentional" part was more about setting a precedent by the tribunal if it ever happens again. The character reduction just allowed them to get the decision to where they wanted it to be.

Regardless of whether it was 2, 4 or even greater, Houli would have taken the punishment. It would upset him more to know he hurt a player like that. This is also why I'm posting here because I do want people to not blame Houli for this decision. I think the people wanting blood, before and after the decision, really should be a bit more mindful. You're not animals, don't act like it.

Pretty sure I didn't knock anyone out on the weekend. I am calling the consequences soft and the action deliberate.

How do you work out I am the one acting like an animal?

 

[thylacine60]

First connection collected his shoulder with Lamb lunging. Side by side it likely would have hit his arm. It was reckless and should have been 3 down to 2. I feel the "Intentional" part was more about setting a precedent by the tribunal if it ever happens again. The character reduction just allowed them to get the decision to where they wanted it to be.

Regardless of whether it was 2, 4 or even greater, Houli would have taken the punishment. It would upset him more to know he hurt a player like that. This is also why I'm posting here because I do want people to not blame Houli for this decision. I think the people wanting blood, before and after the decision, really should be a bit more mindful. You're not animals, don't act like it.

It's important you have helped us understand the type of man Bachar is. Strikes me he is every bit as deserving of adulation and blind devotion as Mandela, Ghandi or Mother Theresa. Thanks, Dr Mike!

 

[thylacine60]

Doc, if he was wearing the red sash and belted your beloved Cotch into oblivion do you think you'd be spouting his charms on opposition boards?

 

[TheCoach16]

First connection collected his shoulder with Lamb lunging. Side by side it likely would have hit his arm. It was reckless and should have been 3 down to 2. I feel the "Intentional" part was more about setting a precedent by the tribunal if it ever happens again. The character reduction just allowed them to get the decision to where they wanted it to be.

Regardless of whether it was 2, 4 or even greater, Houli would have taken the punishment. It would upset him more to know he hurt a player like that. This is also why I'm posting here because I do want people to not blame Houli for this decision. I think the people wanting blood, before and after the decision, really should be a bit more mindful. You're not animals, don't act like it.

Easy Doc. No one is acting like an animal. There is plenty of discussion surrounding this matter. In here, on your board, on the main board. Everyone has a view, an opinion and a bias.
Last time I checked, that was ok and certainly not animal like behaviour...

You should know that, you're a mod. Or at least you were one.

 

[DrMike]

Doc, if he was wearing the red sash and belted your beloved Cotch into oblivion do you think you'd be spouting his charms on opposition boards?

No, because I wouldn't have the intimate knowledge of him that I do have with him being a Richmond player.

 

[thylacine60]

what does his saintly character have to do with his act of gutless thuggery?

 

[ChrisKaias]

First connection collected his shoulder with Lamb lunging. Side by side it likely would have hit his arm. It was reckless and should have been 3 down to 2. I feel the "Intentional" part was more about setting a precedent by the tribunal if it ever happens again. The character reduction just allowed them to get the decision to where they wanted it to be.

Regardless of whether it was 2, 4 or even greater, Houli would have taken the punishment. It would upset him more to know he hurt a player like that. This is also why I'm posting here because I do want people to not blame Houli for this decision. I think the people wanting blood, before and after the decision, really should be a bit more mindful. You're not animals, don't act like it.

If precious Houli would have taken any punishment then it's strange he defended it so hard that he actually brought his religion into it. That's the most distasteful thing to me and I've lost an incredible amount of respect for him. He's also now invited every bigot on social media to take a crack at Muslims. He has done this just to try and save his own skin and it's frankly disgusting.

 

[DrMike]

If precious Houli would have taken any punishment then it's strange he defended it so hard that he actually brought his religion into it. That's the most distasteful thing to me and I've lost an incredible amount of respect for him. He's also now invited every bigot on social media to take a crack at Muslims. He has done this just to try and save his own skin and it's frankly disgusting.

Nah.

 

[Azul]

You're not animals, don't act like it.

Are too. Where do you get off disproving the theory of evolution?

 

[thylacine60]

Maybe you should look over this thread before you suggest that. Very poor work from some.

Anyway no more from me, not here to counter your opinion on the football side of things.

next time bring something a little less transparent

 

[sherb]

We differ on opinion of the deliberate part. There's no way in hell he aimed to hurt Lamb like that. You can call the consequences whatever you want, that's a criticism of the MRP and Tribunal.

I don't think Houli meant to knock Lamb out, but there is no doubt that he intended to belt him in the head.

He looked around before he hit him. He would have caught him in his peripheral vision. He knew where his head was - and then he swung his arm at head height. And guess where he collected Lamb after all that? What a surprise.....

I am sick of reading what a good bloke he is as a form of defence - good blokes can still do shit things. Happens all the time. And that's what happened here, Houli lost his cool in the heat of the moment and deliberately clocked a bloke.

 

[thylacine60]

but he's such a good bloke?

 

[sherb]

but he's such a good bloke?

Apparently he is..........

It's good to be back by the way.

 

[Jabba73]

We differ on opinion of the deliberate part. There's no way in hell he aimed to hurt Lamb like that. You can call the consequences whatever you want, that's a criticism of the MRP and Tribunal.

My comments are more about taking it out on Houli, who did the wrong thing yes, but didn't make this decision. He would have accepted whatever he was given.

While the sarcasm is obvious, we have had a lot of people meet Houli through our player sponsorship who can attend to his character. He is a fantastic person that made a mistake.

He tried to hit Lamb. That is deliberate.

Knocking him out was the result of his deliberate choice to hit a player with that amount of force. Where he hit him is incompetence if he was trying to hit the arm, that defence doesn't save anyone when they bump someone high.

Houli did not accept the penalty he would have been given, he pled for leniency using every means at his disposal including religious beliefs.

Might be a good bloke, don't know too many good blokes that deliberately knock innocent people out. Usually the good bloke tag is excuse making from friends and family trying to help the good bloke escape punishment for their crimes.

It is always the victim of the crime that fails to get justice for what has been done to them. Lamb will miss the same amount of footy as the good bloke who knocked him out.

Excuse me if I don't feel sorry for Houli