2017 trade/draft thread

[Godfather32]

Jay Clark says its 9, 25, 28, 30 for 13 and 2018 1st rounder.

That is more equitable.

Im not keen on trading next years pick, but that is less bad than some of the other suggestions.

So they're taking a scatter gun approach to this years second round? Can't possibly miss on all those picks. Surely. Right?

 

[Godfather32]

Our first rounder next year could be a top 5 pick. That's very risky

Nah, we're going to smash next year, top 4.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

People need to stop getting all hung up over what number pick or picks we have, it's not like we've done anything good with high end picks the last few years

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

How exactly is it bizarre? Posters were arguing we should downgrade a mid 1st rounder for 2 late/mid second rounders. WC are quantitatively bad drafters, especially in the 2nd round.

So here is a more accurate set of numbers.

2007 to 2011 is a 5 year window, it is also our best in terms of second round picks from the last 10 years, just based on relative games played.

My criteria is as follows: since you have included Lycett, who is absolutely not a B grade player, but has contributed I set a minimum floor of 50 games. 50 games is someone who played a role, even if for a short period. For a successful draftee I set the floor at 100 games. That is someone who spent an extended period in a sides best 22, even if it was simply playing a role.

Of the 83 picks over this 5 year period, 25 played 100+ games (success rate of 30.1%) and 42 played 50+ games (rate of 50.6%).

WC over the same period had 6 selections. Of those 1 played 100+ games at WC (Selwood, 135) and 2 have played 50+ at WC (Lycett, 50).

This is a comparative strike rate of 16.6% and 33.3%. Objectively bad.

Now if I change the criteria and include all draftees over the last 10 years, using arbitrary catagories of say 50 and 35 games for 2012-2014 and 35-15 games for 2015-2016, our drafting looks spectacularly bad.

But you should have taken into account the correlation coefficient of the 2011 and 2012 priority picks and the mini draft picks that bring about a relative regression of the draft positioning to ensure that the 2nd round is more like a normal third round. Not sure what discount factoring your would presume to be taking. This would thereby skew your population sample and hence invalidate the success rates and therefore the bell curve would not be appropriate meaning the sample period under review equated to a compromised draft.

 

[Galileo9]

People need to stop getting all hung up over what number pick or picks we have, it's not like we've done anything good with high end picks the last few years

Wow high standards.

I don’t think club is doing this if it didn’t believe in what it will bring and you know what, good on them. They could have sat back and done nothing and be comfy. They put their balls on line and you have to admire that.

 

[FKASC]

lol did crows just ask for dayne zorko for cameron. I understand them being pissed off about Cameron wanting leave but this is is getting out of hand. Cameron is overrated af and has lewis jetta written all over him. Id take pick 18 and run if i was offered that.

Not even worth pick 18. Supremely overrated. Brisbane GC will always have to pay way overs to get players there though

 

[WCEswift]

Adam Sambono is a guy id like you all to look at on youtube if he had the last name rioli people would be drooling.

 

[WCErevival]

People need to stop getting all hung up over what number pick or picks we have, it's not like we've done anything good with high end picks the last few years

We haven't had any high end picks in the last 5 years

 

[Obeanie1]

Our first rounder next year could be a top 5 pick. That's very risky

Not when next years top 20 are as good as this years top 10. We just need to get a top 20 pick in 2018 and we will land a good draftee.

If this gets us inside the top 10 this year we also get a crack at top end talent.

 

[FKASC]

Adam Sambono is a guy id like you all to look at on youtube if he had the last name rioli people would be drooling.

Lecca would be proud of those dribble kicks

 

[amazingjoshy]

Jay Clark says its 9, 25, 28, 30 for 13 and 2018 1st rounder.

That is more equitable.

Im not keen on trading next years pick, but that is less bad than some of the other suggestions.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/1a35bb2665e5d7d3894072f75da5bc32

But there could be another layer of the West Coast-Bulldogs deal which could help sweeten the agreement further in the Eagles’ favour before Thursday’s 2pm trade deadline.

Under one proposal, the Dogs could give their current pick No.9 in this year’s draft to West Coast.

In return, the Eagles could hand over a future first or second-round pick in next year’s draft back to the Dogs.

Could be future first or second. Sounds like it's them making all the running to sweeten the deal for us.

 

[WCErevival]

Not when next years top 20 are as good as this years top 10. We just need to get a top 20 pick in 2018 and we will land a good draftee.

If this gets us inside the top 10 this year we also get a crack at top end talent.

Its getting a pick inside the top 20 next year that is the problem. We would have to give up something valuable.

 

[Chris_6678]

If its next years second im fine with it but Bullies get bugger all but if we finish bottom 4 our second will be around 19-22?

 

[FKASC]

Its getting a pick inside the top 20 next year that is the problem. We would have to give up something valuable.

Gaff free agency

Hopefully they don't **** with the compo rules before then

 

[Obeanie1]

Gaff free agency

Hopefully they don't **** with the compo rules before then

We match any bid and negotiate a mid first rounder plus steak knives. Done.

 

[Godfather32]

If its next years second im fine with it but Bullies get bugger all but if we finish bottom 4 our second will be around 19-22?

Why would we finish bottom 4 though?

 

[Bomber_Dan]

I hope you guys stand firm on the 2018 first rounder and say its off the table. Maybe it's your 3rd for their 4th or something to help with their F/S in West. Would be a brave move to give up 2018 first.

 

[Chris_6678]

Can we chuck in Masten and Hill?

 

[BartBart]

Lecca would be proud of those dribble kicks

My 2 thoughts watching the video were
1: disappointment at the dribble kicks
2: thought that the quality of the comp made it hard to judge how good he is

 

[juddy_Like]

Even if we finish mid table again next year, could really see us trading up to grab JK’s replacement.

Well not any more from the sounds of it.

 

[kranky al]

We have a few years left with nn and jk.

Im glad we are going hard at this draft

We should have gonehard at the year before instead of absolutely jerking off in public thinking we were contenders

Mini rebuild 2018 - hit it hard 2019

 

[BartBart]

I vaguely remember we did a trade pick swap with the Dogs something like 3-5 years ago?

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Very concerning that it includes our first next year which is a super draft.

And that only makes sense if we firmly believe one of our free agents are gone and we're getting a first rounder.

I thought you can either trade your( future 1st) or (2nd 3rd 4th) but not both scenarios. Now that we traded our future 3rd we aren't able to trade our future 1st

 

[BartBart]

I thought (maybe incorrectly) it was only one of 1st or 2nd round picks.

 

[Godfather32]

I thought you can either trade your( future 1st) or (2nd 3rd 4th) but not both scenarios. Now that we traded our future 3rd we aren't able to trade our future 1st

I think the AFL make the rules on this up as they go. If it helps Victorian clubs they'll allow it.