List Mgmt. 2018 Draft Prospects aka the West and Khamis thread

[Deadly Darcy]

Now the shit show is over, if Rozee is there at 7 and Smith is gone, surely he is exactly the type we need for our 1/2 forward line? I'd also very happily bid at Blakey as the swans will take him anyway but he'd be an even better fit. I'd still take Smith above either but think he'll go to GC at 6 as their midfield is as ****ed as their everything else.....


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[Wizard17]

what the knock on Khamis, why does he slip so late in the draft?

He really looks a player from the footage I’ve seen. I reckon he will be a steal

He is a bit light on atm. Needs development time.

 

[Here we go dogs]

But they've also got Sam Day, Rory Thompson, Peter Wright, who are all pretty good players. They are 99.9% getting Lukosius too.

Bailey Smith is exactly what they need right now; they need him significantly more than we need him too. As it stands right now, I cannot see them not taking him at 6, and that likely leaves us with King, who is a damn good player and fills our needs better.

That’s a good point, they will have a lot kp players if the pick up the kings.

I don’t see key position player as a need for the dogs, I think we lack a third tall forward (has to bring a reasonable level of pressure), dynamic small forward and a fast burst mid.

I haven’t seen a lot of footage of b king, but I think he looks to lack agression in the air, a bit like Schache.

Plus his seriously raw, massive risk picking up a skinny agile forward as you don’t know how putting on weight affects his elite speed and agility

 

[Here we go dogs]

He is a bit light on atm. Needs development time.

Thanks mate, does he have any forward craft?

 

[LordC]

I am a little concerned that we will miss out on Khamis.

We used 7, match West which should be covered mostly by pick 27. Next is pick 32 (it might move back a little dependent on how early West gets nominated but probably no later than pick 36/37.

If Khamis is not bid on before then do we take him regardless or pick another kid? A pick in the 30's is valuable in this draft and likely to see many good prospects available.

Also confused as to why we are attributed 7 picks in our draft analysis (7, 27, 32, 45, 63, 75, 82) when we have only 3 lists spots available, technically 5 but they the final two spots are reserved for Lynch and Gowers.

I think 6 vacancies is the right amount going into the draft as it allows all picks with points to be live as well as an extra (75) to allow for the scenario above to play out. This means Honeychurch goes or Webb retires (I think Campbell has to stay).

Ideally we package 32, 45 & 63 to move our third pick early enough to get another kid before Khamis. GWS have 25 & 52 (a 41 point favour going their way). Which would leave use with 7 (King or Smith), 25 (likely West), 27 (?), 52 (Khamis) , 75 (Gowers) & 82 (Lynch). GWS only likely to bite however if they plan on using a 6th pick as our offer improves their 5th (52 up to 45) and 6th (89 up to 63) picks (they have only lost 5 players off their list to date).

Only risk is going into debt a little for Khamis, 52 covers up down to pick 40. However Blakey is likely going to cost Swans picks 26 & 33 if bid at 8, Thomas costs North 42 47 & 48 if bid at around 11 (where North's first pick was) and Quaynor cost Collingwood 41,44 & 51 if bid around 18. Which would move pick 52 up to 47 which covers bids down to 36.

 

[Glenn Barclay]

I'm hoping to ad another Bailey to our team with our first pick

 

[Wizard17]

Thanks mate, does he have any forward craft?

Very good backman wouldn't move him from half back. He is an intercept king.

 

[JJHunter]

I am a little concerned that we will miss out on Khamis.

We used 7, match West which should be covered mostly by pick 27. Next is pick 32 (it might move back a little dependent on how early West gets nominated but probably no later than pick 36/37.

If Khamis is not bid on before then do we take him regardless or pick another kid? A pick in the 30's is valuable in this draft and likely to see many good prospects available.

Also confused as to why we are attributed 7 picks in our draft analysis (7, 27, 32, 45, 63, 75, 82) when we have only 3 lists spots available, technically 5 but they the final two spots are reserved for Lynch and Gowers.

I think 6 vacancies is the right amount going into the draft as it allows all picks with points to be live as well as an extra (75) to allow for the scenario above to play out. This means Honeychurch goes or Webb retires (I think Campbell has to stay).

Ideally we package 32, 45 & 63 to move our third pick early enough to get another kid before Khamis. GWS have 25 & 52 (a 41 point favour going their way). Which would leave use with 7 (King or Smith), 25 (likely West), 27 (?), 52 (Khamis) , 75 (Gowers) & 82 (Lynch). GWS only likely to bite however if they plan on using a 6th pick as our offer improves their 5th (52 up to 45) and 6th (89 up to 63) picks (they have only lost 5 players off their list to date).

Only risk is going into debt a little for Khamis, 52 covers up down to pick 40. However Blakey is likely going to cost Swans picks 26 & 33 if bid at 8, Thomas costs North 42 47 & 48 if bid at around 11 (where North's first pick was) and Quaynor cost Collingwood 41,44 & 51 if bid around 18. Which would move pick 52 up to 47 which covers bids down to 36.

Thats some bloody impressive analysis there !!
Forgot really that picks can improve on draft night because of the Blakely and Atrry Thomas scenarios !
Thats very well thought out - You want Sam Powers email address?

 

[VitalDread]

what the knock on Khamis, why does he slip so late in the draft?

He really looks a player from the footage I’ve seen. I reckon he will be a steal

Think it comes down to teams, most teams are already set with lock down defenders so they will look for other players

Khamis has the ability to play as key defender, forward and ruck

 

[Antares]

I think any true Gun AFL forward has an ability to pack mark and Im not sure that given I cant see him ever filling out that will be Ben. More so he may play more like Hipwood from the Lions as a forward who is always going to be limited because of his lack of muscle and size.

What? Tall forward draftees almost always start out skinny.

Hell, even the ones that retain the slim bodytype, you're trying to suggest they can't become a "true" gun key forward? That sounds like the no true scotsman fallacy to me; are you saying Gunston is not a """true""" gun key forward?

 

[Yojimbo]

Khamis has the ability to play as key defender, forward and ruck

Khamis also played Harry Potter in his schools play this year, very talented kid.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Khamis also played Harry Potter in his schools play this year, very talented kid.

Post of the year.

 

[Antares]

 

[JJHunter]

What? Tall forward draftees almost always start out skinny.

Hell, even the ones that retain the slim bodytype, you're trying to suggest they can't become a "true" gun key forward? That sounds like the no true scotsman fallacy to me; are you saying Gunston is not a """true""" gun key forward?

I don't consider Gunston a key position fwd no. Not in the traditional sense anyway.
Reiwoldt wasn't 200cm
Rewioldt had broad shoulders even then.

The Kings will not fill out iMO. The majority of that body type dont.
Just my opinion - you clearly dont agree and thats fine.
For every pitcure you show of a 200cm forward of a simialr body type that developed Id be able to provide two who never filled out and did not become a "Gun" Key forward. Jarryd Grant says hi ;-)

Just saw your other pictures - the Text Walker one lol

 

[Antares]

I don't consider Gunston a key position fwd no. Not in the traditional sense anyway.

Why?

Reiwoldt wasn't 200cm

So? Being 10cm taller isn't going to affect his ability to build muscle.

Rewioldt had broad shoulders even then.

What the? Shoulders?

Gary Ablett Snr & Jnr have shoulders steeper than the north face of the eiger, do they look skinny to you?

The Kings will not fill out iMO. The majority of that body type dont.

You have no way of proving that.

Jarryd Grant says hi ;-)

That's one example of a guy who's always been skinny. If you're still persisting with the height thing, Jarrad Grant was only ever as tall as 193cm.

The reality is, how strong a player gets depends on their training regime in the pre-season and how much weight they put on. Stuff like height means nothing; if the coaching staff want to make Ben King a gorilla forward, he'll put on the kilos. If they want him to retain a more slender, agile frame, he'll put on less weight.

 

[stefoid]

I don't consider Gunston a key position fwd no. Not in the traditional sense anyway.
Reiwoldt wasn't 200cm
Rewioldt had broad shoulders even then.

The Kings will not fill out iMO. The majority of that body type dont.
Just my opinion - you clearly dont agree and thats fine.
For every pitcure you show of a 200cm forward of a simialr body type that developed Id be able to provide two who never filled out and did not become a "Gun" Key forward. Jarryd Grant says hi ;-)

Just saw your other pictures - the Text Walker one lol

broad shoulders doesnt guarentee anything. Stringer (and if you look, J brown in the image above) have very narrow shoulders and are built like brick shithouses, and the reverse is also entirely possible - its about the muscle, not the skeleton. Some people just have more muscle. Stringers shouldes are crazy narrow actually.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Hello,
I've just come to see your thoughts about who you expect to get at pick 7. If it's a choice between Ben King and Bailey Smith, who do you think you will take?
I'd be interested in your opinions or whispers (if any) you might have heard about who your club is keen on. Thanks in advance.

The word is we are keen on Smith and Rozee

 

[CaptainMurphy]

The reason I’m asking is because it’s highly likely the big 3 SA kids go in the top 5, and rumour has that Gold Coast are keen on Caldwell at pick 6. If they go that way, it means Ben king and Smith will still be on the board, and Adelaide could pick whoever you don’t.
Personally I’d love to get Smith if we don’t trade up for Rankine.

Where have you heard the Caldwell info?

 

[Mofra]

The Kings have Joe Daniher's body shape. Joe Daniher has the tools to be the no 1 forward in the competition if he learns to kick straighter.
Ben Brown isn't a monster either.

Remind me how that hulking monster Dustin Fletcher went again? This obsession in size when players are specifically being trained to cover ground first, wrestle an opponent second is a distraction. Tom Boyd and Jono Patten are two naturally bulky forwards, Jeremy Cameron is naturally skinny. You could argue that a 200cm+ forward or swingman should stay skinny really because playing to their advantage will mean moving and reaching rather than just trying to wrestle an opponent.

If we select a King I won't complain, I'd love a Rozee to fall but I don't see that happening. I expect Adelaide to have St Kilda's pick 4 by the time draft night selection time rolls around.

 

[Antares]

If we select a King I won't complain, I'd love a Rozee to fall but I don't see that happening. I expect Adelaide to have St Kilda's pick 4 by the time draft night selection time rolls around.

If this were to happen, things would get very freaky. I don't think any interstate clubs would be brave enough to take a King away from his brother, so we may well get the pick of Max & Ben in that scenario.

That said, I think it's more likely pick 3 is the one which gets traded, although that's also a bit of a long shot. GC probably want two SA boys, but they also seem to be very interested in future picks, and both Adelaide & Port will likely offer overs. I can only see Port getting that deal done so they can pick up Rankine at 3 & GC still get Rozee at 5(upgraded from 6 in a deal).

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

The Kings have Joe Daniher's body shape. Joe Daniher has the tools to be the no 1 forward in the competition if he learns to kick straighter.
Ben Brown isn't a monster either.

Remind me how that hulking monster Dustin Fletcher went again? This obsession in size when players are specifically being trained to cover ground first, wrestle an opponent second is a distraction. Tom Boyd and Jono Patten are two naturally bulky forwards, Jeremy Cameron is naturally skinny. You could argue that a 200cm+ forward or swingman should stay skinny really because playing to their advantage will mean moving and reaching rather than just trying to wrestle an opponent.

If we select a King I won't complain, I'd love a Rozee to fall but I don't see that happening. I expect Adelaide to have St Kilda's pick 4 by the time draft night selection time rolls around.

How would Adelaide get it? Am I right that the trading is only in picks so wouldn’t they need something closer to 4 to trade at the moment they have 8,13,16.


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[ringa5]

If Gold Coast are worried about recruiting
South Aussies.Then they would be more worried about recruiting twins.They will take both or none.

 

[Antares]

How would Adelaide get it? Am I right that the trading is only in picks so wouldn’t they need something closer to 4 to trade at the moment they have 8,13,16.


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You can trade future picks too, and the Gold Coast very much like future picks. They picked up Brisbane's in a fairly good deal during the trade period.

 

[LittleG]

Was there another FS who tested this year?
Kellet?

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Was there another FS who tested this year?
Kellet?

Kellett is next year