List Mgmt. 2018 NAB AFL Draft: November 22nd & 23rd

[Groater]

Ok, so here are the two outcomes for the pessimists out there:
1. If we get Max King he's going to be an injury prone lumbering forward who we will unsuccessfully try to turn into a ruckman.
2. If we pass on him, he will become a superstar at another club and we'll have picked up Richie Tambling mark II.

 

[Mikka84]

Not surprised to see the rumor floating around that Carlton are heavily into Rankine.

I don't think it would be a surprise at all to see him called out with the first pick.

Think he would slot into their team beautifully.

You would assume its a matter of Walsh & Lukosius to GC. Top 3 not changed.

 

[bird_man]

What am I missing about Smith? A lot of people really like him, I must have looked at the wrong highlights package. The one I saw he looked about a level below Hunter Clark was in his draft year. Can someone link to another highlights package please. I am happy to be wrong.


Go Saints

He's the best contested ball winner in the draft. He's very clean off the deck, strong over the ball and moves well in tight traffic.

He then has the speed to break away from the stoppage, which I think is a huge bonus from a contested bull.

And despite his awkward looking kicking style he's actually got a very good kick on him.

Seems like a player that would be tough to match up on.

 

[triggering bro]

Not surprised to see the rumor floating around that Carlton are heavily into Rankine.

I don't think it would be a surprise at all to see him called out with the first pick.

Think he would slot into their team beautifully.

You would assume its a matter of Walsh & Lukosius to GC. Top 3 not changed.

Surely Carlton trade 1 for 3 & 6. Unless GC call their bluff & know they are getting Walsh anyway.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Im not saying your wrong but if your one of the 42% wanting Max with our first pick dont come on here moaning and whining that we need mids when we get flogged in the middle next season .
I would guess 95% of people on here wanted Kelly then Gaff and then Sheil , Yep we missed out on all of them and now some want a 2mtr forward , that is one massive shift on what most wanted only a few months back

 

[King_Steele]

Im not saying your wrong but if your one of the 42% wanting Max with our first pick dont come on here moaning and whining that we need mids when we get flogged in the middle next season .
I would guess 95% of people on here wanted Kelly then Gaff and then Sheil , Yep we missed out on all of them and now some want a 2mtr forward , that is one massive shift on what most wanted only a few months back

I get it but King is a clear standout pick, you take best available every time.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

He's the best contested ball winner in the draft. He's very clean off the deck, strong over the ball and moves well in tight traffic.

He then has the speed to break away from the stoppage, which I think is a huge bonus from a contested bull.

And despite his awkward looking kicking style he's actually got a very good kick on him.

Seems like a player that would be tough to match up on.

An inside mid who wins a lot of the ball , we have no place for them at StKilda.
Posessions are over-rated we just need guys who can apply pressure and kick well on the odd occasion when they get the ball.

 

[CaptainRisky]

I get it but King is a clear standout pick, you take best available every time.

Im not saying Max inst any good i just cant understand how people can change so much from wanting a mid with pace to a tall forward who will need time

 

[King_Steele]

Im not saying Max inst any good i just cant understand how people can change so much from wanting a mid with pace to a tall forward who will need time

Fair enough.

FWIW I want Smith/Caldwell but if Max is best available, I won’t be disappointed.

 

[lewdogs]

I get it but King is a clear standout pick, you take best available every time.

The best available thing can be flawed though, because it's still a lottery as to who turns out good. There is no guarantee King will make it, so doesn't it make more sense to choose a player that suits our needs?

 

[Dr Spaceman]

I'm hoping we pick up Jack Ross just to double up on the names even more.

What about Kieran Jack's brother Jack?

 

[bird_man]

Im not saying Max inst any good i just cant understand how people can change so much from wanting a mid with pace to a tall forward who will need time

I would have loved for a midfielder to fall into our lap at pick 4, but I just think King is a much better prospect than Smith, Caldwell and Rozee unfortunately.

Would love two picks in the top ten but that's really unlikely. I think we went for needs when we took Paddy in 2014 and it back fired. As hard as it is, I think we just need to go best available.

 

[Cornish]

My worry with King is that he spends 2 yrs at Sandy getting his body AFL ready, when we need ready to go mids.

 

[Magnifisaints]

Just wait until we sign Cake Jarlisle with our first pick next year!

I heard Len Bong is a good outside mid also

 

[Mikka84]

Surely Carlton trade 1 for 3 & 6. Unless GC call their bluff & know they are getting Walsh anyway.

I think GC would be just as happy with Luk & Walsh as they would with Rankine & Luk?

No need for them to entertain a trade for 1. I think they call our bluff with Rozee at 4 as well.

If King is available at 4, which is most certainly should be, I just can't see us passing him up.

 

[CaptainRisky]

I would have loved for a midfielder to fall into our lap at pick 4, but I just think King is a much better prospect than Smith, Caldwell and Rozee unfortunately.

Would love two picks in the top ten but that's really unlikely. I think we went for needs when we took Paddy in 2014 and it back fired. As hard as it is, I think we just need to go best available.

Wash your mouth out Bird

 

[Mikka84]

I would have loved for a midfielder to fall into our lap at pick 4, but I just think King is a much better prospect than Smith, Caldwell and Rozee unfortunately.

Would love two picks in the top ten but that's really unlikely. I think we went for needs when we took Paddy in 2014 and it back fired. As hard as it is, I think we just need to go best available.

Agreed. Same thoughts as you totally.

If a Walsh or Rankine fell too 4 - then I'd be over the moon. But can't see it happening and therefore can't see us passing on King. He's too talented to skip on.

 

[Drake Huggins]

riewoldt was never a very good kick and he got a little better towards the end, you wouldnt say he was a great contested marker, most of his marking was done on the lead after burning off his opponents and i will say he was a smart footballer but he did have some brain fades along the way as heath shaw will concur

Oh dear, Mr. PA. That post shows how little you saw of Riewoldt. It could be you aren't much of a judge, or perhaps your PA bias has got the better of you. I saw Riewoldt as a junior playing against men. He was special even then. As clear a number one that there has ever been. JL is not even in the same universe. When Riewoldt came to the club he was a superb field kick and a dead eye dick. His kicking for goal was unreliable at times, but overall his statistics suggest he was amongst the best in that category, for overall effectiveness.

As for the tired cliche that he marked mainly on the lead, let me set the record straight. The only better contested mark I've ever seen was another saint, Stewart Loewe, who was blessed by nature with unusually enormous hands. Riewoldt also holds the record for the most marks in the history of the comp. You can't achieve that by marking mainly "on the lead". Ask any defender who had the misfortune to play on him and they'll tell you he was one of the most complete players to ever play. My old man told me he reminded him of Whitten. A trusted SA source compared him to Barry Robran, a South Australian. I threw him in just so you might recognise a name.

We all favour our clubs' champions and underrate the opposition's. That is the confirmation bias that afflicts all supporters, the classic example being the Heath Shaw reference you plucked out. For every one of those, I'll give you a hundred where he turned or won a game for us. Riewoldt's record towers above all but a few in the game's pantheon. If your precious Tredders had been half as good as our Roo, Port would have a few more cups in the cabinet.

 

[King_Steele]

Surely Carlton trade 1 for 3 & 6. Unless GC call their bluff & know they are getting Walsh anyway.

 

[Drake Huggins]

Is this a joke? He was one of the best contested ball marker for years. Did you never watch him play? Why do you think most teams tried to double team him when he was trying to mark the ball? As for brain fades then name a footballer who never made a mistake at some time, the fact that you remember the Heath Shaw one means he obviously didn't make too many mistakes in his career. Look at his status for kicking at goal throughout his career and they were very good. He did mess up a kick for goal sometimes which looked awful but on the whole he was a very reliable kick at goal all throughout his career. Obviously you remember they failures but we also remember how many times he kicked important goals.

Maybe think things through before you make stupid comments.


Go Saints

I read this after posting mine, Brains Trust66. Sorry about my plagiarism. Great minds and all that......

 

[triggering bro]

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Gee he’s a machine. We have Cho.

 

[MrPortAdelaide]

Oh dear, Mr. PA. That post shows how little you saw of Riewoldt. It could be you aren't much of a judge, or perhaps your PA bias has got the better of you. I saw Riewoldt as a junior playing against men. He was special even then. As clear a number one that there has ever been. JL is not even in the same universe. When Riewoldt came to the club he was a superb field kick and a dead eye dick. His kicking for goal was unreliable at times, but overall his statistics suggest he was amongst the best in that category, for overall effectiveness.

As for the tired cliche that he marked mainly on the lead, let me set the record straight. The only better contested mark I've ever seen was another saint, Stewart Loewe, who was blessed by nature with unusually enormous hands. Riewoldt also holds the record for the most marks in the history of the comp. You can't achieve that by marking mainly "on the lead". Ask any defender who had the misfortune to play on him and they'll tell you he was one of the most complete players to ever play. My old man told me he reminded him of Whitten. A trusted SA source compared him to Barry Robran, a South Australian. I threw him in just so you might recognise a name.

We all favour our clubs' champions and underrate the opposition's. That is the confirmation bias that afflicts all supporters, the classic example being the Heath Shaw reference you plucked out. For every one of those, I'll give you a hundred where he turned or won a game for us. Riewoldt's record towers above all but a few in the game's pantheon. If your precious Tredders had been half as good as our Roo, Port would have a few more cups in the cabinet.

still salty from the 04 prelim, you may have been one of the ones that ran out on the ground?, in all seriousness tredrea is highly underrated but i wouldnt put him above riewoldt, im not sure where you get the idea im under rating riewoldt all im saying is that JL is the closest thing to riewoldt in the past 10 years so you wouldnt pass on him if you got the chance

 

[King_Steele]

still salty from the 04 prelim, you may have been one of the ones that ran out on the ground?, in all seriousness tredrea is highly underrated but i wouldnt put him above riewoldt, im not sure where you get the idea im under rating riewoldt all im saying is that JL is the closest thing to riewoldt in the past 10 years so you wouldnt pass on him if you got the chance

You said he was better than Roo dh.

Now **** off back to your hole rabbit.

 

[King_Steele]

Gee he’s a machine. We have Cho.

Look. Cho was really strong in the contest & that in its self, is pleasing..

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

My worry with King is that he spends 2 yrs at Sandy getting his body AFL ready, when we need ready to go mids.

We've actually got ready to go mids... they were drafted between 2011 & 2017... they've just underperformed to this point. On occasion they put it together but as horribly inconsistent in their effort and skill.

That group are now led by a guy who is a legitimate A grader and will now hopefully benefit from better coaching (strategy and development wise).

If it takes Max King 2 years to get physically ready to dominate then that will coincide nicely with our younger mids hitting their prime.