2019 AFL Crowds & Ratings Thread

[Underarm]

I do not want to go in circles either but a minority of Richmond supporters brag on about them being the biggest club. And when they get reminded that there are several clubs bigger than Richmond they all get personal and go on about 100K members blah blah.

Look you won the flag 18 months ago and doing well on and off the field but going back to the topic of last night crowd yeah! had it been Blues or Bombers it would of drawn 75 to 80k.

A Carlton v Collingwood would draw 75-80k, despite the fact that Carlton have only reached 70,000 three times as the home team in the last 5 seasons? The same Carlton who averaged 31k at home games in 2018?

 

[What else we can do]

I was just going to mention this as a terrible example

That was the Collingwood centenary match which also coincided with the opening of the new Southern Stand.

It was the epitome of a special occasion and had a huge build up, fireworks and pre game lap of Carlton and Collingwood champions.

It's not a valid comparison at all...

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1992/030419920507.html

Carlton should stick to trying to compete with Collingwood, Richmond, Essendon and dare I say it Hawthorn, which in the case of home ground attendance against non big 4 opposition and club membership are leaving Carlton to dust.

Carlton is extremely fortunate that it has a number of marquee fixtures (like round 1) which has done much to feather its attendances despite a considerable slide in off field strength over the last 20 years.

Its interesting that for the 125th year anniversary game in 2017 the crowd attendance (on a much more supporter friendly Saturday Afternoon) was significantly lower then the centenary match. No doubt, despite being an extremely high drawing fixture Carlton v Collingwood no longer holds the same lure as it once did.

Whether Carlton can return to the same heights it had in the 1990's remains to be seen, certainly I never thought Richmond would (I have been proven wrong on this) but its interesting that despite having not won a final for 15 years and having a similar slide in on field fortunes Essendon has proven itself much more resilient and has been much more successful in keeping pace with Collingwood, Hawthorn and Richmond in the off field arms race.

The Carlton vs Essendon discussion is an interesting one, both have been managed terribly through the ASADA scandal and salary cap cheating yet Essendon has proven itself time and again to be a club that can generate massive crowds, grow its membership substantially and generate massive profits in spite of its incompetence. They've even be able to build their membership in spite of Docklands (which North, St Kilda, the Dogs and Carlton have all failed to do in a meaningful way).

In that way I think Richmond and Essendon are quite similar (as Richmond had a similar build up in the 2010-2016 period before their explosion following the premiership).

Carlton by comparison seems to be a club that is in a malaise.

Carlton were getting very good crowds in the period 08 to 12 even against the the so called smaller clubs as we were competitive. We outdrew Hawthorn around the same time and they were winning premierships and we were second in attendances to Collingwood.

Essendon are the masters of marketing their club good on them too! They have more marquee games than anyone and have been competitive over 15 years and have never bottom out that helps them too. They even approached Carlton for an annual good friday eve game which is not far around the corner.

Last night is a good comparison to the centenary match bothThursday night games and this was the prelim final rematch.
When have Carlton received marquee games?? Never partly our fault too.

 

[The_Wookie]

Carlton is extremely fortunate that it has a number of marquee fixtures (like round 1) which has done much to feather its attendances despite a considerable slide in off field strength over the last 20 years.

Other than round 1, please point out the "number of marquee fixtures" Carlton supposedly get

 

[The_Wookie]

A Carlton v Collingwood would draw 75-80k, despite the fact that Carlton have only reached 70,000 three times as the home team in the last 5 seasons? The same Carlton who averaged 31k at home games in 2018?

Early season, with still positive feel around, its entirely possible

2018 R3 - 68,548 (Blues H)
2017 R7 - 70,279 (Pies H)
2016 R7 - 60,222 (Pies H)
2015 R5 - 71,759 (Blues H)
2014 R5 - 68,251 (Blues H)
2013 R2 - 84,247 (Pies H)
2012 R2 - 84,259 (Blues H)
2011 R2 - 88,181 (Pies H)

 

[Rabman]

Wonder if the forecast storm in sydney will scare a few off tonight.

 

[Underarm]

Early season, with still positive feel around, its entirely possible

2018 R3 - 68,548 (Blues H)
2017 R7 - 70,279 (Pies H)
2016 R7 - 60,222 (Pies H)
2015 R5 - 71,759 (Blues H)
2014 R5 - 68,251 (Blues H)
2013 R2 - 84,247 (Pies H)
2012 R2 - 84,259 (Blues H)
2011 R2 - 88,181 (Pies H)

If Carlton have a good year (I.e 10th or higher) or beat Richmond round 1 next year then yeah you would see more crowds around what you got in 11-13. I don't think that would be this year though.

 

[Hawkk]

Carlton were getting very good crowds in the period 08 to 12 even against the the so called smaller clubs as we were competitive. We outdrew Hawthorn around the same time and they were winning premierships and we were second in attendances to Collingwood.

Essendon are the masters of marketing their club good on them too! They have more marquee games than anyone and have been competitive over 15 years and have never bottom out that helps them too. They even approached Carlton for an annual good friday eve game which is not far around the corner.

Last night is a good comparison to the centenary match bothThursday night games and this was the prelim final rematch.
When have Carlton received marquee games?? Never partly our fault too.

I’m not getting into a Hawthorn v Carlton shit fight although there is no doubt Hawthorn is significantly wealthier, has a much larger membership, significantly more revenue streams and is not as reliant on AFL subsidisation to survive but playing 4 games in Tasmania have a significant impact on home and home and away attendance.

Look no further then in 2013 to 2016 which I acknowledge was peak Hawthorn drawing power. They played 10 to 12 home and away games at the MCG per season, drew a high 50,000 / low 60,000 average to these games (including a 45,000 to 50,000 average across home games against non Victorian games) yet were drawn down by playing 4 of their 11 home games at a stadium that held 18,000.

If you look at the Tasmanian games, the same games in Melbourne would draw an average of 15,000 to 25,000 more in Melbourne (if you look at the average of 3 games played at the MCG or Docklands) which has a 80,000 to 100,000 impact on total attendances

Nonetheless my point about Carlton stands. Perhaps they might have a resurgence like Richmond but a comparison with Essendon is not valid given the strength of Essendon compared to Carlton

 

[What else we can do]

I’m not getting into a Hawthorn v Carlton shit fight although there is no doubt Hawthorn is significantly wealthier, has a much larger membership, significantly more revenue streams and is not as reliant on AFL subsidisation to survive but playing 4 games in Tasmania have a significant impact on home and home and away attendance.

Look no further then in 2013 to 2016 which I acknowledge was peak Hawthorn drawing power. They played 10 to 12 home and away games at the MCG per season, drew a high 50,000 / low 60,000 average to these games (including a 45,000 to 50,000 average across home games against non Victorian games) yet were drawn down by playing 4 of their 11 home games at a stadium that held 18,000.

If you look at the Tasmanian games, the same games in Melbourne would draw an average of 15,000 to 25,000 more in Melbourne (if you look at the average of 3 games played at the MCG or Docklands) which has a 80,000 to 100,000 impact on total attendances

Nonetheless my point about Carlton stands

Exactly 2013 to 2016 was peak hawk drawing power, and if the Blues had the same period of success in the modern era and played more games at the G not docklands then we would not be having this conversation.

 

[E92_]

Thursday night really seems to struggle for crowds. It does not really get much bigger than this game, so I’d have to think it’s a bit disappointing.

We were still able to get over 50k for our Thursday fixture last year.

 

[Rabman]

32,575 at the SCG

 

[Our Game]

32,575 at the SCG

A lot better than the 13,000 at ANZ for the RL with two Sydney teams playing

Ive also noticed that when the RL play at the SCG that the members is only half full but with the Swans matches its pretty full..

 

[Milang_Panthers]

32,575 at the SCG

19k more than the NRL game across town

 

[Milang_Panthers]

A lot better than the 13,000 at ANZ for the RL with two Sydney teams playing

Ive also noticed that when the RL play at the SCG that the members is only half full but with the Swans matches its pretty full..

Yeah that members section looked pretty packed tonight.

 

[Rabman]

Wasn't the greatest of matches so wouldn't be expecting the highest of TV numbers tomorrow.

 

[NoobPie]

Wasn't the greatest of matches so wouldn't be expecting the highest of TV numbers tomorrow.

I reckon it will still get over a million. Higher Sydney and Adelaide will compensate lower Melbourne

 

[____]

If thursday nights have to be a regular thing in the AFL, it needs to be spread out between teams and strict limit of 3 home and away games maximum and not give teams back-to-back thursday games. Also offer tickets for $10 and compensate the home team for the difference in revenue.

In the NRL the Broncos get rammed with Thursday games, the club offers "Throwback Thursday" tickets for $19.88 (the cheapest online adult ticket is $35 plus booking fee and at the gate $45 for non Thursday games, and that is if the cheapest category does not sell out).

 

[NoobPie]

631k metro FTA. Highest non news program



824k with regional and another 1m plus with Foxtel is a lock

 

[NoobPie]

248k on Foxtel so 1.072m all up

4 from 4 over a million thus far on the prime time games

 

[Cmarsh]

44252 for ess Vs st. Kilda

 

[Rabman]

41,552 at Adelaide Oval.

 

[Cmarsh]

54985 for WC Vs GWS.

 

[gopies1981]

44252 for ess Vs st. Kilda

Great crowd! If Essendon lose to Melbourne next week would hate to see how many Essendon fans turn up to their next home game and with Anzac Day only 4 weeks away we could see a half empty stadium if they are winless

 

[gopies1981]

Very good crowds this week with only Richmond and Collingwood being slight unders if what the afl would of predicted

 

[dave10]

Great crowd! If Essendon lose to Melbourne next week would hate to see how many Essendon fans turn up to their next home game and with Anzac Day only 4 weeks away we could see a half empty stadium if they are winless

It was a very strong crowd for the time slot and given poor weather. Regarding ANZAC Day I think the damage is done. I may be wrong however I suspect the fans gave them a final chance yesterday. They went along rightfully expecting a strong effort and a win. They walk away angry, confused and bewildered as to how a talented list can be so pathetic. They will get flogged by Melbourne next week (at least they had 71 forward entries - just need to sort out method). Then will struggle to pull 30,000 against the Lions the following Saturday at the MCG (could’ve been a really big crowd if Essendon were going nicely).

I believe the fan base is justifiably very angry and bewildered and this will be reflected at the gate. Yes it’s only round 2... However the supporters have had enough this time I suspect. You could sense (hear) it in the stands yesterday. It’s like Richmond all those years for Essendon. It’s a wonder they actually draw such great crowds regularly.

 

[NoobPie]

555k for metro FTA last night...top of the non-news again. Pretty healthy given the one sidedness of the two games