List Mgmt. 2017 Trade & Free Agency Discussion thread II

[Heaps of fun]

Yep was watching that thread with interest all last season, now blown away with where we ended up points wise...

You can also see we're the only team outside of finals that didn't bring a player in. Granted Collingwood brought in a rookie, Hawks Impey and Saints only brought in a second string KPD. Carlton, Brisbane, Bulldogs, Melbourne, Fremantle and GC on the other hand all (at varying costs, which is the flip side) traded in highly rated young players.

 

[the big lebowski]

As a north supporter for as long, and perhaps seeing some things differently, I would like to address your points with upmost respect from my view point:
1) I Think jk and dusty attempts neither desperate not silly. If Richmond hasn't of made the eight Dusty would have come and he's nearly did anyway. Kelly was a different kettle add we would have had to trade two first rounders for him. But when the club decided to chase them Kelly was behind several of their midfielders. The club identified the talent of two top fifty players in the league as having the potential to be top five. They were proven right as hard as that would have been to believe twelve or twenty four months ago. This is also the argument to draft. Players feel like they belong and have mates and it all intertwines with their family. Hard to prise people out unless desperately unhappy. In which case they are odds on to be desperately unhappy again.

I agree the boldness should be applauded. And we were unlucky but where was the boldness with trade week.

The problem is that we should have embraced the rebuild by calling it a rebuild and not an aggressive reset. We should have handled things better to get a better list management outcome than we got.

We need to be investing in development for these young players at the club. They are the future and will dictate if and when we will rise up the ladder.

The worst thing we can do from this point if stuff up our message and aim for the club, which has to be a major rebuild and in particular a full midfield rebuild.

I look at this list and see the building blocks to be optimistic about the future, especially considering the access to more talent over the next 3 years.

I see a young backline that contains players that have shown good signs in their first year of senior football that will hopefully grow. I see a young forward line buoy around one of the the best young KPFs in the game.

I see young footballers that have had career best years at a stage when they should be accelerating their development.

Coupled with a core group of senior players that still have 5 years of good football infront of them. Things can change really quickly but you have to get the momentum for that to happen and to make the right decisions. Just about every decision we have made recently has been wrong IMO or not worked out due to circumstance.

We need to take the guess work out of the path forward and just commit to youth. Every delay will be magnified in this rebuild.

 

[nicko74]

Whilst I'd love to contribute some optimism I think on any analysis it has been a distrastrous 18 months in general and specifically a deflating trade period - we didn't rack up all these pages and repeated viewings expecting to end up with 2 picks in top 60! I've listened to, and read, Pelchans comments over last week and basically agreed with his sober analysis. My keen footballing loving non-North friends are unanimous in their assessment that North seems directionless. Some key points to note:
1. We set out (quite publically) to catch some huge fish and failed - this in eyes of general public now looks desperate and silly and may have hurt our reputation as destination club for many years- apart from Lynch and Sloan there is no equivalent big fish FA's in 2018 and we'll be ridiculed for even trying for them
2. We seemed unprepared for failure on Kelly/Martin attempts with no obvious plan B - we never thought of the need to prepare a Tarrant/Goldie/Higgins/Cunnington/Atley for a trade thinking they'd be essential side kicks to our new stars. Sure, none of them may have wanted to leave but if you prepped Tarrant for a move to Saints/Cats/Crows where he just might win a flag maybe we could have pulled off a high value trade
3. Out treatment of Gibson and Mullet (and less so Hanson) was downright embarrassing-what on earth did we gain in delisting and humiliating them pre trade week? - it is possible that we just might have got a little something for Gibson in particular if we didn't so overtly devalue him (eg a combo offer to help us get pick 2 from GC) Regardless why make such a spectacle of them pre trade week ? What a shocking cultural message. And then the nerve to put up the Gibbo trade as one of only news stories on the North site post
Trade week!!
4. If you're not sure of the bind we're in, compare Carlton and North who finished on same points this year. Blues have a heap of young potential on their list already and yet they brought in 3 new players and ended up with improved 2017 AND 2018 draft picks. They paid almost nothing for Darcy Lang meaning his choice rested solely on his preference for Blues. Sure they got a bit lucky with Gibbs scenario but they have a clear strategy and executed perfectly
5. Having Swallow, LT on our books with year left of contract and Goldie for 2 years with not a hint of interest in keeping them, by us or anyone else, is surely a failure of list management. Surely when Andrew indicated his interest in Suns we could have at least pretended we remained keen on a contracted player rather than appearing to pack his bags
6. We hope desperately for our young guys but it wasn't just media bias that kept all of our year players out of the AA U22 this year

As a North follower of 30+ years, just a tad glum tonight - sorry to vent for so long ...

Spot on

 

[Qld Mid]

2) Sorry but just rubbish. Unprepared? Why did we depart like we did and decide to go to the draft. Plan a was a small percentage chance. Unprepared? The CWA never run out of wool and they are not being paid!

And 'sure none of them wanted to leave the club'.
Just realised that you are a troll. As George W once said About being fooled.

Damo. Just please go away! You need to travel and breath and find the source of your anger. After all, your anger will destroy you.

I can assure you I've reached the stage in life where I ain't bothering to type a 30 min diatribe for the purposes of trolling - but getting responses like this has made me seriously question the wisdom of bothering to write at all

 

[Jindrrk]

Twinkletoes here you go mate

 

[ozzyoslo]

Swallow and Thomas playing senior footy next year will make it more likely we finish bottom three tbf.

But it would sway kids to ask to be traded out end of next season.

 

[ozzyoslo]

Nobody wanted Goldstein. His play this season made sure of that. Reading between the lines with Joyce's comments, if someone had offered us something for him we would have taken it.

But what about the infinite dicks FG ?? .... Say it isnt so , Joe ?

 

[ozzyoslo]

Ah damn is he that bad haha?

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kicks

 

[ozzyoslo]

I'll publish it!

Sorry NN I edited your post mate !! For fact !!

 

[Snake_Baker]

Yep was watching that thread with interest all last season, now blown away with where we ended up points wise...

We ditched a pick for next year.

Add 347 points to our tally and we head the list of sides that didn't trade.

 

[ozzyoslo]

Has the dust settled yet ??

 

[Snake_Baker]

Has the dust settled yet ??

What dust? It is what it is.

 

[Unity-28]

Could have had a 2nd rounder and a future 2nd rounder in a super draft for Goldy but didn’t take it?

What the **** are we doing

what? if that was offered, it would have been done, unless your talking about last year?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Any DFA's worth pursuing?

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Two picks in the top 25 is nice, one of them in the top 4 is exciting. Better position for next year's draft is a good thing. Not overvaluing players with known limitations just to do something in trade week is a good thing. Keeping Mountford is a positive.

Take a couple of high picks, a couple of late speculative picks/rookies, keep the young band from this season together, get Ahern onthe field, get back Williams/Wood/whole injury list, prepare for the 2018 and 2019draft and trade seasons, kick off the VFL program, reshuffle the coaches so Tudor gets back to more impact, bring in good replacements for Alex and the other one, and let's see what happens.

 

[Passmore]

We ditched a pick for next year.

Add 347 points to our tally and we head the list of sides that didn't trade.

We've paid for Crocker points wise with the pick trade.

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[Snake_Baker]

We've paid for Crocker points wise with the pick trade.

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It still depends on the bids for Thomas, Blakey (?) & Scott

 

[Qld Mid]

Out treatment of Gibson and Mullet (and less so Hanson) was downright embarrassing-what on earth did we gain in delisting and humiliating them pre trade week? - it is possible that we just might have got a little something for Gibson in particular if we didn't so overtly devalue him (eg a combo offer to help us get pick 2 from GC) Regardless why make such a spectacle of them pre trade week ? What a shocking cultural message. And then the nerve to put up the Gibbo trade as one of only news stories on the North site post
Trade week!!

Big news at North:

 

[Qld Mid]

Whilst at Blues

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

The reports said we tried. You have no idea what we offered.

A phone call at 1.55pm on thursday to GC with ....how about Swallow and 4 for 2 ..does not constitute a legal 'offer' - it had no value.

 

[Snake_Baker]

A phone call at 1.55pm on thursday to GC with ....how about Swallow and 4 for 2 ..does not constitute a legal 'offer' - it had no value.

Really, what's the big issue whether he stays or goes? I don't get it.

 

[Passmore]

Whilst at Blues
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They scored well with a wantaway player. They picked up 3 middling players and shuffled draft picks.

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[Qld Mid]

They scored well with a wantaway player. They picked up 3 middling players and shuffled draft picks.

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As giantroos table showed they ended up with 1300 more trade value points then us and 2 players we would be happy to have - luck, list manager skills, whatever ... their trade outcome infinitely better than ours especially considering our identical finishing positions

 

[gokangas]

Could have had a 2nd rounder and a future 2nd rounder in a super draft for Goldy but didn’t take it?

What the **** are we doing

Only thing that makes this hard to believe is that you would think we would have grabbed this in a heartbeat. If true and we knocked it back - WTF?

 

[Passmore]

As giantroos table showed they ended up with 1300 more trade value points then us and 2 players we would be happy to have - luck, list manager skills, whatever ... their trade outcome infinitely better than ours especially considering our identical finishing positions

Yeah they traded Gibbs. Who wanted out for 2 years. That's the points difference.

They gained 3 average footballers. Bravo Carlton.

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