List Mgmt. 2017 Trade & Free Agency Discussion thread II

[Jindrrk]

well than

TBH, and no disrespect to Snowroo; but I was expecting that NO dice on that first response from you.

 

[Tas]

Posters were buried for suggesting to trade Swallow the last couple of years and he was actively pursuing it lol

Who was buried? I've raised the problem with Cunnington/Ziebell/Swallow in the middle since before Swallow's injury and after the Achilles he has been a shadow of his former self, can't imagine anyone would being against releasing Andrew from his commitment. It was just unrealistic while GC had a super midfield, it has declined radically over the last few years and there is scope for him to play a role there now.

 

[Tas]

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If even we do get Lang, who does he replace in the 22? Hopefully they are all fit come round 1.

Most sides would have theoretical issues fitting their best 30 or so players into the best 22, however, reality is form will fluctuate and a fair number will be injured and there will be scope to play a number of players over the course of a season.

Generally speaking, I would like to see Higgins spend more time at half-forward, he does more scoreboard damage there imo. I thought I read that Clarke will also be spending time in the back line next year, not sure if that is accurate.

You want there to be competition for spots, even when rebuilding, there is nothing worse than having to play someone because you don't have any other options.

 

[Rooboy 96]

TBH, and no disrespect to Snowroo; but I was expecting that NO dice on that first response from you.

I am trying to be more receptive to trade suggestions.

 

[Jindrrk]

You only have to survive one more day Horace ..... It will all die down then

You mean after bagging the club, list management.....Brad Scott and why didnt we do this, and why didnt we do that etc etc for a few more days.

 

[buttsauce]

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If even we do get Lang, who does he replace in the 22? Hopefully they are all fit come round 1.

Please not Jacobs

 

[Jindrrk]

I am trying to be more receptive to trade suggestions.

Flexibility and openness = good

If anyone received dice etc from me.....its more just having a laugh....than to be ultra critical.....I would just like to put that in the record. But the response still is a no when I do

 

[Horace]

You only have to survive one more day Horace ..... It will all die down then

Thank god.

 

[Sheezel2Wardlaw]

Most sides would have theoretical issues fitting their best 30 or so players into the best 22, however, reality is form will fluctuate and a fair number will be injured and there will be scope to play a number of players over the course of a season.

Generally speaking, I would like to see Higgins spend more time at half-forward, he does more scoreboard damage there imo. I thought I read that Clarke will also be spending time in the back line next year, not sure if that is accurate.

You want there to be competition for spots, even when rebuilding, there is nothing worse than having to play someone because you don't have any other options.

I understand all that but possibly a reason why Lang hasnt come out and said 'get me to Norf.' Maybe he sees himself as walk up start at GC or Carlton before us.

 

[Kciza]

Hibberd is a half back and Sympkin, McDonald & Mountford all play outside (which is where we want them)

Ahern aside, none of those blokes were drafted as midfielders. Lang actually was an underage midfielder.

Langs 2013 draft description



And:

Darcy Lang (Geelong Falcons)

Height: 181 cm
Weight: 79 kg
Position: Midfielder
Player comparison: Luke Ball
Strengths: Contested ball, vision, endurance
Weaknesses: Pure inside, some injury concerns

Darcy Lang is one of the most underrated players in the TAC Cup for season 2013. He plays for the Geelong Falcons and is in the same midfield as Lewis Taylor, James Tsitas and Nic Bourke which might explain why he might be considered the ‘forgotten man’ when opposition teams discuss how to stop the mighty Falcons.

Lang is similar to Tsitas in the way he buries himself under packs and gets out the hard ball time and time again to the outside midfielders such as Lewis Taylor or Matthew Boag. He doesn’t find the ball as much as Tsitas but uses it a little better in pressure situations.

He has fantastic vision from under a pack and can rapid fire a handball out to a running teammate very similar to North Ballarat’s Matt Crouch. While he might not be as highly touted as Crouch, if you were to need a similar player later in the draft, Lang might be the guy to turn to.

He does prefer to handball it a fair bit but his kicking is far from inefficient, hitting more targets than not which helps him maintain his spot in such a strong midfield. He was impressing at the Under 18s Championships before injury struck him down.

A terrible ankle injury that has ruled him out of playing football since the fateful day against Vic Metro at Etihad Stadium has seen question marks arise as to who he’ll end up athletically. From all reports so far, his injury was bad, but it shouldn’t affect his football career.

Ideally it might set him back a little bit in terms of pre-season training as he aims to build the strength and confidence he would have lost not to mention match fitness. Lang is a tough, uncompromising midfielder and it is unlikely he’ll be affected too much by the injury and just glad it didn’t need reconstructing.

His weakness being "pure inside" might explain why he's been pretty mediocre playinig at half forward/wing for the Cats

 

[kaboom kid]

You mean after bagging the club, list management.....Brad Scott and why didnt we do this, and why didnt we do that etc etc for a few more days.

Ok, fair enough......forgot to allow a few extra days for the massive fume around our inactivity to die down. Plus hypothetical trades we could have done. This board is a bit like that volcano in Bali at the moment....

 

[FloozyRoozy]

Another boring trade period by North oh well I suppose it's better than picking up another Anderson

 

[kaboom kid]

Most sides would have theoretical issues fitting their best 30 or so players into the best 22, however, reality is form will fluctuate and a fair number will be injured and there will be scope to play a number of players over the course of a season.

Generally speaking, I would like to see Higgins spend more time at half-forward, he does more scoreboard damage there imo. I thought I read that Clarke will also be spending time in the back line next year, not sure if that is accurate.

You want there to be competition for spots, even when rebuilding, there is nothing worse than having to play someone because you don't have any other options.

Yes surely competition for spots is a good thing? Would put the frighteners on Dumont for example. He then has his best pre-season and comes out firing round one

 

[Jindrrk]

Another boring trade period by North oh well I suppose it's better than picking up another Anderson

Eh? You mean by North and about 14-15 other sides....and theres still 2 days to go. There's been several sides who we havent even heard from. Boring trade period, period. Would of been exciting if there was bombshells from other clubs. But nothing....yet. Well not much.

And the last few years have been quite good IMO.

Plus the most sensible strategy is to keep our picks and use pick a player, ie Lang, using late picks and to improve our draft position. If you came into this trade period expecting much different....then you were always going to be disappointed mate.

 

[FloozyRoozy]

Eh? You mean by North and about 14-15 other sides....and theres still 2 days to go. There's been several sides who we havent even heard from. Boring trade period, period. Would of been exciting if there was bombshells from other clubs. But nothing....yet. Well not much.

And the last few years have been quite good IMO.

Plus the most sensible strategy is to keep our picks and use pick a player, ie Lang, using late picks and to improve our draft position. If you came into this trade period expecting much different....then you were always going to be disappointed mate.

Agree with everything you've said but quite frankly I'm over hearing about players being linked to us and then choosing another side over us! Lang wants to go to Carlton.

I don't understand why no players want to come to North. The fact that we can retain so many players and no one really requests a trade unless they're on the outs (swallow) shows that our culture is really healthy and the players believe in the direction the club is headed. Can't understand what's not appealing about that?

 

[Tas]

I understand all that but possibly a reason why Lang hasnt come out and said 'get me to Norf.' Maybe he sees himself as walk up start at GC or Carlton before us.

If that is the case, then he is a better fit for Carlton. I'd prefer us to target players that think they are good enough to compete for a spot.

 

[Yoko and me]

Said a thousand times already, but that Motlop pick was criminal. I once felt sorry for Geelong playing their home final away, but receiving Pick 18 for a player they were hardly interested in resigning themselves reminded me of just how much luck has gone their way. Another sign of how far the AFL has to go.

WWF drama plates? Where Trump learnt his' powerful man' persona. Drama plates are fluid in afl. Luck is a lack of luck in injuries or attitude. Port Adelaide had rude health and still missed out. Drama plates only go so far. As the whole thing is stage managed for ultimate entertainment buy the afl, we are not overly relevant. A term some media duck came up with after talking to his masters. I would suggest we ask Vince McMahon about luck within an organisation. Prissy entitled people make rules that keep the advertisers. We have no powerful owners to object so there is no scope to cajole or threaten those with tents at the races. They change the brand to what the sponsors want. Barrett is on this payroll but I am not totally sure he knows It. The narrative will not suit us for a while. Not until the northern clubs roar, fulfil their full bean stalk potential, or sunburn the crap out of anyone silly enough to put a football team against them. Then we may become romantic. The afl pricks may give us some leeway with the academy picks from tassy, but it will be with a nudge. How do the clubs let such a sycophantic leadership lead them?

 

[Yoko and me]

A break away scare might cause the AFL to put some other international Competition sensible rules in place. I don't want to watch WWF football. I am sorry for Gary ablett and his family.

But the change of rules and the inability of the clubs to have clarity is ridiculous. Dustin Martin's visy like channel nine deal should, and hopefully will cost Richmond draft picks in the future. We have clever people at our club but we are on a hiding to nothing when the media arm want to make us irrelevant and disposable and relocatable. Watched gf with ex Fitzroy people that had converted to Richmond. They were flat. Thought they had their hearts in it pregame

 

[Jindrrk]

Agree with everything you've said but quite frankly I'm over hearing about players being linked to us and then choosing another side over us! Lang wants to go to Carlton.

I don't understand why no players want to come to North. The fact that we can retain so many players and no one really requests a trade unless they're on the outs (swallow) shows that our culture is really healthy and the players believe in the direction the club is headed. Can't understand what's not appealing about that?

Well the issue is that we were mostly competing with the clubs they were already at....rather than other opposition teams. We always knew Dusty was going to re-sign. And by all reports it was very close anyway and seems like Puma came to the rescue. But most of us didnt think it was going to happen. Most times players stay at their club. A lot of times people dont like change as well. UNless they're unhappy.....not getting games or not enough $$. We've only really missed out on two players.

Josh on the other hand is chasing a premiership and probably didnt see us competing for one in the next two years. So a logical choice for him was to re-sign at the club he was already at. And by all reports we are next in line as his next destination. By then we will have a crop of good young talent for him to proceed with the rest of his career with and other players with more development in them.

Other than that we really haven't missed out on anyone else. Heeney.....but once again also re-signed with the club he's at.

We're also close to the bottom, but still competitive.

If we miss out on Lang....its no worries. He would choose a team that is supposed to be on the rise. Good coach and a side that has chased him for a couple of years.

We had other players come to the club...Higgin, Hrovat and co. I dont think there is any problem there.

 

[Harris 10]

Very early on I posted that we needed to make a call on our direction and then go all in on achieving it.

We've now made the call publicly that we are going to the draft.

So I don't care how but find a way to get more top end picks, if this results in casualties to club favourites then so be it.

 

[Zondor]

Flexibility and openness = good

The same can be said about Half Tonne Mom. :stern look

 

[Istanbul Roo]

Why? Why Taz or for that matter Cunners or Higgins? Why?

Taz has probably got at least 4 good years in front of him, Cunners 5 to 7 and Higgins at least 4.

Do people not understand that these players are established, talented AFL footballers, as opposed to unproven potential in draft picks that some are suggesting we recruit in their place.

In my view it is madness to get rid of established footballers and go heavily into a draft that in any year can be a lottery but quite possibly even more so this year. And it becomes even more of a lottery when you reduce the number of experienced capable footballers around them, so important in teaching the draft picks that we have and have to have as part of the system.

Horace, its the trade season madness. For some of our posters a bird in the bush is worth two in the hand ...

 

[Istanbul Roo]

Very early on I posted that we needed to make a call on our direction and then go all in on achieving it.

We've now made the call publicly that we are going to the draft.

So I don't care how but find a way to get more top end picks, if this results in casualties to club favourites then so be it.

shortsighted

 

[The chorus]

I don't buy the theory that trading away your good players for draft picks is the best way to rebuild. A couple of years ago St. Kilda were quoted as an example of how to rebuild: they let Goddard, dal Santo and McEvoy go and traded in a lot of draft picks. So far, that has produced several seasons of very poor performance and now a rise to mid ladder. Will they go much higher? I'm not convinced. Despite the optimism of the "traders" on this board, players like Cunnington and Tarrant would not get us a top end draft pick. so why trade away known good players for uncertain mid range draft picks? the only player who might get us a top end pick is Ben Brown and it would be madness to trade him

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Very early on I posted that we needed to make a call on our direction and then go all in on achieving it.

We've now made the call publicly that we are going to the draft.

So I don't care how but find a way to get more top end picks, if this results in casualties to club favourites then so be it.

Except that a clear direction doesn't mean putting all your eggs in the basket of one draft. If we expect a good crop next year, we can spread our efforts out. Selling any of our best players and leaders cheaply to get more picks this year (no-one is very excited about trading, which says something) reminds me of those years clubs said they had five picks in the top 37 (or something random like that) and this single draft would set them up for future success. Has not worked out that way once.