List Mgmt. 2018 St Kilda Trade Thread Part 2

[Rors]

Stop. It’s only Tuesday.

Honestly though, last year we had 5 ruckmen on our list & all of them were/are deadset shittrucks at the time.

Fast forward 12 months & our 2 prime ruckmen (Longer/Hickey) are the ones who are the worst prospects going forward

Lycett, Marshall, Pierce looks solid for the future

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Having a BJ in defense would certainly help lighten the load on our young defenders, but it would be at the expense of players development
We need to get more games into our young defenders and we can't do that if Brendan is being played ahead of them.

i disagree ... i reckon you need a senior head or two in the best 22 to help develop players so while he would take up one spot the 5 other guys will benifit more from him being there

 

[hayes]

Having a BJ in defense would certainly help lighten the load on our young defenders, but it would be at the expense of players development
We need to get more games into our young defenders and we can't do that if Brendan is being played ahead of them.

If Armo can do it I’m sure Goddard can.

 

[Ducky Tie]

Having a BJ in defense would certainly help lighten the load on our young defenders, but it would be at the expense of players development
We need to get more games into our young defenders and we can't do that if Brendan is being played ahead of them.

If it were an equation of Savage missing out and Goddard coming in then I would be on board but I suspect you are right and it would be the McKenzie/Rice types who would miss out. Still can't help but be tempted though.

 

[Premium]

You forgot Jack Riewoldt - $800K easily

Rors I don't have a clue about what money they get but how come a team with known players on big money are able to pick up one of the highest paid players in the AFL even if he drops his price a bit , surely we have tempted some star players to move to the Saints - offer Dangerfield 1.6 mill a year / they have to be working on something - Hannebery doesn't cut it - if we are going for contracted players / get Kelly top the Roos

 

[Yawkey way]

i say it on a weekly basis if we have a game where Geary has 25 possesions then we are not playing well ... thats not a dig at him but when we are playing well the ball doesnt get directed through him

He did well as a tagger but the 2 games before that where he had 25+ touches as the loose man in defence, we were ordinary. If that is BJ having 25 as the loose man, I dare say those games turn out differently.

Yes exactly, I want geary shutting people down and feeding the ball out not running past for a cheap possession.

Goddard would be a very good fit imo plus it’s a st Kilda feel good story.

 

[VDS66]

Yes to BJ. If he didn't leave us he would have been our captain now.

Would love to have him back, even if it's only for a year.

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That mark... Bitter sweet.

 

[Rors]

If we went into 2019 with something like this, how would we all feel...?

B: Geary Austin Webster
HB: Goddard Carlisle Roberton
Ruck: Lycett Hannebery Steven
C: Billings Steele Acres
HF: Gresham Battle Long
F: Lonie Bruce Membrey

Bench: Ross Clark Marshall McKenzie

Emerg: McCartin Sinclair Coffield

- Only reason I have Bruce at full forward is because his best is better than Paddys.
- Battle gets the nod at CHF as he's an aerobic beast & will explode next year I reckon

- No Newnes, no Dunstan as I suspect they'll be trade bait

 

[king rising]

You guys might scoff at this, but St Kilda could do much worse than give Jarad Waite a one year contract on minimum wage with a view to a coaching role.

He has a brilliant footy IQ and would really help your young forwards develop whilst also still being very handy himself and would chime in with goals.

I say this because I listened to Simon Lethlean speak on radio about wanting a veteran who could come in a play a role in the Luke Hodge, Jordan Lewis mould.

 

[Yawkey way]

If we went into 2019 with something like this, how would we all feel...?

B: Geary Austin Webster
HB: Goddard Carlisle Roberton
Ruck: Lycett Hannebery Steven
C: Billings Steele Acres
HF: Gresham Battle Long
F: Lonie Bruce Membrey

Bench: Ross Clark Marshall McKenzie

Emerg: McCartin Sinclair Coffield

- Only reason I have Bruce at full forward is because his best is better than Paddys.
- Battle gets the nod at CHF as he's an aerobic beast & will explode next year I reckon

- No Newnes, no Dunstan as I suspect they'll be trade bait

Sinclair is a walk up start and you forgot rankine.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Yes exactly, I want geary shutting people down and feeding the ball out not running past for a cheap possession.

Goddard would be a very good fit imo plus it’s a st Kilda feel good story.

I've always thought the Geary as a defensive forward would work really well - after his job on Isaac Smith I believe it even more.

Goddard - yes but only if Roberton doesn't get up - you get Robbo back next year, that's a 128 gamer slotted into the backline - that's a huge positive.

 

[Moral Decay]

On Brendan Goddard.
As far as list management is concerned, if he plays off the HBF it's a no from me. We have far too many HBF's already, who does he replaces out of Carlisle, Austin, Roberton, Webster, McKenzie, Geary, White, Rice, Newnes, Coffield, or Clark? All of whom play a role and would have a place.
As far as leadership and on field coaching it's also a no from me, pointing and yelling is all well and good but if it's not the coaches instructions he's conveying then he's destructive.
Of course if we are getting a new coach whose philosophies are matched by Brendan then it's a maybe.
If Brendan can play off half forward then there's a different dynamic, with so little experience forward of the ball he could add a great deal if he is willing to chase and tackle and would be a massive upgrade on Weller, though if were getting Bolton from Richmond it's a no again.

 

[Yawkey way]

I've always thought the Geary as a defensive forward would work really well - after his job on Isaac Smith I believe it even more.

Goddard - yes but only if Roberton doesn't get up - you get Robbo back next year, that's a 128 gamer slotted into the backline - that's a huge positive.

It just never made any sense to be playing our best aerobic athlete in the back pocket.

 

[boydie]

If we went into 2019 with something like this, how would we all feel...?

B: Geary Austin Webster
HB: Goddard Carlisle Roberton
Ruck: Lycett Hannebery Steven
C: Billings Steele Acres
HF: Gresham Battle Long
F: Lonie Bruce Membrey

Bench: Ross Clark Marshall McKenzie

Emerg: McCartin Sinclair Coffield

- Only reason I have Bruce at full forward is because his best is better than Paddys.
- Battle gets the nod at CHF as he's an aerobic beast & will explode next year I reckon

- No Newnes, no Dunstan as I suspect they'll be trade bait

Very much like that Rors although still feel we aint a finals side if geary is in the 22, hopefully DMAC or Coff gives us a reason for Geary to be on the outter sooner rather than later

 

[Half Back Pocket]

It is strange how a team with Rance , Martin , Cotchin , Edwards , Caddy , Prestia , Rioli , Lambert , Houli , Short , Grimes , Astbury , Grimes , Vlastiun , Graham , Butler , Castagna , Ellis , Broad and now Lynch

4 players getting at least 800k a year - how are teams fitting in these big name players / surely there cap space is stretched
take out 4 players on say 800k - 12 million = 8.8 million - surely guys like Caddy , Prestia , Edwards , Houli , Astbury , Vlastiun , Ellis would be around the 400k mark / that's another 2.4 mill - 8.8 mill = 6.4
squad of say 40 - 11 = so 29 players / 220k to divide up the rest

we could offer a few new players very big contracts - Gaff 1.5 mill , Kelly 1.5 mill - no problems

you forgot Jack! Caddy and Prestia came over on bigger wages than $400

 

[Mikka84]

Rors I don't have a clue about what money they get but how come a team with known players on big money are able to pick up one of the highest paid players in the AFL even if he drops his price a bit , surely we have tempted some star players to move to the Saints - offer Dangerfield 1.6 mill a year / they have to be working on something - Hannebery doesn't cut it - if we are going for contracted players / get Kelly top the Roos

Totally get your enthusiasm Premium - I’d love a gun FA as well. But speaking to a Player Manager a this year, one of the key things they look for is their IP. For the top 5% of players their marketability off field is as important as any pay cheque onfield.

This is why FA isn’t working. The best players from bottom teams are happy to take say a 25% pay cut in a successful big 6 team, because not only are their marketing dollars increased during tenure but also post tenure.

It absolutely sucks. But it’s why the Lynch’s of the world are choosing better sides.

How does it change? Not sure. For now though, we need to target the ones that make us a better side. I’d rather two best 22 players than nothing..

 

[Rors]

Very much like that Rors although still feel we aint a finals side if geary is in the 22, hopefully DMAC or Coff gives us a reason for Geary to be on the outter sooner rather than later

I had Rice in Geary’s spot, but that made the backline far too slow. Geary 1-1 is still better than DMac, but I like your thinking

 

[Rors]

Rors I don't have a clue about what money they get but how come a team with known players on big money are able to pick up one of the highest paid players in the AFL even if he drops his price a bit , surely we have tempted some star players to move to the Saints - offer Dangerfield 1.6 mill a year / they have to be working on something - Hannebery doesn't cut it - if we are going for contracted players / get Kelly top the Roos

Because we are shit. High end free agents at shit clubs are not going to & will never leave to come to another shit club. Won’t happen. Ever. They will go to the best fitting team up the top of the ladder

If we want high end free agents, we have to be a 5th-8th ranked Finals side first.

 

[Longmembrey]

So Goddard (BJ) wont be given a new contract. Do we go for him?

No thanks.

 

[stavro#4]

I would be all over Goddard. Some of our softies could do with his level of standards around the place.

 

[The Punter]

Because we are shit. High end free agents at shit clubs are not going to & will never leave to come to another shit club. Won’t happen. Ever. They will go to the best fitting team up the top of the ladder

If we want high end free agents, we have to be a 5th-8th ranked Finals side first.

My solution is to fix free agency so players first priority when making decisions like these is money.

Lower the FA age and significantly increase player's wages.

 

[Longmembrey]

It is strange how a team with Rance , Martin , Cotchin , Edwards , Caddy , Prestia , Rioli , Lambert , Houli , Short , Grimes , Astbury , Grimes , Vlastiun , Graham , Butler , Castagna , Ellis , Broad and now Lynch

4 players getting at least 800k a year - how are teams fitting in these big name players / surely there cap space is stretched
take out 4 players on say 800k - 12 million = 8.8 million - surely guys like Caddy , Prestia , Edwards , Houli , Astbury , Vlastiun , Ellis would be around the 400k mark / that's another 2.4 mill - 8.8 mill = 6.4
squad of say 40 - 11 = so 29 players / 220k to divide up the rest

we could offer a few new players very big contracts - Gaff 1.5 mill , Kelly 1.5 mill - no problems

They are taking the p155. They are still paying some of Deledio's contract too! If AFL are serious about equalisation & integrity, then they need to look at the off field earnings if some of the big clubs players. Take these things as an example. Hard to police, but this destroys small clubs ability to compete via the TPP system

https://www.viagogo.com/au/Theatre-...An-Evening-With-hosted-by-Dave-Hughes-Tickets

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

I would be all over Goddard. Some of our softies could do with his level of standards around the place.

Yes to Goddard and thats why. Give him the captaincy. Ross Vice captain to take over in 2 years.
Goddard would be worth it just to see him bend billings over a knee and spank his bottom when things arnt going well.
Na seriously would straighten up a few of our youngsters.
Direction and leadership is what we need.

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

They are taking the p155. They are still paying some of Deledio's contract too! If AFL are serious about equalisation & integrity, then they need to look at the off field earnings if some of the big clubs players. Take these things as an example. Hard to police, but this destroys small clubs ability to compete via the TPP system

https://www.viagogo.com/au/Theatre-...An-Evening-With-hosted-by-Dave-Hughes-Tickets

This is the exact reason afl should hand out more PP's to bottom teams every year. Between the 1st and 2nd rounds thst is. But its never been harder for bottom clubs to regenerate there lists and compete with clubs at the top for top end talent.
Ive been saying this for years.

 

[Keg on legs]

Having a BJ in defense would certainly help lighten the load on our young defenders.