List Mgmt. 2018 NAB AFL Draft: November 22nd & 23rd

Who would you prefer with our first selection?

  • Max King

    Votes: 91 38.1%
  • Bailey Smith

    Votes: 47 19.7%
  • Connor Rozee

    Votes: 17 7.1%
  • Jye Caldwell

    Votes: 37 15.5%
  • Unknown Smokey?

    Votes: 4 1.7%
  • Jack Lukosious

    Votes: 12 5.0%
  • Isak Rankine

    Votes: 72 30.1%
  • Ben King

    Votes: 7 2.9%
  • Sam Walsh

    Votes: 13 5.4%

  • Total voters
    239
  • Poll closed .

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still salty from the 04 prelim, you may have been one of the ones that ran out on the ground?, in all seriousness tredrea is highly underrated but i wouldnt put him above riewoldt, im not sure where you get the idea im under rating riewoldt all im saying is that JL is the closest thing to riewoldt in the past 10 years so you wouldnt pass on him if you got the chance
Josh Battle > JL
 
still salty from the 04 prelim, you may have been one of the ones that ran out on the ground?, in all seriousness tredrea is highly underrated but i wouldnt put him above riewoldt, im not sure where you get the idea im under rating riewoldt all im saying is that JL is the closest thing to riewoldt in the past 10 years so you wouldnt pass on him if you got the chance
Your mother would have passed on you if she had her time again.
 

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Oh dear, Mr. PA. That post shows how little you saw of Riewoldt. It could be you aren't much of a judge, or perhaps your PA bias has got the better of you. I saw Riewoldt as a junior playing against men. He was special even then. As clear a number one that there has ever been. JL is not even in the same universe. When Riewoldt came to the club he was a superb field kick and a dead eye dick. His kicking for goal was unreliable at times, but overall his statistics suggest he was amongst the best in that category, for overall effectiveness.

As for the tired cliche that he marked mainly on the lead, let me set the record straight. The only better contested mark I've ever seen was another saint, Stewart Loewe, who was blessed by nature with unusually enormous hands. Riewoldt also holds the record for the most marks in the history of the comp. You can't achieve that by marking mainly "on the lead". Ask any defender who had the misfortune to play on him and they'll tell you he was one of the most complete players to ever play. My old man told me he reminded him of Whitten. A trusted SA source compared him to Barry Robran, a South Australian. I threw him in just so you might recognise a name.

We all favour our clubs' champions and underrate the opposition's. That is the confirmation bias that afflicts all supporters, the classic example being the Heath Shaw reference you plucked out. For every one of those, I'll give you a hundred where he turned or won a game for us. Riewoldt's record towers above all but a few in the game's pantheon. If your precious Tredders had been half as good as our Roo, Port would have a few more cups in the cabinet.

Brilliantly put.
 
still salty from the 04 prelim, you may have been one of the ones that ran out on the ground?, in all seriousness tredrea is highly underrated but i wouldnt put him above riewoldt, im not sure where you get the idea im under rating riewoldt all im saying is that JL is the closest thing to riewoldt in the past 10 years so you wouldnt pass on him if you got the chance

Where did we get the idea that you were under rating Riewoldt?

Was it when you said he was an unreliable kick at goal
Or
Took most of his marks on the lead therefore didn't take many contested marks
Or
Suffered from brain fades.

Hmmmm might have been one of those me thinks. Lol.
JL might turn out to be a good player or he might turn out to be a Spencer White ( player who promised so much but never delivered) we won't know for some years yet so it's a bit early to be comparing him to one of the game greats.


Go Saints
 
I read this after posting mine, Brains Trust66. Sorry about my plagiarism. Great minds and all that......

That's cool, I rip off other people all the time lol.


Go Saints
 
I think Max King's name will be announced for the saints pick 4, but personally think Bailey Smith is the smarter option for us, especially reading how the kid prepares like a pro already etc
 
I'm still on Max as a best available pick in a superstar top 10.

I understand the notion that we should be drafting for mids but we need a grade quality throughout the field, we can't pick for needs at pick 4.

I have Smith below Caldwell in my order, that's not to stir up the Smith lovers. I just see something longer term in Jye that I don't see in Smith. I see Smith as a bull, perhaps similar to Danger, but I don't think he will be the best mid from this year's draft over a career. Smith is already getting a lot out of himself and may well continue to grow in an elite environment but I see Jye having the elite traits of a gun mid and will flourish in an elite environment. He is only behind Walsh as pure mids in this draft.

As previously said I still think King is the way to go though. We do not currently have any elite tall forwards, Paddy may never become what we hoped, Bruce is a good honest battler but has been found out when he is our #1, Battle excites me but he is still raw and no guarantee to become a star, Membrey is too small to be a 'tall', Marshall isnt Buddy.

We have heaps of OK mids on our list yet to reach their potential, but I don't believe Smith should be heaped into the Kelly, Dusty or Shiel category - he will just join the long line of potential mids on our list. He won't leapfrog guys like Hunter and Gresh instantly, if ever. It's too risky to overlook the best available when it's as good as King.

As for Rozee, Shifter said in the phantom draft podcast that he was carrying an injury in the champs. He was BOG in the U16 Carnival playing as a mid (note Caldwell was ahead of Walsh as VicC BOG too) so he obviously has some serious ability. We've gotten him to tour Moorabbin so clearly there is a bit of love there.

Having said all of that, that's just my opinion and I won't be shattered with any of the top 8 options in reality, even if that is Smith.
 
Back to trades please guys. Mr. PA is having a holiday. Won't be back. Cheers :thumbsu:

Well done George was hoping someone would get rid of that joker.


Go Saints
 
We also have to remember we will be taking 5 players in the draft. If we take a key forward with our first pick we can still take midfielders later in the draft.

Plenty of guys around the 36-46 mark that will really suit our needs.

That area of the draft seems to be full of midfielders or players with pace.
 
A lot of people saying M King is best available and a rare talent. Are we basing that mostly on the highlights of that game where he played on a kid about a foot shorter than him? Who was that kid, was he a gun defender that destroys most forwards? How many goals did King average in 2017? Genuine questions.

We are stocked for forwards, we will never know how good they are until we fix our pathetic midfield. Another tall forward with a dodgy knee is going to give us nothing until Jack Steven & Hannberry are long gone.

Can never have too many good mids. Smith or Caldwell for me thanks.
 
Just had my first look at Caldwell highlights. He looks good to me, has that ability that Lenny Hayes had of taking on a tackle but still able to get a good hand pass away to a player in space. I agree with BlacreJacks about preferring him over Smith. Jye looks topclass to me, and of course he will join the other players at the Saints whose first name starts with a J lol. Be great if we could somehow get Max and Jye.


Go Saints
 
I just don’t see anything special in Smith, he seems very one sided, always running to his right. (Only saw him run into his left a few times in the SA game and he turned it over each time)
Doesn’t seem to be as fast as made out to be. I Dunno there’s just something ‘meh’ about him.

If we draft him I’ll back him in Obviously, but I’m still praying that Rankine makes it to us. :praying:
 

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Here is a snippet of players taken from the draft central site that may be available with our second and third round picks that would fill a need on our list

#31 Ely Smith (Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country)


An omission from the initial Vic Country team, Smith has come on in leaps and bounds. His TAC Cup form was as good as anyone’s during the early part of the season, and he was rewarded with a call-up to Vic Country against Western Australia and was best on ground. From there, he earned a National Draft Combine invitation and showed off his top athleticism, in particular his vertical jump. A big-bodied inside midfielder, Smith is a fierce competitor and a player who teammates love to play alongside.


#33 Sydney Stack (Perth/Western Australia)

A balanced midfield who has the hardness of an inside midfielder and the skills of an outside midfielder. He is undersized for an inside midfielder so expect him to spend more time on the outside and still apply his defensive pressure to the ball carrier. Will battle Luke Foley for the third Western Australian taken, with at least five expected to be selected in the top 40. Stack can play other roles and can hit the scoreboard, but his balance between offence and defence is the most impressive ability in his arsenal.

#34 Toby Bedford (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)

Bedford is an electrifying forward who can play through the midfield, and is one of the best for high impact plays. He is a natural match-winner with great acceleration and agility, and that keen eye for goals. He is a player that opposition defenders have to pay close attention to, otherwise he will make them pay. A member of the Melbourne Next Generation Academy, a bid should come after their first selection, so expect them to match it fairly comfortably. Still raw and needs to find more of the football on a consistent basis, but a nice foundation of skills to progress to the next level in the future.


#36 Jarrod Cameron (Swan Districts/Western Australia)

The brother of Brisbane’s Charlie, Cameron is an identical small forward with equally high footy nous and goal sense inside 50. He is further progressed than his brother was at the same age, and has improved at a rapid rate this season. His five-goal performance against Vic Country at GMHBA Stadium in the National Under 18 Championships put his name up in lights and he has not looked back, finishing the WAFL season in ripping form for Swan Districts, standing up in big games and continuing to deliver. While he is not a huge accumulator of the football, he knows how to hit the scoreboard and has a high impact per possession.



#37 Jacob Kennerley (Norwood/South Australia)

The South Australian gut-runner is an outside midfielder who uses the ball cleanly and can play multiple roles across the field. He provides run and carry and wins plenty of the ball, making good decisions. He has good all-round athleticism and while he could improve his tackling pressure and build more size to his light frame, he has a well-balanced game and was one of the most notable improvers for South Australia at the National Under 18 Championships. Expect him to push for top 30, but around this late second/early third is about right. A good pick who is a safe selection.


#39 Will Hamill (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)

While the likes of Bailey Williams and Sam Sturt have caught the headlines, the classy Will Hamill continues to fly under the radar as a prospect with high upside. He is not a huge accumulator and is still quite skinny, but Hamill has that perfect blend of speed and skill, which clubs will turn to – possibly earlier than predicted. He is a smooth mover who has played predominantly off half-back, but also through the midfield such is his ability to work his way out of trouble. He might be more of a long-term prospect than an immediate walk-up starter, but Hamill is someone who could be considered one of the better steals if he develops as he could.

#40 Jack Bytel (Calder Cannons/Vic Metro)

The AFL Academy member was a top 30 prospect coming into the year, possibly top 20. But back issues throughout 2018 have seen him drop down the rankings and now the big-bodied inside midfielder looms as a player who can be snatched up mid-draft and provide instant value to any side in the AFL. He is readymade and capable of slotting into the midfield, is strong overhead and has a powerful kick. Bytel was co-captain of the Calder Cannons this season so he has natural leadership qualities to add to a young side, while having the immediate impact for a finals-bound team as well.

#41 Fraser Turner (Tasmania/Allies)

The outside runner from Tasmania has had a strong 2018 season, and was one of the more impressive players for the Allies in the National Under 18 Championships. He knows how to win the ball and get forward, and would add an extra element of class to any side. The next step is improving his contested work, but his outside game is very good, and expect his run and carry to be highly sought after in the draft. Another player amongst the mid-draft log-jam of players who have improvements to make but have a nice foundation base of traits from which clubs can build upon.

#42 Damon Greaves (East Perth/Western Australia)

Another West Australian who honestly seems a little underrated for what he offers. He has only played at Colts level in the WAFL which might be a knock on him, but he consistently racks up the ball, and even at the National Under 18 Championships before injury struck, Greaves showed he has good athletic traits. He uses the ball well under pressure, executing by hand or foot. He screams a bit of Tom Doedee, not in the same comparison, but in the way that he has traits which catch the eye and Greaves could go higher than what many might think. Good value at this stage and one player we rate.

#44 Jack Ross (Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro)

Ross is an interesting player to place. He just received a State Combine invitation, but looking at his overall profile, there is not a lot of deficiencies in his game. He is consistent, a leader, uses the ball pretty well, wins clearances, goes in hard, runs both ways and just gets the job done, week-in, week-out. There are not too many State Combine invitees who get drafted in the top 50 – usually one per year on average, but Ross could be that player. His ability to play a multitude of roles through the midfield helps, and he is more readymade than most to stand up against senior bodies. A good mid-draft prospect.

#45 Zac Foot (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)

The exciting Dandenong utility has the capability to do some amazing things on the football field, he just needs to find the consistency to take the next step. Foot is a remarkable story, coming from a long way back having missed initial selection for the Stingrays, coming into the program in 2018 and then bursting out of the blocks with a strong first half of the season to earn Vic Country honours. He had a quieter second half of the season, but still had some eye-catching moments, and he knows how to run and hit the scoreboard, playing inside or out, and has a good base from which clubs can work with at the next level, and a high scope of improvement.

#46 Tyron Smallwood (Claremont/Western Australia)

Not much has been said about the classy outside midfielder/small forward, but he earned a National Draft Combine invitation and is one of the players we rate as a mid-draft prospect. He just does a lot right and is a player who while undersized, is capable of being accountable for an opponent. He kicks goals and lays tackles, and can also move through the midfield with an ability to win the footy and drive it forward. He is not as quick as other small forwards, but he has fairly good evasion skills, and his ability to execute by hand or foot is impressive. Smallwood just seems like the type of player that clubs secretly want to drop and then call it a bargain later on, because he has some very draftable qualities.


#47 James Rowbottom (Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro)

Rowbottom is the well-publicised nephew of ‘BT’ (Brian Taylor) and is another one of many inside midfielders in the draft crop. He has good speed and never takes a backwards step, being one of the top clearance midfielders in the TAC Cup. He wins it on the inside, spreads to the outside and just keeps plugging away all day long. Rowbottom needs to improve his endurance, but he has the talent to keep improving, and the dedication to make sure it happens. Another one who could easily go earlier should a club like what he has to offer, but expect him to be a mid-draft option and a player who could slide into a senior side fairly early on, with Rowbottom just needing to sharpen up his kicking a bit.

#48 Laitham Vandermeer (Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country)

Had it not been for an unfortunate sling tackle in the National Under 18 Championships, Vandermeer’s year could have been even better. To that point, the overager was looking as good as any other 1999-born player going around in the TAC Cup, and it earned him a place in Vic Country’s side. His run-and-carry, dare and dash really excited fans, and he is the type of player that just takes off and does not fear taking the game on. He wins a lot of the football and while he is predominantly an outside player, he uses his speed to also apply defensive pressure, and fiercely attacks the ball carrier. One who could go later or as a rookie, but the need for speed is great in modern football, and Vandermeer has that need in spades.

#49 Harry Reynolds (Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro)

In the back half of the season, school footballers who did not get the call-up or choose not to play TAC Cup early in the season often throw on the jumper for the final month, and Reynolds is one of those. Not too dissimilar to Nathan Murphy the year before, Reynolds is that medium-tall utility who can play anywhere on the ground. Hailing from Brighton Grammar – the same school as Murphy – Reynolds is a nice kick of the football, and just knows how to find it. He is one of those dark horses of the draft that could be plucked out early given his scope for improvement.

#52 Riley Bowman (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)

It might be a bit strange to see the big man this far down after being so high initially, but as we see every year, rucks tend to drop towards November as the reality of whether or not talls are worth taking early continues to rage. As one of only a handful of genuine ruck talents, expect Bowman to land somewhere in the second half of the draft with some nice ruck work, but will be viewed as a long-term prospect. At times had a bit of an up-and-down year, but turned it on in the TAC Cup decider and was one of the best for the Stingrays, which gave clubs a huge indication of where he might fall.
 
I get it but King is a clear standout pick, you take best available every time.


I don't agree with that. He's not a clear standout pick. He's an unknown quantity that might make him a steal. Jake Stringer and Ryan Burton are examples of guys who were injured and went later because they were hard to assess on exposed form. Plenty of others have disappointing draft years and fall away when they do play so he's either a bargain or an overreach.
 
I don't agree with that. He's not a clear standout pick. He's an unknown quantity that might make him a steal. Jake Stringer and Ryan Burton are examples of guys who were injured and went later because they were hard to assess on exposed form. Plenty of others have disappointing draft years and fall away when they do play so he's either a bargain or an overreach.
I’m the real standout pick..
 
Just watched this video of 2004 Vic metro losing to WA with Franklin kicking a goal to put WA in front for the first time of the match with about 5 seconds to go in the game. What I found very interesting was the amount of players in both teams who I don't think went on to have afl careers, at least not long ones anyway. Shows how hard it is to make it.



Go Saints
 
Here is a snippet of players taken from the draft central site that may be available with our second and third round picks that would fill a need on our list

#31 Ely Smith (Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country)


An omission from the initial Vic Country team, Smith has come on in leaps and bounds. His TAC Cup form was as good as anyone’s during the early part of the season, and he was rewarded with a call-up to Vic Country against Western Australia and was best on ground. From there, he earned a National Draft Combine invitation and showed off his top athleticism, in particular his vertical jump. A big-bodied inside midfielder, Smith is a fierce competitor and a player who teammates love to play alongside.


#33 Sydney Stack (Perth/Western Australia)

A balanced midfield who has the hardness of an inside midfielder and the skills of an outside midfielder. He is undersized for an inside midfielder so expect him to spend more time on the outside and still apply his defensive pressure to the ball carrier. Will battle Luke Foley for the third Western Australian taken, with at least five expected to be selected in the top 40. Stack can play other roles and can hit the scoreboard, but his balance between offence and defence is the most impressive ability in his arsenal.

#34 Toby Bedford (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)

Bedford is an electrifying forward who can play through the midfield, and is one of the best for high impact plays. He is a natural match-winner with great acceleration and agility, and that keen eye for goals. He is a player that opposition defenders have to pay close attention to, otherwise he will make them pay. A member of the Melbourne Next Generation Academy, a bid should come after their first selection, so expect them to match it fairly comfortably. Still raw and needs to find more of the football on a consistent basis, but a nice foundation of skills to progress to the next level in the future.


#36 Jarrod Cameron (Swan Districts/Western Australia)

The brother of Brisbane’s Charlie, Cameron is an identical small forward with equally high footy nous and goal sense inside 50. He is further progressed than his brother was at the same age, and has improved at a rapid rate this season. His five-goal performance against Vic Country at GMHBA Stadium in the National Under 18 Championships put his name up in lights and he has not looked back, finishing the WAFL season in ripping form for Swan Districts, standing up in big games and continuing to deliver. While he is not a huge accumulator of the football, he knows how to hit the scoreboard and has a high impact per possession.



#37 Jacob Kennerley (Norwood/South Australia)

The South Australian gut-runner is an outside midfielder who uses the ball cleanly and can play multiple roles across the field. He provides run and carry and wins plenty of the ball, making good decisions. He has good all-round athleticism and while he could improve his tackling pressure and build more size to his light frame, he has a well-balanced game and was one of the most notable improvers for South Australia at the National Under 18 Championships. Expect him to push for top 30, but around this late second/early third is about right. A good pick who is a safe selection.


#39 Will Hamill (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)

While the likes of Bailey Williams and Sam Sturt have caught the headlines, the classy Will Hamill continues to fly under the radar as a prospect with high upside. He is not a huge accumulator and is still quite skinny, but Hamill has that perfect blend of speed and skill, which clubs will turn to – possibly earlier than predicted. He is a smooth mover who has played predominantly off half-back, but also through the midfield such is his ability to work his way out of trouble. He might be more of a long-term prospect than an immediate walk-up starter, but Hamill is someone who could be considered one of the better steals if he develops as he could.

#40 Jack Bytel (Calder Cannons/Vic Metro)

The AFL Academy member was a top 30 prospect coming into the year, possibly top 20. But back issues throughout 2018 have seen him drop down the rankings and now the big-bodied inside midfielder looms as a player who can be snatched up mid-draft and provide instant value to any side in the AFL. He is readymade and capable of slotting into the midfield, is strong overhead and has a powerful kick. Bytel was co-captain of the Calder Cannons this season so he has natural leadership qualities to add to a young side, while having the immediate impact for a finals-bound team as well.

#41 Fraser Turner (Tasmania/Allies)

The outside runner from Tasmania has had a strong 2018 season, and was one of the more impressive players for the Allies in the National Under 18 Championships. He knows how to win the ball and get forward, and would add an extra element of class to any side. The next step is improving his contested work, but his outside game is very good, and expect his run and carry to be highly sought after in the draft. Another player amongst the mid-draft log-jam of players who have improvements to make but have a nice foundation base of traits from which clubs can build upon.

#42 Damon Greaves (East Perth/Western Australia)

Another West Australian who honestly seems a little underrated for what he offers. He has only played at Colts level in the WAFL which might be a knock on him, but he consistently racks up the ball, and even at the National Under 18 Championships before injury struck, Greaves showed he has good athletic traits. He uses the ball well under pressure, executing by hand or foot. He screams a bit of Tom Doedee, not in the same comparison, but in the way that he has traits which catch the eye and Greaves could go higher than what many might think. Good value at this stage and one player we rate.

#44 Jack Ross (Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro)

Ross is an interesting player to place. He just received a State Combine invitation, but looking at his overall profile, there is not a lot of deficiencies in his game. He is consistent, a leader, uses the ball pretty well, wins clearances, goes in hard, runs both ways and just gets the job done, week-in, week-out. There are not too many State Combine invitees who get drafted in the top 50 – usually one per year on average, but Ross could be that player. His ability to play a multitude of roles through the midfield helps, and he is more readymade than most to stand up against senior bodies. A good mid-draft prospect.

#45 Zac Foot (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)

The exciting Dandenong utility has the capability to do some amazing things on the football field, he just needs to find the consistency to take the next step. Foot is a remarkable story, coming from a long way back having missed initial selection for the Stingrays, coming into the program in 2018 and then bursting out of the blocks with a strong first half of the season to earn Vic Country honours. He had a quieter second half of the season, but still had some eye-catching moments, and he knows how to run and hit the scoreboard, playing inside or out, and has a good base from which clubs can work with at the next level, and a high scope of improvement.

#46 Tyron Smallwood (Claremont/Western Australia)

Not much has been said about the classy outside midfielder/small forward, but he earned a National Draft Combine invitation and is one of the players we rate as a mid-draft prospect. He just does a lot right and is a player who while undersized, is capable of being accountable for an opponent. He kicks goals and lays tackles, and can also move through the midfield with an ability to win the footy and drive it forward. He is not as quick as other small forwards, but he has fairly good evasion skills, and his ability to execute by hand or foot is impressive. Smallwood just seems like the type of player that clubs secretly want to drop and then call it a bargain later on, because he has some very draftable qualities.


#47 James Rowbottom (Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro)

Rowbottom is the well-publicised nephew of ‘BT’ (Brian Taylor) and is another one of many inside midfielders in the draft crop. He has good speed and never takes a backwards step, being one of the top clearance midfielders in the TAC Cup. He wins it on the inside, spreads to the outside and just keeps plugging away all day long. Rowbottom needs to improve his endurance, but he has the talent to keep improving, and the dedication to make sure it happens. Another one who could easily go earlier should a club like what he has to offer, but expect him to be a mid-draft option and a player who could slide into a senior side fairly early on, with Rowbottom just needing to sharpen up his kicking a bit.

#48 Laitham Vandermeer (Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country)

Had it not been for an unfortunate sling tackle in the National Under 18 Championships, Vandermeer’s year could have been even better. To that point, the overager was looking as good as any other 1999-born player going around in the TAC Cup, and it earned him a place in Vic Country’s side. His run-and-carry, dare and dash really excited fans, and he is the type of player that just takes off and does not fear taking the game on. He wins a lot of the football and while he is predominantly an outside player, he uses his speed to also apply defensive pressure, and fiercely attacks the ball carrier. One who could go later or as a rookie, but the need for speed is great in modern football, and Vandermeer has that need in spades.

#49 Harry Reynolds (Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro)

In the back half of the season, school footballers who did not get the call-up or choose not to play TAC Cup early in the season often throw on the jumper for the final month, and Reynolds is one of those. Not too dissimilar to Nathan Murphy the year before, Reynolds is that medium-tall utility who can play anywhere on the ground. Hailing from Brighton Grammar – the same school as Murphy – Reynolds is a nice kick of the football, and just knows how to find it. He is one of those dark horses of the draft that could be plucked out early given his scope for improvement.

#52 Riley Bowman (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)

It might be a bit strange to see the big man this far down after being so high initially, but as we see every year, rucks tend to drop towards November as the reality of whether or not talls are worth taking early continues to rage. As one of only a handful of genuine ruck talents, expect Bowman to land somewhere in the second half of the draft with some nice ruck work, but will be viewed as a long-term prospect. At times had a bit of an up-and-down year, but turned it on in the TAC Cup decider and was one of the best for the Stingrays, which gave clubs a huge indication of where he might fall.


Heaps of good players there. Ely Smith looks a real prime mover mid. Some good indigenous talent too.
 
Just had my first look at Caldwell highlights. He looks good to me, has that ability that Lenny Hayes had of taking on a tackle but still able to get a good hand pass away to a player in space. I agree with BlacreJacks about preferring him over Smith. Jye looks topclass to me, and of course he will join the other players at the Saints whose first name starts with a J lol. Be great if we could somehow get Max and Jye.


Go Saints
I’d be happy with Caldwell provided we’re confident the injuries aren’t on-going. There’s some real class about this lad. This is based on sod all analysis of course,other than checking the vids of each of the top players in contention and factoring in some of the info from here and the phantom drafts.
I won’t be unhappy with any of the players in contention though. Great year to have pick 4, so many first rate choices.
 
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