Analysis 2019 List, Game Plan and Best 22?

[connolly]

Also, look at West Coast's forward line. Kennedy, Darling, plus resting ruckman. Having a group of big men in the forward line gives us variety when it is dry and can always be changed when it is wet.

Except Buddy is a very different foward from the two Eagles. They are much better overhead. Buddy's great strength is his athleticism, incredible long goal kicking on the run and all round genius for a goal. Buddy needs space and would probably appreciate the ball in front of him, behind him, anywhere in to space but not on top of him with a pack of big blokes crashing down on him. Bit like Pagan's Paddock with that other great mobile forward Carey. Remember that Horse when Carey would tell you to f%$k off?

 

[WERRIDEE]

B: McVeigh, Grundy, Smith
HB: Rampe, Aliir, Mills
C: Heeney, Kennedy, Florent
HF: Papley, McCartin, Hayward
F: Ronke, Franklin, Reid
FOLL: Sinclair, Parker, Jack
IC: Hewett, Cunningham, Jones, Lloyd

 

[Skhilton14]

Except Buddy is a very different foward from the two Eagles. They are much better overhead. Buddy's great strength is his athleticism, incredible long goal kicking on the run and all round genius for a goal. Buddy needs space and would probably appreciate the ball in front of him, behind him, anywhere in to space but not on top of him with a pack of big blokes crashing down on him. Bit like Pagan's Paddock with that other great mobile forward Carey. Remember that Horse when Carey would tell you to f%$k off?

Buddy and Reid's athleticism only support the inclusion of them plus Sinclair in the forward line. Lance is likely to roam whilst Reid/Sinclair offer deep marking targets. In theory, Reid, Sinclair and Buddy shouldn't be stuck in the one spot together, but I think a lot of it depends on delivery to the forward line. Buddy roaming in space would be ideal, however, our ball movement is so stagnant that that space is consumed by the defensive structure of other teams + scg isn't huge in comparison to other grounds. I think we can easily fit all three in the forward line next year and can always adjust if we appear too top heavy.

 

[caesar88]

Also, look at West Coast's forward line. Kennedy, Darling, plus resting ruckman. Having a group of big men in the forward line gives us variety when it is dry and can always be changed when it is wet.

I think we need to resist the temptation of following the reigning premiers. The nature of the competition is that other teams will alter and adjust their line-up and their game plan to fit the mould of the previous year's premiers, and then the team that eventually goes on to win the next flag are the ones that actually challenge that status quo.

In 2016 after Hawthorn's three-peat where Roughead, Gunston, Lake, Gibson and McEvoy all dominated, all we were told is that you need tall marking targets around the ground and a multi-pronged forward line to win a flag. Then the Bulldogs came out of nowhere with a makeshift forward line and used speed and quick hands at ground level to take themselves to a flag, even if it was the worst flag ever.

This year after Richmond's flag with only one key forward and the mosquito fleet around him, it was supposed to be all about speed, and having quick and dynamic players at ground level because taller players weren't a valid source of scoring and you couldn't rely on them to dominate in the air. Well the eventual premiers in West Coast did unapologetically rely on their big blokes to win them games, more so than at ground level, and it won them a flag, and Richmond themselves were upstaged by Collingwood who dominated in the air in that prelim.

Point is our footy brains (and the dumb-asses in the media) tell us that the reigning premiers are obviously the benchmark, and it's basically whoever can match them and then beat them at their own game will win the flag. But the reality is there's no right or wrong way to win the flag, especially in this day and age where anyone could win it on the day. There's no formula to being the best team in it. Every team is different, and it's just about playing the right way that suits your list and will bring out the best in them. We can do something completely different to the Eagles if it will bring out the best in our players and make us just as dangerous but in an alternative way.

Just my opinion but I've seen a lot of this "but look at West Coast" and "but look at Collingwood" going around. Don't buy into it personally..

 

[HighReeve]

I think we need to resist the temptation of following the reigning premiers. The nature of the competition is that other teams will alter and adjust their line-up and their game plan to fit the mould of the previous year's premiers, and then the team that eventually goes on to win the next flag are the ones that actually challenge that status quo.

Who is calling for us to copy WC?

The post you are quoting with someone agreeing that Buddy, Reid and McCartin can operate in the same forward line and used WC as an example.

In 2016 after Hawthorn's three-peat where Roughead, Gunston, Lake, Gibson and McEvoy all dominated, all we were told is that you need tall marking targets around the ground and a multi-pronged forward line to win a flag.

Don't recall this in particular and if anyone was so simplistic maybe you shouldn't have been listening or agreeing with them.

all about speed, and having quick and dynamic players at ground level because taller players weren't a valid source of scoring and you couldn't rely on them to dominate in the air.

again, whos saying talls arent a "valid source" of goals and do they watch much footy?
theres more to it and im doubtful i've seen or heard anyone advocate these positions in such an extreme fashion.

 

[Skhilton14]

I think we need to resist the temptation of following the reigning premiers. The nature of the competition is that other teams will alter and adjust their line-up and their game plan to fit the mould of the previous year's premiers, and then the team that eventually goes on to win the next flag are the ones that actually challenge that status quo.

In 2016 after Hawthorn's three-peat where Roughead, Gunston, Lake, Gibson and McEvoy all dominated, all we were told is that you need tall marking targets around the ground and a multi-pronged forward line to win a flag. Then the Bulldogs came out of nowhere with a makeshift forward line and used speed and quick hands at ground level to take themselves to a flag, even if it was the worst flag ever.

This year after Richmond's flag with only one key forward and the mosquito fleet around him, it was supposed to be all about speed, and having quick and dynamic players at ground level because taller players weren't a valid source of scoring and you couldn't rely on them to dominate in the air. Well the eventual premiers in West Coast did unapologetically rely on their big blokes to win them games, more so than at ground level, and it won them a flag, and Richmond themselves were upstaged by Collingwood who dominated in the air in that prelim.

Point is our footy brains (and the dumb-asses in the media) tell us that the reigning premiers are obviously the benchmark, and it's basically whoever can match them and then beat them at their own game will win the flag. But the reality is there's no right or wrong way to win the flag, especially in this day and age where anyone could win it on the day. There's no formula to being the best team in it. Every team is different, and it's just about playing the right way that suits your list and will bring out the best in them. We can do something completely different to the Eagles if it will bring out the best in our players and make us just as dangerous but in an alternative way.

Just my opinion but I've seen a lot of this "but look at West Coast" and "but look at Collingwood" going around. Don't buy into it personally..

Richmond won the 2017 premiership with the same model they used this season and were the best side all year.

Other sides might try to figure them out but if they execute well, like they do, their system is still difficult to break down.


I was not saying that we should mimic west coasts system just because they won the premiership, but instead was just trying to provide an example of a side that had a tall forward line, often with three big forwards, that still functioned. But seeing how they were successful and how their system worked would be wise, they are obviously doing something right.

I doubt any club would exactly adopt the same system as the reigning premiers, and every club would try and develop a system that plays to their strengths , and my point was that I believe that having three tall forwards to target would be beneficial and would not make us too top heavy, as exemplified by west coast.

 

[connolly]

Buddy and Reid's athleticism only support the inclusion of them plus Sinclair in the forward line. Lance is likely to roam whilst Reid/Sinclair offer deep marking targets. In theory, Reid, Sinclair and Buddy shouldn't be stuck in the one spot together, but I think a lot of it depends on delivery to the forward line. Buddy roaming in space would be ideal, however, our ball movement is so stagnant that that space is consumed by the defensive structure of other teams + scg isn't huge in comparison to other grounds. I think we can easily fit all three in the forward line next year and can always adjust if we appear too top heavy.

Buddy is a unique talent. He is actually most dangerous on the move shooting for goal from 50-60 metres out. I dont see the advantage of parking Sinkers or Reid in the goal square. With Buddy its important to make space on a very small ground, meaning we want mobilet forwards leading out into the pockets. Its waste of Reid if ever he gets back on the paddock to play him on a half forwad flank or pocket. Significantly probably the only game Buddy was fully fit he destroyed WC on their very big home ground this year. Plenty of space and no chance for their third defender to intercept of come over the top of him. We need to create space on the forward line of the SCG not crowd it up with a bunch of big blokes.

 

[Skhilton14]

Buddy is a unique talent. He is actually most dangerous on the move shooting for goal from 50-60 metres out. I dont see the advantage of parking Sinkers or Reid in the goal square. With Buddy its important to make space on a very small ground, meaning we want mobilet forwards leading out into the pockets. Its waste of Reid if ever he gets back on the paddock to play him on a half forwad flank or pocket. Significantly probably the only game Buddy was fully fit he destroyed WC on their very big home ground this year. Plenty of space and no chance for their third defender to intercept of come over the top of him. We need to create space on the forward line of the SCG not crowd it up with a bunch of big blokes.

So we should use the same plan we had this year? Buddy with Papley, Ronke, and Hayward?

IMO that wasn’t completely successful. It was clear that lacked at least one tall marking target. Papley, Ronke, and Hawyard can’t sit at Buddy’s feet and kick those goals resulting from the ball spilling from the pack if Buddy is roaming around the 50-60 metre mark.

They can still do that if we have Reid and Sinclair in the forward line, providing us with a chance to mark and then Buddy can still roam/lead.

The amount of space we have in the forward 50 is dependant on our ball movement and structure.

There’s going to be a mandatory amount of 12 players in the forward line at each bounce and it’s gonna be that way no matter whether we have tall or short players up forward. The challenge of our coaching staff is to create a game style that can enable that space, and there a variety of different factors that contribute to that. Having Sinclair and Reid up forward will not make a difference IMO.


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[connolly]

So we should use the same plan we had this year? Buddy with Papley, Ronke, and Hayward?

IMO that wasn’t completely successful. It was clear that lacked at least one tall marking target. Papley, Ronke, and Hawyard can’t sit at Buddy’s feet and kick those goals resulting from the ball spilling from the pack if Buddy is roaming around the 50-60 metre mark.

They can still do that if we have Reid and Sinclair in the forward line, providing us with a chance to mark and then Buddy can still roam/lead.

The amount of space we have in the forward 50 is dependant on our ball movement and structure.

There’s going to be a mandatory amount of 12 players in the forward line at each bounce and it’s gonna be that way no matter whether we have tall or short players up forward. The challenge of our coaching staff is to create a game style that can enable that space, and there a variety of different factors that contribute to that. Having Sinclair and Reid up forward will not make a difference IMO.


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I agree with Sinclair being there but not Reid. Anyway he may not get on the park so this could be a bit academic

 

[Kirkswan]

According to Adam Hurley

B: Dane Rampe, Heath Grundy, Nick Smith
HB: Jake Lloyd, Aliir Aliir, Jarrad McVeigh
C: Zak Jones, Josh Kennedy, Oliver Florent
HF: Will Hayward, Sam Reid, George Hewett
F: Tom McCartin, Lance Franklin, Tom Papley
FOLL: Callum Sinclair, Luke Parker, Isaac Heeney
I/C: Callum Mills, Harry Cunningham, Ben Ronke, Lewis Melican

It will be interesting to see how coach John Longmire handles his veterans next year, especially Heath Grundy and Jarrad McVeigh in defence and Kieren Jack, who has a fight on his hands to make this team. Dane Rampe, Aliir Aliir and Lewis Melican might be preferred ahead of Grundy, but a good pre-season is likely to see him start the year, while McVeigh's body will dictate his season. Callum Sinclair in the ruck gives the team more offence than Sam Naismith, but if Sam Reid's injury worries continue, Sinclair could go forward. Callum Mills off the bench adds to the midfield rotation in place of the departed Dan Hannebery. - Adam Curley

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-20/your-clubs-best-22-for-2019

 

[BloodySwan]

According to Adam Hurley

B: Dane Rampe, Heath Grundy, Nick Smith
HB: Jake Lloyd, Aliir Aliir, Jarrad McVeigh
C: Zak Jones, Josh Kennedy, Oliver Florent
HF: Will Hayward, Sam Reid, George Hewett
F: Tom McCartin, Lance Franklin, Tom Papley
FOLL: Callum Sinclair, Luke Parker, Isaac Heeney
I/C: Callum Mills, Harry Cunningham, Ben Ronke, Lewis Melican

It will be interesting to see how coach John Longmire handles his veterans next year, especially Heath Grundy and Jarrad McVeigh in defence and Kieren Jack, who has a fight on his hands to make this team. Dane Rampe, Aliir Aliir and Lewis Melican might be preferred ahead of Grundy, but a good pre-season is likely to see him start the year, while McVeigh's body will dictate his season. Callum Sinclair in the ruck gives the team more offence than Sam Naismith, but if Sam Reid's injury worries continue, Sinclair could go forward. Callum Mills off the bench adds to the midfield rotation in place of the departed Dan Hannebery. - Adam Curley

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-20/your-clubs-best-22-for-2019

I think that's pretty close. Surprised he doesn't have Naismith in the team but otherwise that's the team I had

 

[Kirkswan]

I think that's pretty close. Surprised he doesn't have Naismith in the team but otherwise that's the team I had

Yep, me too. Mostly I think Adam gets it pretty right... but he always does his research, I reckon

 

[Number37]

According to Adam Hurley

B: Dane Rampe, Heath Grundy, Nick Smith
HB: Jake Lloyd, Aliir Aliir, Jarrad McVeigh
C: Zak Jones, Josh Kennedy, Oliver Florent
HF: Will Hayward, Sam Reid, George Hewett
F: Tom McCartin, Lance Franklin, Tom Papley
FOLL: Callum Sinclair, Luke Parker, Isaac Heeney
I/C: Callum Mills, Harry Cunningham, Ben Ronke, Lewis Melican

It will be interesting to see how coach John Longmire handles his veterans next year, especially Heath Grundy and Jarrad McVeigh in defence and Kieren Jack, who has a fight on his hands to make this team. Dane Rampe, Aliir Aliir and Lewis Melican might be preferred ahead of Grundy, but a good pre-season is likely to see him start the year, while McVeigh's body will dictate his season. Callum Sinclair in the ruck gives the team more offence than Sam Naismith, but if Sam Reid's injury worries continue, Sinclair could go forward. Callum Mills off the bench adds to the midfield rotation in place of the departed Dan Hannebery. - Adam Curley

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-20/your-clubs-best-22-for-2019

Can, & should, pick the whole team on form.

 

[Superstar swan]

If we are to significantly improve. Buddy needs to stay fit, get 18 games out of reid, kennedy returns to his best and and heeney needs to be in AA form

Hayward needs to kick 30+
Florent to average 20 disposals
Melican to stay fit

 

[Superstar swan]

Im pretty excited to watch melican and aliir form a solid partnership. With those two in the side, we can release rampe and launch forward with him

 

[Number37]

Im pretty excited to watch melican and aliir form a solid partnership. With those two in the side, we can release rampe and launch forward with him

Rampe's kicking is only average, we need a Malceski type to launch us forward.

 

[Superstar swan]

Rampe's kicking is only average, we need a Malceski type to launch us forward.

He can butcher it but he is strong enough to break a tackle and kick it long. Capable of moving the ball 60m which no one else down back can

 

[Number37]

He can butcher it but he is strong enough to break a tackle and kick it long. Capable of moving the ball 60m which no one else down back can

Breaking a tackle? What's that got to do with the price of fish'n'chips?

We need someone who can kick.

 

[RUNVS]

Can, & should, pick the whole team on form.

Longmire doesn't really do that unfortunately. If he did then Hannebery and Jack would have only played a small handful of games in 2018.

 

[Number37]

Longmire doesn't really do that unfortunately. If he did then Hannebery and Jack would have only played a small handful of games in 2018.

Who did we have at the time that was in form and available?

 

[Kirkswan]

Can, & should, pick the whole team on form.

How can you pick the whole team on form when they haven't played in over a month?

 

[sthmelb_dimmies]

According to Adam Hurley

B: Dane Rampe, Heath Grundy, Nick Smith
HB: Jake Lloyd, Aliir Aliir, Jarrad McVeigh
C: Zak Jones, Josh Kennedy, Oliver Florent
HF: Will Hayward, Sam Reid, George Hewett
F: Tom McCartin, Lance Franklin, Tom Papley
FOLL: Callum Sinclair, Luke Parker, Isaac Heeney
I/C: Callum Mills, Harry Cunningham, Ben Ronke, Lewis Melican

It will be interesting to see how coach John Longmire handles his veterans next year, especially Heath Grundy and Jarrad McVeigh in defence and Kieren Jack, who has a fight on his hands to make this team. Dane Rampe, Aliir Aliir and Lewis Melican might be preferred ahead of Grundy, but a good pre-season is likely to see him start the year, while McVeigh's body will dictate his season. Callum Sinclair in the ruck gives the team more offence than Sam Naismith, but if Sam Reid's injury worries continue, Sinclair could go forward. Callum Mills off the bench adds to the midfield rotation in place of the departed Dan Hannebery. - Adam Curley

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-20/your-clubs-best-22-for-2019

Not a single mention of any draftee.

 

[RUNVS]

Not a single mention of any draftee.

Well they haven't been drafted yet so it is hard to include them.

 

[connolly]

Rampe's kicking is only average, we need a Malceski type to launch us forward.

Its interesting that Longmire persisted in a game plan that depends so much on precise kicking out of defense when he had no one to perform that role after Malceski left? I dont consider McVeigh's dinky little 25 metre lolly pops as the equal of Malceski's 50 metre darts staright through the heart of the opposition. Basically Longmire is/was persisting in a game plan that lacked its essential ingedient. So we are waiting for Godot. Or why not re-jig the game plan that fits the skills and abilities of the players that we have got? Horses for courses Horse.

 

[Tedeski]

Rampe's kicking is only average, we need a Malceski type to launch us forward.

Ling will be the man.