MRP / Trib. 2017 MRP/ Carlton Tribunal News & Reports

[TheCoach16]

Maybe you should look over this thread before you suggest that.

Are you suggesting I be more thorough? Get my facts straight before I come to a conclusion?
Consider all the relevant information?
Stop assuming I just know what's going on?

That's rich coming from you...

 

[thylacine60]

If you are going to attack the head you are open to consequences ranging from oliver to hookes and everything in between - and every person punching another person knows that before they do it - the end.

 

[Casual_Observer]

It's Ramadan and he went for a piece of Lamb. I would too if I was that hungry.

I hope he ends up getting at least 3 weeks because all things being relative he should, but let's just hope Lamb is alright and it really was nothing malicious in it, and move on.

 

[DrMike]

It's Ramadan and he went for a piece of Lamb. I would too if I was that hungry.

I hope he ends up getting at least 3 weeks because all things being relative he should, but let's just hope Lamb is alright and it really was nothing malicious in it, and move on.

Is there any word on him? How's he going

 

[DrMike]

next time bring something a little less transparent

Nothing to be "transparent" about. The incident never should have happened. I'm filthy at Houli for doing it. But I also know he'll be filthy at himself too.

If we're talking in competition as supporters, nothing there either. In essence we won. We won the game and our player got under what he should have.

So no, there's nothing veiled under my comments.

 

[thylacine60]

Is there any word on him? How's he going

easy stomach

 

[thylacine60]

Nothing to be "transparent" about. The incident never should have happened. I'm filthy at Houli for doing it. But I also know he'll be filthy at himself too.

If we're talking in competition as supporters, nothing there either. In essence we won. We won the game and our player got under what he should have.

So no, there's nothing veiled under my comments.

you might have em foxed over on the tiger board but spare us your pious claptrap - we already have one of those dispensers.......

 

[katmanblue]

I'm not as outraged. You all know my deep seeded hatred for everything Richmond, but there's no way Houli set out to knock Lamb out cold.
It was a lucky/unlucky/freak connection. Running away from someone, throwing your arm back against your own forward momentum and flushing a guy so perfectly that they're out before they hit the ground. Houli couldn't do that again if he tried 100 times.

He had to get suspended, I think by the way the game is adjudicated, it probably should've been 3 weeks. But there's no way he set out to do that much damage.

I'm sure the bloke who punched David Hooks didn't mean to do that much damage either.

Doesn't matter to Hooks. He is still dead.

The fact is Bashar committed an act of violence which could have had catastrophic consequences for Lamb.

What if he ends up with brain damage? What if he has major mental issuse like dementia etc as a result of it?

Yes, i know footy is a contact sport, and accidents happen. Players go in knowing full well that they can get hurt playing football. This was not an accident. This was not a football act. Lamb had no chance to defend himself or brace himself.

What if this ends Lamb's career? Maybe he isnt right for a couple of weeks, then goes to the vfl to find form and can't. Gets delisted. (Its possible).

Is it possible for criminal charges to be laid for something that happens onfield? If Lamb has lasting adverse affects, can he have Bashar charged with assault down the track with a view of leveraging the charge into a civil case against the AFL to get a payout?

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[katmanblue]

Really??? I thought I was about to be crucified...

Nah, thats the other mob.

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[katmanblue]

First connection collected his shoulder with Lamb lunging. Side by side it likely would have hit his arm. It was reckless and should have been 3 down to 2. I feel the "Intentional" part was more about setting a precedent by the tribunal if it ever happens again. The character reduction just allowed them to get the decision to where they wanted it to be.

Regardless of whether it was 2, 4 or even greater, Houli would have taken the punishment. It would upset him more to know he hurt a player like that. This is also why I'm posting here because I do want people to not blame Houli for this decision. I think the people wanting blood, before and after the decision, really should be a bit more mindful. You're not animals, don't act like it.

Now its Lamb lunging?
Go away.

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[dumb]

the remorse vs using character references and hoping for a lighter penalty seems weird at first, but most of us would do the same in that position. we shouldn't forget that there would be some of us gloating like the richmond supporters are, if one of ours clocked one of theirs and got off lightly.

importantly, i also doubt houli expected the tribunal to rollover so much as well.

other than that... i'm always glad it's never me who has to make these sorts of decisions. if houli's character is as exemplary as his references say, then his actions will rest a little heavier in his mind than other players. not to mention the social media storm that will no doubt come his way... is going to have to live with some things that happen outside the scope of afl.

 

[thylacine60]

smartish post belies username

 

[katmanblue]

If precious Houli would have taken any punishment then it's strange he defended it so hard that he actually brought his religion into it. That's the most distasteful thing to me and I've lost an incredible amount of respect for him. He's also now invited every bigot on social media to take a crack at Muslims. He has done this just to try and save his own skin and it's frankly disgusting.

As a Muslim, I am incensed. As Carlton member I am ropeable. As an observer of the AFL I am not surprised in it's la k of integrity.

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[Arr0w]

I'm sure the bloke who punched David Hooks didn't mean to do that much damage either.

Doesn't matter to Hooks. He is still dead.

The fact is Bashar committed an act of violence which could have had catastrophic consequences for Lamb.

What if he ends up with brain damage? What if he has major mental issuse like dementia etc as a result of it?

Yes, i know footy is a contact sport, and accidents happen. Players go in knowing full well that they can get hurt playing football. This was not an accident. This was not a football act. Lamb had no chance to defend himself or brace himself.

What if this ends Lamb's career? Maybe he isnt right for a couple of weeks, then goes to the vfl to find form and can't. Gets delisted. (Its possible).

Is it possible for criminal charges to be laid for something that happens onfield? If Lamb has lasting adverse affects, can he have Bashar charged with assault down the track with a view of leveraging the charge into a civil case against the AFL to get a payout?

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Yes he can

 

[Bluey24]

On the MCG's hallowed turf on Sunday afternoon, Bachar Houli was being tagged by Lamb in back play(!), when, after looking behind, he swung his forearm back with force and landed an intentional, high-impact blow to Lamb's head.

The impact to Lamb's head left him unconscious, face buried in the centre square grass.

Two weeks.

Houli received two weeks for this ... because he's normally a top bloke.

We all make mistakes. By all reports, Houli is a leader within the community and well-respected by many whose opinion I respect.

But the MRP has done Houli no favours - nor did his failure to front the media after the tribunal to show genuine remorse.

Houli is not the type of leader I want in my community.

Rightly, he'll be booed by Carlton (and other) fans for the remainder of his career, which, for his sake, probably won't be too long.

Having a few days to reflect, what gives me some satisfaction is knowing that the hit to Houli's reputation has been far worse than the hit he landed on the MCG's hallowed turf on Sunday afternoon.

 

[Bluey24]

Is there any word on him? How's he going

Still a bit cooked

 

[ESKIE]

I'm not as outraged. You all know my deep seeded hatred for everything Richmond, but there's no way Houli set out to knock Lamb out cold.
It was a lucky/unlucky/freak connection. Running away from someone, throwing your arm back against your own forward momentum and flushing a guy so perfectly that they're out before they hit the ground. Houli couldn't do that again if he tried 100 times.

He had to get suspended, I think by the way the game is adjudicated, it probably should've been 3 weeks. But there's no way he set out to do that much damage.

Yeh i agree with you to coach

 

[Dadda Dave]

I just seen the Oldiver incident for the first time . That was pathetic effort , should be suspended..

 

[thylacine60]

Can't be. Too good a bloke.

 

[jezzzza]

First connection collected his shoulder with Lamb lunging. Side by side it likely would have hit his arm. It was reckless and should have been 3 down to 2. I feel the "Intentional" part was more about setting a precedent by the tribunal if it ever happens again. The character reduction just allowed them to get the decision to where they wanted it to be.

Regardless of whether it was 2, 4 or even greater, Houli would have taken the punishment. It would upset him more to know he hurt a player like that. This is also why I'm posting here because I do want people to not blame Houli for this decision. I think the people wanting blood, before and after the decision, really should be a bit more mindful. You're not animals, don't act like it.

If this is the case why did he not just plead guilty instead of contesting the charge? He admitted that he intended to strike Lamb, at this point where he intended the strike to land matters not. According to the rule, he should have gotten 4 down to 3 for his record. His AFL record which is the only thing that matters. It shouldn't matter if he is feeding starving kittens in his spare time.

The AFL tribunal has cocked this one up big and have set a precedence that if you are a "good bloke" you can get away with intentionally striking and knocking an opponent out all for the low price of a 2 week vacation.

 

[Dadda Dave]

I'm sure the bloke who punched David Hooks didn't mean to do that much damage either.

Doesn't matter to Hooks. He is still dead.

The fact is Bashar committed an act of violence which could have had catastrophic consequences for Lamb.

What if he ends up with brain damage? What if he has major mental issuse like dementia etc as a result of it?

Yes, i know footy is a contact sport, and accidents happen. Players go in knowing full well that they can get hurt playing football. This was not an accident. This was not a football act. Lamb had no chance to defend himself or brace himself.

What if this ends Lamb's career? Maybe he isnt right for a couple of weeks, then goes to the vfl to find form and can't. Gets delisted. (Its possible).

Is it possible for criminal charges to be laid for something that happens onfield? If Lamb has lasting adverse affects, can he have Bashar charged with assault down the track with a view of leveraging the charge into a civil case against the AFL to get a payout?

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Thuggery like that should be treated like anyone that gets assaulted in a cowardly act .It would be up to the victim to lay charges i would of thought .Barry Hall on Saker is onother example where criminal charges should of been laid IMO.. If that type of crap happerned to one of my kids either on the footy field or anywhere else i can guarantee charges would be laid ..

 

[slashin_velvet]

If you're unhappy with the ruling, I would suggest emailing Stephen Trigg and Simon Lethlean requesting an appeal.

 

[Dadda Dave]

If you're unhappy with the ruling, I would suggest emailing Stephen Trigg and Simon Lethlean requesting an appeal.

AFL website saying this morning that the AFL will be apealing the sentence this morning ..

 

[slashin_velvet]

AFL website saying this morning that the AFL will be apealing the sentence this morning ..

My emails might have worked then

 

[ESKIE]

AFL website saying this morning that the AFL will be apealing the sentence this morning ..

Where does it say that