Opinion 2018 Non-Crows Discussion - Part 2: Tom Doedee, Rising Star Nominee & Port's New Major Sponsor

[Scorpus]

It doesn't need to be 1,000 fps necessarily. Even 100 fps would give 4x what we currently have. That would be a vast improvement on what they have now.

Nah it's already filmed at 60 FPS I believe or at the very least 50 FPS. Possibly even 120 FPS already as a lot of broadcast cameras can do that

The slow motion sports cameras are 500 FPS mostly

 

[Scorpus]

I read on the net that each is about USD 1,000 - 3,000 per day to hire rather than buy, and surely no camera hire company would lend a camera that is liable to be smashed by flying footballs. Also I take it that when you mention infrastructure, that means good cables to get the reams of data from the goalpost to the huge data storage solutions hidden away in the back rooms.

Lighting is also a major issue.

On top of that it also looks really weird when you sample 500 FPS footage at 50 FPS for "regular" speed due to the shutter speed being very short for the slow motion capture. The footage would look choppy and shit.

That's why we have dedicated slow motion cameras rather than having every camera capable of doing it

 

[mistylake]

I am shocked that Richmond spend most of their season at the G

Semi or a preliminary at AO v Richmond would be sweet.

 

[Markthirtytwo2]

What I find infuriating is the commercialisation of the game. All the Toyota logos everywhere and even branding on the footballs themselves.

This is overkill.

 

[GreyCrow]

The best solution is to back the umpires. Unless its a complete howler let it go. As to giving players the option of challenging the games will go an extra hour as players plead for a challenge.

Stretch the centre bounce out to 35-45 seconds if you have to do reviews . If you need longer than 30 seconds is it a howler?

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

The AFL is one giant grey area and they very rarely deal with anything properly.

Look at the 3rd man up rule in the ruck.

Easy solution: Two players can contest. Team with another player going for the ruck is penalised.

AFL's solution: Two clubs have to have a player nominate to go up for ruck. Then those players have to tell the umpire and it has to be acknowledged. If the umpire doesn't hear that nomination, then one team can't contest the ruck. Any player who nominates and is impeded by opposition players who didn't see/hear the nomination gets a free kick for obstruction.

Sledgehammer, meet nut.

In fairness to the AFL, how would you deal with a situation where Jenkins is near a throw in, Ryder engages with him (Jenkins doesn't actually do anything other than stand near where the ball is being thrown in) and McGovern comes over the top to tap the ball?

Similarly, what do you do when there is a ball up where there are no recognised ruckman attending a ball up and Sloane looks like he’s going to contest the ball up as a “ruckman”, so his opponent starts engaging with him as the opposing ruckman, only for Sloane to throw his hands up and complain he’s not contesting the ball up and is therefore being held and should receive a free kick?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Who do you think is heading there?

A package of lower picks

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

The main issue with slow motion cameras is the cameras themselves and all the infrastructure required is extremely expensive. We're talking millions of dollars per ground and even then you wouldn't be replacing every camera with a slow motion version

You're talking about doing it with all the cameras on all the grounds. Even a couple of cameras per ground would be a significant improvement on what we have now.

 

[mistylake]

Seems kind of unfair eh. Look what happened to them when they played us at OUR home ground. Not so good...

Someone ought to remind their coach about this fact.

 

[Scorpus]

You're talking about doing it with all the cameras on all the grounds. Even a couple of cameras per ground would be a significant improvement on what we have now.

There already are a couple of cameras per ground

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

There already are a couple of cameras per ground

It seems those cameras are rarely trained on the ball carrier when they are referred to for touched ball goal reviews then.

 

[mistylake]

Time for them to ditch NTUA now and choose another song, its past its use-by date (and was a horrible song choice to begin with anyway).

1 recon it will be used for the next 119 years minimum.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Someone ought to remind their coach about this fact.

Someone did. It caused an "incident".

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-30/watch-hardwick-has-altercation-with-fan

 

[Scorpus]

It seems those cameras are rarely trained on the ball carrier when they are referred to for touched ball goal reviews then.

AFL is a very fast paced game and with lots of numbers around the ball it'd be quite easy to block the slow motion cameras from a good shot

 

[mistylake]

Someone did. It caused an "incident".

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-30/watch-hardwick-has-altercation-with-fan

Did I forget to put the facetious emojis there.

 

[1970crow]

A package of lower picks

For 2 or 3?

 

[GrommoT]

To be fair, true high-speed cameras create mountains of data and are extremely expensive. At 1,000 frames a second (which is all you'd need in this context) the camera would generate roughly 1-2 gigabytes per second.

That's why those super-slow-motion visions are usually of goal celebrations and final sirens - the cameramen have a cue to start filming for a couple of seconds. The AFL and broadcasters are rich organisations. But to place these cameras (still rather bulky) on the goalposts and have them filming for 2 and a half hours waiting for a goal just wouldn't be feasible with current technology.

You would also need at least two or more at each goal end to ensure enough angles are covered in all circumstances.

 

[rocket18]

The AFL is one giant grey area and they very rarely deal with anything properly.

Look at the 3rd man up rule in the ruck.

Easy solution: Two players can contest. Team with another player going for the ruck is penalised.

AFL's solution: Two clubs have to have a player nominate to go up for ruck. Then those players have to tell the umpire and it has to be acknowledged. If the umpire doesn't hear that nomination, then one team can't contest the ruck. Any player who nominates and is impeded by opposition players who didn't see/hear the nomination gets a free kick for obstruction.

Sledgehammer, meet nut.

I am not one to defend the AFL as they make so many stupid decisions but your "simple" solution would not work.

As someone has already mentioned it would introduce a much harder set of circumstances to adjudicate with the onballers being blocked/corralled claiming their were the ruckman and weren't allowed to contest.

The umps could do the ball ups a bit quicker but I don't mind the ruck nomination process, eliminates all doubt or as you say grey area.

 

[Runnin Blue]

The AFL has options. A 2 second Google search reveals a 1080p super slo mo small form factor camera that records at 2,000fps being sold for £5,000. There are also higher resolution versions with frame rates still 500fps+.

The AFL is just an old tight arse.

 

[matty p]

In fairness to the AFL, how would you deal with a situation where Jenkins is near a throw in, Ryder engages with him (Jenkins doesn't actually do anything other than stand near where the ball is being thrown in) and McGovern comes over the top to tap the ball?

Similarly, what do you do when there is a ball up where there are no recognised ruckman attending a ball up and Sloane looks like he’s going to contest the ball up as a “ruckman”, so his opponent starts engaging with him as the opposing ruckman, only for Sloane to throw his hands up and complain he’s not contesting the ball up and is therefore being held and should receive a free kick?

Couldn't they just make it so anyone is allowed to block anyone else off the ball? The problem with the 3rd man up was that you weren't permitted to block them from contesting the ball-up, which meant they had an unimpeded run at the ball. Why shouldn't you be able to just block the 3rd man up?

 

[mistylake]

To be fair, true high-speed cameras create mountains of data and are extremely expensive. At 1,000 frames a second (which is all you'd need in this context) the camera would generate roughly 1-2 gigabytes per second.

That's why those super-slow-motion visions are usually of goal celebrations and final sirens - the cameramen have a cue to start filming for a couple of seconds. The AFL and broadcasters are rich organisations. But to place these cameras (still rather bulky) on the goalposts and have them filming for 2 and a half hours waiting for a goal just wouldn't be feasible with current technology.

Surely they can press record or have it triggered when close enough to goal. Then just dump the data if no incident of interest occurs.

 

[Scorpus]

The AFL has options. A 2 second Google search reveals a 1080p super slo mo small form factor camera that records at 2,000fps being sold for £5,000. There are also higher resolution versions with frame rates still 500fps+.

The AFL is just an old tight arse.

Small form factor cameras are unsuitable for broadcast.

Broadcast slow motion cameras are upwards of $100,000 each

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

AFL is a very fast paced game and with lots of numbers around the ball it'd be quite easy to block the slow motion cameras from a good shot

Which suggests they don't have enough of them.

 

[Scorpus]

Which suggests they don't have enough of them.

And again, they don't have many of them because they are very expensive

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Couldn't they just make it so anyone is allowed to block anyone else off the ball? The problem with the 3rd man up was that you weren't permitted to block them from contesting the ball-up, which meant they had an unimpeded run at the ball. Why shouldn't you be able to just block the 3rd man up?

I'm guessing because the AFL don't want the star on-ballers blocked out of every single ball-up, which is what would happen if blocking off the ball were allowed.